U.S. House to launch Trump impeachment inquiry over Ukraine controversy

[Sujo]

13 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

No - he asked the President to cooperate with Barr's investigation - including looking into the things Biden said publicly. Sure a bit clumsy (he is Trump) , but he did not ask him to dig up dirt on Biden - he asked him to cooperate with an investigation based upon what Biden said publicly.  Or are you saying anyone who is trying to run for election in 2020 (all of them), cannot be investigated for corruption when they were in Office in 2014 ?? 

 

To save time repeating facts I suggest you read the transcript.

 

he can investigate anyone he likes, but he cannot ask a foreign govt to do it.

[Opl]

1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

Rick Perry, meet bus.

 

Secretary Perry, who will resign by the end of the year, spent considerable time in Ukraine, even pushing hard for his friends (and Trump donors) to join the boards of Ukranian energy companies, like Naftogaz.

 

 

Trump told House Republicans that he made Ukraine call because of Perry: Report

 

Trump told fellow party members "not a lot of people know this but, I didn't even want to make the call," a source who was on the call told the news outlet.

 

"The only reason I made the call was because Rick asked me to. Something about an LNG [liquified natural gas] plant," Trump added. 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464518-trump-told-house-republicans-that-he-made-ukraine-call-because-of

 

Ok, so, and who for the same request Trump made to UK, Australia , China… ? 

[mtls2005]

5 minutes ago, Opl said:

Ok, so, and who for the same request Trump made to UK, Australia , China… ? 

 

Is Wilbur Ross too old to throw under the bus?

 

The president seems intent on taking everyone down with him.

[AussieBob18]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

One can disagree about what to do, but denying facts and at the same time subscribing to conspiracy theories and take Trump's words for gospel?

 

Posts like this, reasoning like this I really can not comprehend.

Read the transcript:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

 

Here is the best part:

 

Trump: … I just want to let you know that’s the other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it … It sounds horrible to me.

 

President Zelenskyy: I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all, I understand and I’m knowledgeable about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament; the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved, by the parliament and will start as a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look into the situation, specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue. The issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so we will take care of.that and will wortk on the investigation of the case.

 

You are being lied to. I can prove it - indirectly.  Go to Google. Type in 'Trump Transcript Ukraine'.  Note that all the responses you get will be left-wing media organisations stating (basically) Trump should be impeached.  Pages and pages with very few Pro-Trump views - and no transcript of the call.  But go to any Pro-Trump media site and there is the transcript - full and complete.  Now look at the people Trump has sacked like Comey, Clapper, Brennan - they are all on those same left-wing media sites (CNN, NYT, Wapo, etc etc).  Surely, unless Trump was an absolute mafia criminal, there would be both views in the media?  There was about Obama.  But even after 2 years of Mureller there are no charges.  As even Don Lemon himself said (off camera) about Russia it is all a beat up a nothing burger.  If anything the call was a minor infraction - certainly not as bad as Obama's "Tell Putin that after the election I will have more flexibility".  What are the Dems trying to hide by stiring up such rubbish and hatred based on a minor phone call??   I have told you already - they are corrupt and they want his investigations stopped.  They have committed political suicide and unless Trump is found guilty and removed - he will utterly destroy them.  The Dems have committed political suicide.  The GOP will do the same as the Dems did for Clinton - the Senate will reject whatever the Dems in the House say.  There are 53 GOP and 45 Dems in Senate - 2 Independents. A few GOPs may vote with Dems - but not enough. If however Trump is impeached and the Senate agrees, then the outcome in terms of the civil society in USA will be catastrophic.  What Antifa have done will be nothing copmpared to what the alt-right will do.  The best outcome from impeachment is nothing and then the 2020 elections - let the People decide. 

 

Gotta go - golf - later.

 

 

 

 

  

[mtls2005]

1 minute ago, AussieBob18 said:

You are being lied to. I can prove it - indirectly. 

 

By whom, exactly?

 

Indirectly?

 

Is it just us who are being lied to? Are you being lied to, too? Where does it end?

 

Paranoia is a terrible thing. It leads one to post overly long, consipiracy-laden drivel which reflects poorly on the poster.

 

2 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

Go to Google. Type in 'Trump Transcript Ukraine'. 

 

Ah, the Deep State/Tech censorship trope. All the rage on Breitbart I'd imagine?

 

 

 

[canuckamuck]

What people on the left fail to realize is that there is almost no neutral news anymore. The mainstream news is totally biased, and 90% is saying exactly the same things. But to be fair, the right wing sources are also biased, some heavily, so you do have to sort out what is agenda driven and what is just information. you need to see what both sides are saying and look at the evidence they show you.

Those of you that only trust the main stream are missing a lot of information. Perhaps this why you are so surprised when all these impeachment attempts turn to dust. It is all the stuff they aren't telling you that makes you believe them.  But missing that info makes you uninformed.

Edited October 6, 2019 by canuckamuck

[mtls2005]

6 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Those of you that only trust the main stream are missing a lot of information.

I routinely sample the RW media (internet and Fox), until the vomit in my throat starts to overwhelm me.

 

I am interested in hearing today's RW talking points.

 

6 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Perhaps this why you are so surprised when all these impeachment attempts turn to dust.

So there's nothing to worry about? Just sit back and wait for the dust to settle. 

 

6 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

It is all the stuff they aren't telling you that makes you believe them.

What stuff? Who is "they"? Honestly, your sentence makes litle sense.

 

6 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

But missing that info makes you uninformed.

Thank you for the definition of "uninformed". Brilliant. I could never get that one until you explained it.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2019 by mtls2005

[Tippaporn]

30 minutes ago, Sujo said:

To save time repeating facts I suggest you read the transcript.

 

he can investigate anyone he likes, but he cannot ask a foreign govt to do it.

False.

 

Per the New York Post:

 

Sorry, Dems: It’s OK to ask for foreign help in a criminal justice investigation

[Tippaporn]

22 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

Read the transcript:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

 

Here is the best part:

 

Trump: … I just want to let you know that’s the other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it … It sounds horrible to me.

 

President Zelenskyy: I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all, I understand and I’m knowledgeable about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament; the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved, by the parliament and will start as a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look into the situation, specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue. The issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so we will take care of.that and will wortk on the investigation of the case.

 

You are being lied to. I can prove it - indirectly.  Go to Google. Type in 'Trump Transcript Ukraine'.  Note that all the responses you get will be left-wing media organisations stating (basically) Trump should be impeached.  Pages and pages with very few Pro-Trump views - and no transcript of the call.  But go to any Pro-Trump media site and there is the transcript - full and complete.  Now look at the people Trump has sacked like Comey, Clapper, Brennan - they are all on those same left-wing media sites (CNN, NYT, Wapo, etc etc).  Surely, unless Trump was an absolute mafia criminal, there would be both views in the media?  There was about Obama.  But even after 2 years of Mureller there are no charges.  As even Don Lemon himself said (off camera) about Russia it is all a beat up a nothing burger.  If anything the call was a minor infraction - certainly not as bad as Obama's "Tell Putin that after the election I will have more flexibility".  What are the Dems trying to hide by stiring up such rubbish and hatred based on a minor phone call??   I have told you already - they are corrupt and they want his investigations stopped.  They have committed political suicide and unless Trump is found guilty and removed - he will utterly destroy them.  The Dems have committed political suicide.  The GOP will do the same as the Dems did for Clinton - the Senate will reject whatever the Dems in the House say.  There are 53 GOP and 45 Dems in Senate - 2 Independents. A few GOPs may vote with Dems - but not enough. If however Trump is impeached and the Senate agrees, then the outcome in terms of the civil society in USA will be catastrophic.  What Antifa have done will be nothing copmpared to what the alt-right will do.  The best outcome from impeachment is nothing and then the 2020 elections - let the People decide. 

 

Gotta go - golf - later.

  

See Project Veritas' recent video of Google whistle blower showing how Google has tailored their search algorithms to promote certain content and attempt to hide other content.  The big tech companies are in league with the MSM.  They're all liberals.

[Opl]

24 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

What people on the left fail to realize is that there is almost no neutral news anymore. The mainstream news is totally biased, and 90% is saying exactly the same things. But to be fair, the right wing sources are also biased, some heavily, so you do have to sort out what is agenda driven and what is just information. you need to see what both sides are saying and look at the evidence they show you.

Those of you that only trust the main stream are missing a lot of information. Perhaps this why you are so surprised when all these impeachment attempts turn to dust. It is all the stuff they aren't telling you that makes you believe them.  But missing that info makes you uninformed.

Just listen to Trump's narrative. It's not a matter of disinformation, it's a matter of understanding why something Trump does is perfectly OK to his followers while it would be totally unbearable coming from someone else. That he has been given such a free pass as a populist in a nation like the USA is a matter of astonishment, to say the least.  

Edited October 6, 2019 by Opl

[Tippaporn]

21 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

. . . . 

Ah, the Deep State/Tech censorship trope. All the rage on Breitbart I'd imagine?

. . . .

See my post above.  Not a conspiracy theory but fact.

[canuckamuck]

19 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

I routinely sample the RW media (internet and Fox), until the vomit in my throat starts to overwhelm me.

 

I am interested in hearing today's RW talking points.

 

So there's nothing to worry about? Just sit back and wait for the dust to settle. 

 

What stuff? Who is "they"? Honestly, your sentence makes litle sense.

 

Thank you for the definition of "uninformed". Brilliant. I could never get that one until you explained it.

 

 

 

 

 

Another multinested post, very hard to reply to. Perhaps you should find a new way.

You say you listen to Fox and other right wing sources. Do you though, do you try to see what they are saying? Or are you just fueling your outrage by looking for things that prove your bias?

You say you are interested in the RW talking points. How about the real story, are you interested in that?

They is the MSM, a more intelligent person would have seen that the main stream was the object of the paragraph. Stuff is a common word used when there are too many variables to be efficiently specific, I am sure if you tried hard you could understand from the context what is meant.

 

The last statement is progress. I guess if I make it really obvious you do understand. Although you don't seem grateful.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, AussieBob18 said:

Think a little deeper.  The Dems/Swamp are corrupt and have been hiding behind wall. Trump is going to smash down the wall (while building his own) and Trump is bent on destroying them (Dems/Swamp).  The good guys are winning.  

Does that help you understand the analogy? Maybe use an older situation?  

The Allies (Trump and Ukraine) are coming and they are going to destroy the Nazis (Dems/Swamp).

MacArthur? Lincoln? Wellington? 

 

 

 

OK, you’ve introduced the Nazis already.

Go take a rest now.

[Scott]

Inflammatory post reported and removed along with supplies.  

 

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

Read the transcript:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

 

Here is the best part:

 

Trump: … I just want to let you know that’s the other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it … It sounds horrible to me.

 

President Zelenskyy: I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all, I understand and I’m knowledgeable about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament; the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved, by the parliament and will start as a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look into the situation, specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue. The issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so we will take care of.that and will wortk on the investigation of the case.

 

You are being lied to. I can prove it - indirectly.  Go to Google. Type in 'Trump Transcript Ukraine'.  Note that all the responses you get will be left-wing media organisations stating (basically) Trump should be impeached.  Pages and pages with very few Pro-Trump views - and no transcript of the call.  But go to any Pro-Trump media site and there is the transcript - full and complete.  Now look at the people Trump has sacked like Comey, Clapper, Brennan - they are all on those same left-wing media sites (CNN, NYT, Wapo, etc etc).  Surely, unless Trump was an absolute mafia criminal, there would be both views in the media?  There was about Obama.  But even after 2 years of Mureller there are no charges.  As even Don Lemon himself said (off camera) about Russia it is all a beat up a nothing burger.  If anything the call was a minor infraction - certainly not as bad as Obama's "Tell Putin that after the election I will have more flexibility".  What are the Dems trying to hide by stiring up such rubbish and hatred based on a minor phone call??   I have told you already - they are corrupt and they want his investigations stopped.  They have committed political suicide and unless Trump is found guilty and removed - he will utterly destroy them.  The Dems have committed political suicide.  The GOP will do the same as the Dems did for Clinton - the Senate will reject whatever the Dems in the House say.  There are 53 GOP and 45 Dems in Senate - 2 Independents. A few GOPs may vote with Dems - but not enough. If however Trump is impeached and the Senate agrees, then the outcome in terms of the civil society in USA will be catastrophic.  What Antifa have done will be nothing copmpared to what the alt-right will do.  The best outcome from impeachment is nothing and then the 2020 elections - let the People decide. 

 

Gotta go - golf - later.

 

 

 

 

  

Thanks for making my point: denying proven facts and believing conspiracy theories.

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

False.

 

Per the New York Post:

 

Sorry, Dems: It’s OK to ask for foreign help in a criminal justice investigation

Did you actually read the link?

 

It does not say asking the ukraine govt was legal. It talks about an investigation into the mueller probe. Completely different thing.

 

You really are clutching at straws. Even the great defender tucker carlson says its illegal. His only argument now is that its not bad enough tonget him impeached.

[chokrai]

The Democrats are trying to impeach Trump for trying to expose a crime and then elect the person who committed the crime. 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, chokrai said:

The Democrats are trying to impeach Trump for trying to expose a crime and then elect the person who committed the crime. 

Yeah, I'm sure that 45 fans will buy that ridiculous narrative of what's actually happening. But nobody else. Sorry, the hard core 45 base (OK for 45 to shoot people on 5th Avenue) represents 35 percent at best.

Edited October 6, 2019 by Jingthing

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, chokrai said:

The Democrats are trying to impeach Trump for trying to expose a crime and then elect the person who committed the crime. 

It was already investigated and no crime was found.

 

He is being impeached because he asked a foreign govt to re open an investigation for political gain. Which is illegal.

 

He didnt ask for any other investigation, only on biden.

[chokrai]

7 minutes ago, Sujo said:

It was already investigated and no crime was found.

 

He is being impeached because he asked a foreign govt to re open an investigation for political gain. Which is illegal.

 

He didnt ask for any other investigation, only on biden.

Investigation into Biden has just started. Not illegal to ask a foreign govt to look into corruption does not matter who it is. Biden does not get a pass this time because he is a Democrat. 

[champers]

Hunter Biden was a business partner of John Kerry's stepson with "interests" in China. Seems the Dems have opened up a can of worms for themselves.

[Sujo]

12 minutes ago, chokrai said:

Investigation into Biden has just started. Not illegal to ask a foreign govt to look into corruption does not matter who it is. Biden does not get a pass this time because he is a Democrat. 

He did not ask him to do that. He asked him to investigate biden, as a political foe that is illegal. He should have just asked his own agencies to do that.

[Jingthing]

Hunter Biden was a business partner of John Kerry's stepson with "interests" in China. Seems the Dems have opened up a can of worms for themselves.

Is Hunter Biden or John Kerry running for president in. 2020?
You want a much bigger vein of corruption?
That would be the business dealings of 45's family including Jared.

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[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, champers said:

Hunter Biden was a business partner of John Kerry's stepson with "interests" in China. Seems the Dems have opened up a can of worms for themselves.

You think its ok for trump to ask china to investigate a US citizen? You would believe what china says?

 

Hunter Biden has not been found to have done anything wrong. If they start this caper then trumps kids are in for a tough time.

[champers]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Is Hunter Biden or John Kerry running for president in. 2020?
You want a much bigger vein of corruption?
That would be the business dealings of 45's family including Jared.

Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

My point is that feathering the family nest is not unique to any single political entity. The biter can be bitten back.

[Tippaporn]

17 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Well there are always these ...

 

 

I don't know why you posted that, Jingthing.  Kellyanne Conway destroyed Chuck Todd.

[Tippaporn]

15 hours ago, Jingthing said:

. . . .

 

THE ROUGH transcript of President Trump’s July 25 phone call . . . .

The NYT reports, "the reconstructed transcript," the Guardian reports, "the reconstituted transcript," and WAPO reports, "the rough transcript."

 

Which is it?

 

Just making the point that all three outlets purposely use an adjective to give the appearance of fact that it wasn't the full and complete transcript.  Willingly and knowingly reporting falsely.

[Tippaporn]

6 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Rick Perry, meet bus.

 

Secretary Perry, who will resign by the end of the year, spent considerable time in Ukraine, even pushing hard for his friends (and Trump donors) to join the boards of Ukranian energy companies, like Naftogaz.

 

 

Trump told House Republicans that he made Ukraine call because of Perry: Report

 

Trump told fellow party members "not a lot of people know this but, I didn't even want to make the call," a source who was on the call told the news outlet.

 

"The only reason I made the call was because Rick asked me to. Something about an LNG [liquified natural gas] plant," Trump added. 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464518-trump-told-house-republicans-that-he-made-ukraine-call-because-of

 

LOL.  The article quotes what Trump supposedly said to "fellow party members" but names no one that was addressed.  The source for the quote is unnamed.  And then the article states that text messages between White House officials and former Zelensky aide Andrey Yermak were released earlier this week and that "None of the messages suggest that Perry was the reason behind Trump's phone call."

[candide]

5 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

No - he asked the President to cooperate with Barr's investigation - including looking into the things Biden said publicly. Sure a bit clumsy (he is Trump) , but he did not ask him to dig up dirt on Biden - he asked him to cooperate with an investigation based upon what Biden said publicly.  Or are you saying anyone who is trying to run for election in 2020 (all of them), cannot be investigated for corruption when they were in Office in 2014 ?? 

 

Giuliani is not part of the DOJ. There is no official investigation on Biden, according to Barr himself. He also declared he never talked with Trump about it (ok, he may be lying).

[stevenl]

24 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The NYT reports, "the reconstructed transcript," the Guardian reports, "the reconstituted transcript," and WAPO reports, "the rough transcript."

 

Which is it?

 

Just making the point that all three outlets purposely use an adjective to give the appearance of fact that it wasn't the full and complete transcript.  Willingly and knowingly reporting falsely.

Appearances are right, it was not the full transcript.