4675636b596f75 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Sujo said: people wont need the senate to tell them he is a corrupt traitor. How is he a traitor? I'm guessing you will fuss and moan but never provide an answer. Go ahead, I'll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 From Japan's Kyodo News: Ukraine president denies being pushed by Trump to investigate Biden President Zelensky was interviewed in Kyiv by the first foreign news media outlet, reported by them on the 6th. President Zelensky again confirms no quid pro quo. He also reconfirms that he had no discussions with U.S. special envoy for Ukraine, Kurt Volker, regarding a Biden investigation as a condition for his visit to the United States. He further goes on to say he would never accept such a condition. Very interesting as well is that he stated that constitutionally he cannot order Ukraine's prosecution and investigative authorities to launch an investigation. Again, here's the liberal logic: The guy that Trump supposedly extorted claims he was not extorted but we'll charge Trump with extortion anyway. And these people truly believe that a House impeachment inquiry is viable? What's the holdup, Nancy? Let's go!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: From Japan's Kyodo News: Ukraine president denies being pushed by Trump to investigate Biden President Zelensky was interviewed in Kyiv by the first foreign news media outlet, reported by them on the 6th. President Zelensky again confirms no quid pro quo. He also reconfirms that he had no discussions with U.S. special envoy for Ukraine, Kurt Volker, regarding a Biden investigation as a condition for his visit to the United States. He further goes on to say he would never accept such a condition. Very interesting as well is that he stated that constitutionally he cannot order Ukraine's prosecution and investigative authorities to launch an investigation. Again, here's the liberal logic: The guy that Trump supposedly extorted claims he was not extorted but we'll charge Trump with extortion anyway. And these people truly believe that a House impeachment inquiry is viable? What's the holdup, Nancy? Let's go!!! That's it, shut the inquiry down , no case, we all know that Zelensky would not lie about these things, as he said he would never!! do anything like that, and would never try to do anything not allowed under the Ukrainian constitution Furthermore I think trump need to apologise to the Ukrainian people for calling Ukraine a corrupt country . How could a country with such a moral president be corrupt? I love trump supporters they have such firm grasp on reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Posts with unsubstantiated claims, claims from unapproved sources and troll posts along with replies removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Eric Loh said: 4 hours ago, RideJocky said: That more people want the dems to move ahead with the proceedings does not mean they think Trump is guilty. Explain. For one, moving ahead v.a.v. a vote to initiate proceedings, would give Republicans subpoena power for their own witnesses. Right now the dems hold better subpoena power because of the Republicans throwing caution to the wind in the previous house. Just the usual partisan skulduggery and muckraking as per normal. https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-07/subpoena-power-republicans-want-house-vote-impeachment-inquiry-pelosi-doesnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Tippaporn said: From Japan's Kyodo News: Ukraine president denies being pushed by Trump to investigate Biden President Zelensky was interviewed in Kyiv by the first foreign news media outlet, reported by them on the 6th. President Zelensky again confirms no quid pro quo. He also reconfirms that he had no discussions with U.S. special envoy for Ukraine, Kurt Volker, regarding a Biden investigation as a condition for his visit to the United States. He further goes on to say he would never accept such a condition. Very interesting as well is that he stated that constitutionally he cannot order Ukraine's prosecution and investigative authorities to launch an investigation. Again, here's the liberal logic: The guy that Trump supposedly extorted claims he was not extorted but we'll charge Trump with extortion anyway. And these people truly believe that a House impeachment inquiry is viable? What's the holdup, Nancy? Let's go!!! Did u miss the point that trump simply asking is illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Tippaporn said: From Japan's Kyodo News: Ukraine president denies being pushed by Trump to investigate Biden President Zelensky was interviewed in Kyiv by the first foreign news media outlet, reported by them on the 6th. President Zelensky again confirms no quid pro quo. He also reconfirms that he had no discussions with U.S. special envoy for Ukraine, Kurt Volker, regarding a Biden investigation as a condition for his visit to the United States. He further goes on to say he would never accept such a condition. Very interesting as well is that he stated that constitutionally he cannot order Ukraine's prosecution and investigative authorities to launch an investigation. Again, here's the liberal logic: The guy that Trump supposedly extorted claims he was not extorted but we'll charge Trump with extortion anyway. And these people truly believe that a House impeachment inquiry is viable? What's the holdup, Nancy? Let's go!!! Here's the Real Politic logic: Ukraine can't stand alone against Russia. That's why the government tried to ingratiate itself to Hillary Clinton when it thought she would win, then did an about face to ingratiate itself to Trump when he won. That's why President Zelensky will deny the obvious when asked about his conversation with Trump. To everyone else, Trump answering a request for military assistance with "I want you to do us a favor though" is as obvious as "You're going to sleep with the fishes". Perhaps Trump supporters think "sleep with the fishes" means an aquarium in the bedroom. Also, as noted, Trump simply asking any foreigner for an investigation that would help his political campaign, and his people asking for a public announcement of such an investigation, is illegal. If he had offered to pay for such an investigation using campaign money, not taxpayer money, that would have been different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 hours ago, 4675636b596f75 said: How is he a traitor? I'm guessing you will fuss and moan but never provide an answer. Go ahead, I'll wait. Standing in the oval office telling russians classified info that israel was not all all happy with as it disclosed how they got the info. telling the world that he believes putin over his own intelligence agencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 "Impeachment joke": Jim Jordan goes off On Democrats Push To Impeach President Trump. Why will Schiff not release Volker's transcript? Because it'll destroy the Dem's narrative. What is Schiff trying to hide? Why did he lie about not having prior contact with the whistle blower? Schiff is now a fact witness and must recuse himself. Why is Schiff cherry picking only parts of Volker's testimony? Republicans convey some of Volker's testimony which Schiff refuses to release in full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Inflammatory post and reply removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 A post not related to the Ukraine controversy has been removed as well as a reply. Please do not try to hijack the topic to discussion of another controversial case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Those Trump haters at FOX NEWS did a survey. Not looking good for him. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-record-support-for-trump-impeachment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, pegman said: Those Trump haters at FOX NEWS did a survey. Not looking good for him. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-record-support-for-trump-impeachment Polls are useless. Where is the guarantee that the random respondents were equally republican and democrat? Remember, Hillary was projected to win by a margin of 70% to 90%. People can, if they choose, believe that polls are an accurate reflection of the true support for impeachment or not. Polls are useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: Polls are useless. Where is the guarantee that the random respondents were equally republican and democrat? Remember, Hillary was projected to win by a margin of 70% to 90%. People can, if they choose, believe that polls are an accurate reflection of the true support for impeachment or not. Polls are useless. I would be very interested in seeing a link that shows Clinton was projected to win by 70-90%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, pegman said: I would be very interested in seeing a link that shows Clinton was projected to win by 70-90%. Easy to find via Googling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, Tippaporn said: Easy to find via Googling. Good, then if shouldn't be hard for you to provide it. But of course you won't because it was madeup nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RideJocky Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Here's the Real Politic logic: Ukraine can't stand alone against Russia. That's why the government tried to ingratiate itself to Hillary Clinton when it thought she would win, then did an about face to ingratiate itself to Trump when he won. That's why President Zelensky will deny the obvious when asked about his conversation with Trump. To everyone else, Trump answering a request for military assistance with "I want you to do us a favor though" is as obvious as "You're going to sleep with the fishes". Perhaps Trump supporters think "sleep with the fishes" means an aquarium in the bedroom. Also, as noted, Trump simply asking any foreigner for an investigation that would help his political campaign, and his people asking for a public announcement of such an investigation, is illegal. If he had offered to pay for such an investigation using campaign money, not taxpayer money, that would have been different.Would not anything he asked of a foreign leader (or anyone) that benefits the country help his campaign? I think there are a lot of people that believe that if we’re going to have the President under a microscope year after year we ought to puts his opponents under a microscope as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, pegman said: Good, then if shouldn't be hard for you to provide it. But of course you won't because it was madeup nonsense. It's silly to ask posters to provide links to information that any poster could easily obtain themselves, especially a fact which is overwhelmingly common knowledge. And it's completely dishonest to make the accusation that because the poster didn't provide a link to the information that it's "made-up nonsense." I've tried many, many times to point out and explain in detail the many deceitful tactics posters use to discredit, and then disparage as well, other posters. I want posters to understand the tricks which are employed against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 28 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: Polls are useless. Where is the guarantee that the random respondents were equally republican and democrat? Remember, Hillary was projected to win by a margin of 70% to 90%. People can, if they choose, believe that polls are an accurate reflection of the true support for impeachment or not. Polls are useless. If the poll sampled republicans and democrats equally it would have been useless since there are more registered democrats than republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: It's silly to ask posters to provide links to information that any poster could easily obtain themselves, especially a fact which is overwhelmingly common knowledge. And it's completely dishonest to make the accusation that because the poster didn't provide a link to the information that it's "made-up nonsense." I've tried many, many times to point out and explain in detail the many deceitful tactics posters use to discredit, and then disparage as well, other posters. I want posters to understand the tricks which are employed against them. Repeatedly the mods have ruled that it's incumbent upon people making claims to back them up and not ask others to do it. It's obviously dishonorable to ask others to do your homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 John Solomon: "This is a significant shift in the factual timeline. This is information that is omitted from the whistle blower complaint." Another monkey wrench thrown into the gears corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 34 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: Polls are useless. Where is the guarantee that the random respondents were equally republican and democrat? Remember, Hillary was projected to win by a margin of 70% to 90%. People can, if they choose, believe that polls are an accurate reflection of the true support for impeachment or not. Polls are useless. Polls are useless unless it is a Fox poll and they still told the same numbers overwhelming supporting the impeachment inquiry and even want him impeached. Even more than half of Fox polls disapproved on how he perform. Ouch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, bristolboy said: Repeatedly the mods have ruled that it's incumbent upon people making claims to back them up and not ask others to do it. It's obviously dishonorable to ask others to do your homework. Poster 1: Trump is president. Poster 2: Prove it. Where's the link??? When something is absolute common knowledge it becomes silly to demand links to prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, RideJocky said: Would not anything he asked of a foreign leader (or anyone) that benefits the country help his campaign? I think there are a lot of people that believe that if we’re going to have the President under a microscope year after year we ought to puts his opponents under a microscope as well. No. Nobody has made an issue of Trump asking foreign leaders to buy more US goods or military equipment. Nobody has made an issue of him asking NATO allies to spend more on defense. However in this case Trump asked President Zelensky to investigate a discredited, years old conspiracy theory, made it clear how he wanted the investigation to turn out, and held up $400 million of military aid to motivate President Zelensky. To gain maximum electoral advantage, Trump's people prepared a letter asking Zelensky to publicly announce the investigation. Trump fans are desperately trying to blind themselves to the obvious, but it is clear that Trump was abusing the power of the Presidency for electoral gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: Even more than half of Fox polls disapproved on how he perform. Half of Fox polls? Where's the link proving that? See how silly it gets? I could then spend all day asking posters to verify each and every statement they make. This took me less than one minute to find: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-results-october-6-8-2019 See how lazy at best and dishonest at worst it is not to be prepared to back up one's assertion with evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, bristolboy said: This took me less than one minute to find: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-results-october-6-8-2019 See how lazy at best and dishonest at worst it is not to be prepared to back up one's assertion with evidence? Then you should have linked to it when you made the claim instead of making the claim without providing a link. Remember, someone said it's incumbent upon the poster to provide links to claims they make in their post. Well, you had failed to do that. So much silliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, Tippaporn said: Then you should have linked to it when you made the claim instead of making the claim without providing a link. Remember, someone said it's incumbent upon the poster to provide links to claims they make in their post. Well, you had failed to do that. So much silliness. I wrote you should be prepared if challenged. You don't have to offer the evidence without being asked. But if you are asked you should have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Tippaporn said: I won't engage in your endless bickering, heybruce. Translation--The facts are indisputable and logic irrefutable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Off topic posts and replies about the 2016 election results have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Fox News Poll: Record support for Trump impeachment https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-record-support-for-trump-impeachment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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