Fury of Brexit 'inferno' lays bare a divided United Kingdom

[Forethat]

2 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

In quite some countries the president is elected out of many candidates. When one candidate has 50%+1 of the votes, he/she is elected in the first round. If not, nr 1 + 2 are in the next round.

Why this could not be done for a Brexit / leave versus remain vote  ?  Or are the British so … they cannot select out of more as two options ? 

When in your option, nr 2 = Leave would have won, but.. split over 3 alternatives, it would be the job of the negociators to find a "new deal" the mayority could accept.

And if not.. in the second referendum which deal is prefered. If then any deal presented would be rejected, as the consequences were seen as too high, still option 1) would be feft .

Floats my boat!

[soalbundy]

3 hours ago, JamesBlond said:

You haven't noticed all the conflict? You haven't noticed that the multicultural brainwashing agenda has being forced down our throats for decades now? - I guess some people have swallowed it whole and actually think it is a fine thing, though of course it is now taboo even to hint that there might be anything wrong with it.

National and traditional values and culture is under threat in many countries - the UK, Sweden, Holland, France... what do you think the yellow-shirt movement is really all about in France? So many immigrants that local culture has been diluted and they constitute a political force of their own that agitates for even more multiculturalism - anything that brings down the indigenous culture is fine by them because it makes them feel more secure. There is an active, concerted campaign going on by leftists (immigrants and bleeding-hearts) to destroy western culture. Ordinary people have had enough and Brexit is one symptom. The situation is already beyond repair, but the EU needs to be dismantled as a matter of priority before it gets any worse.

 

I don't understand your rope analogy in this context. Nations can be allied in all sorts of ways, but the attempt to homogenise the entire European population - for this is the covert agenda of multiculturalism - will be disastrous.

 

All a question of demographics, if a population's young people can't afford to have children (look at the cost of housing in the Western countries) then you have to rely on immigration from countries who do reproduce otherwise all your social services and industry will collapse, who is going to pay your pensions when fewer and fewer young people are working and paying into the pension fonds ? You can't encourage young people to have say 3 children when two wage earners are needed just to keep a roof over their heads, immigration would seem to be the only answer, even Japan who is staunchly against any watering down of the national gene pool has come around to this way of thinking, China has relaxed its one child policy but young families aren't having more children, it's unaffordable.

[SheungWan]

What then, if after your second referendum a government is elected on a pledge to take the UK out of the EU?
 
Do we ignore the result of the referendum or ignore the mandate of the new government?

There is no 'we'. An interesting parlour game, but the action is in the here and now. Deflecting off into 'what-ifs' often something Hard Brexiteers do when things are not going too well in the real world.

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[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, yogi100 said:

 

I do believe the LibDems have said that if we do vote to leave again they still won't accept it.

 

It's not not cheap to have a referendum. The one in 2016 cost the tax payer 130 million quid.

And how much all discussions etc did the taxpayer cost after that referendum ?

Not the last, the drop in value of the GBP, with means all imports cost a 16% more and all export revenues are a 16 % less. ( 1,35-1,13)/1,35. This over a value of 1.300 Bn = 200 Bn pounds a year.

And it's really going to be hit, when all goods from the UK into the EU are under import duty as WTO-rules. ( aside of what is then out of competition at all, so will reduce UK production anyhow)

Or do the British think, the rest of the world suddenly is open for British products ?

[SheungWan]

And by people from inside the EU who are taking jobs that native Britons should be doing and have been doing for generations.

"Native Britons" meaning white Britons.

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[sanemax]

12 hours ago, SheungWan said:

"Native Britons" meaning white Britons.

 

If you believe that native Britons are only White , then thats just your own racist attitude

[dunroaming]

3 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

Which party represents the average British working class man. And how do you define the average British working class man.

 

It has not been the Labour Party for decades who are now basically just a party that appeals to left wing brainwashed university students and immigrants. It's policies are the complete opposite to that of the working class it's suppose to have its roots in.

It is true that the Labour Party was the party for the workers, hence their close relationship to the unions.  I think that changed when Blair was elected and threw away the socialist handbook.  The old Labour Party were dead in the water until Blair came along with his "New Labour" which was definitely right of centre when it came to it's political position.

 

But who is the British working man now?  Some are in the manufacturing sector but that has shrunk beyond recognition and after Brexit likely to do so further.  Mining has gone and steel workers are also losing their jobs on a regular basis.  Many skilled workers are scratching about taking jobs that are way below the skill levels.  Simply because those jobs are simply not there anymore.  In Britain we are very resilient and adapt to situations when we have to.

 

Britain's strength now is in the service industry and that is where the future lies, so the ordinary working man will now be proficient in IT or electronics and have a much higher level of business acumen than in the past.  But that doesn't help the skilled workers who spent years achieving their level of expertise only to have the rug whipped from under their feet.  Most are too old or too resistant to re-training into a job that they really don't want to do.

 

This is not about people coming into the country and taking their jobs, those jobs just don't exist in Britain anymore.  Of course many of them are bitter and to not have, at least, a political party that they feel represents them is way beyond depressing.

[dunroaming]

5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

If you believe that native Britons are only White , then thats just your own racist attitude

I think there was a question mark missing from his post.

[sanemax]

12 hours ago, dunroaming said:

I think there was a question mark missing from his post.

I do think that he was trying to portray someone as being racist , whereas he was being racist himself 

[dunroaming]

23 minutes ago, vogie said:

You cannot jail people just because you don't like them.

Oh, I don't know ????

[howbri]

No different than in my country, USA. The swamp dwellers just don't want to relinquish control over people's lives. It's where the money is. Their time is coming to an end tho.

[JAG]

41 minutes ago, rhyddid said:

The immense damage among people going to stand for decades.

Certainly Falange e BS BJ helped to make the tone more strong and inspirate violence and extremism, that why those "hate" politicians shall be defrocked immediately of their political power and vest, as well jailed for life.
 

Jailing politicians whose ideas you don't like for life! Outstanding! What do you envisage for anyone who voted for them, a spell in a penal work camp, internal exile?

[dunroaming]

1 hour ago, overherebc said:

General comment. People voted for something they knew very little about because it was never explained to them.

All they thought about was stop coloured people coming to UK and we want bendy bananas not straight ones all the time.

Worse that that.  They thought they knew what it was about but they were just fed lies and fell for them.  Me to and although common sense prevailed with me I took a long time at the ballot box thinking about which way to go.  It wasn't until afterwards and the lies were exposed that I realised I had actually made the right choice after all.  We may have lost on the day but I did the right thing for what I believe in. 

[transam]

32 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

And how much all discussions etc did the taxpayer cost after that referendum ?

 

Not the last, the drop in value of the GBP, with means all imports cost a 16% more and all export revenues are a 16 % less. ( 1,35-1,13)/1,35. This over a value of 1.300 Bn = 200 Bn pounds a year.

 

And it's really going to be hit, when all goods from the UK into the EU are under import duty as WTO-rules. ( aside of what is then out of competition at all, so will reduce UK production anyhow)

 

Or do the British think, the rest of the world suddenly is open for British products ?

 

You still don't understand that the UK voted not to be like you....They tried it and don't like it. That is it in a nut shell, and the sooner you understand that the sooner you can relax...????

[dunroaming]

You know, one thing occurs to me after watching that disgusting behaviour in parliament.  We here on TV have our fair share of heated arguments about the dreaded Brexit issue and have done from day one.  Passions are often high and feelings strong but we never stoop to the level of these morons did in the House of Commons.  You would think with a level of anonymity on here we would be well placed to do so but just about everyone conducts themselves in a grown up way..

 

I think that, when it comes to it, we conduct ourselves in a much better way than our so called "betters".  Albeit with a little help from the admin, occasionally.  ????

[SheungWan]

You still don't understand that the UK voted not to be like you....They tried it and don't like it. That is it in a nut shell, and the sooner you understand that the sooner you can relax...[emoji9]

"Be like you". The Poundland Style Guide.

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[transam]

6 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

You know, one thing occurs to me after watching that disgusting behaviour in parliament.  We here on TV have our fair share of heated arguments about the dreaded Brexit issue and have done from day one.  Passions are often high and feelings strong but we never stoop to the level of these morons did in the House of Commons.  You would think with a level of anonymity on here we would be well placed to do so but just about everyone conducts themselves in a grown up way..

 

I think that, when it comes to it, we conduct ourselves in a much better way than our so called "betters".  Albeit with a little help from the admin, occasionally.  ????

And which party members was it that made Bercow cower...?

[SheungWan]

Jailing politicians whose ideas you don't like for life! Outstanding! What do you envisage for anyone who voted for them, a spell in a penal work camp, internal exile?

Living up North is punishment enough.

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2 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

"Be like you". The Poundland Style Guide.

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What is a poundland style guide...?

[transam]

2 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Living up North is punishment enough.

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Of what country...?

[SheungWan]

Don't you ever get tired of quoting the same ol' drivel........[emoji849]

In response to the same old lie that the referendum was an explicit vote for no-deal Brexit.

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[transam]

2 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

In response to the same old lie that the referendum was an explicit vote for no-deal Brexit.

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Yes, you are still, after all this time, confused....

[StreetCowboy]

2 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

That's what it is to the howling Brexiteers. What they fail to understand is that brexit will have zero effect on the numbers of those groups migrating to the UK. I've said this many times but they just fail to understand it. Not for me to comment on why they fail to comprehend this simple fact.

I imagine the French will be happy for their illegal immigrants to leave for the nearest non-EU country they can find.

[SheungWan]

Of what country...?

Outer M25.

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[DannyCarlton]

11 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

I imagine the French will be happy for their illegal immigrants to leave for the nearest non-EU country they can find.

It's a valid point. Cross channel migrations are kept to a minimum by close co operation between British immmigration officers, a number of whom are permanently posted in Calais, and the French authorities.

 

It's obvious that this level of detente between the officers of both countries will cease to exist, post Brexit, opening the floodgates.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2019 by DannyCarlton

[yogi100]

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

It is true that the Labour Party was the party for the workers, hence their close relationship to the unions.  I think that changed when Blair was elected and threw away the socialist handbook.  The old Labour Party were dead in the water until Blair came along with his "New Labour" which was definitely right of centre when it came to it's political position.

 

But who is the British working man now?  Some are in the manufacturing sector but that has shrunk beyond recognition and after Brexit likely to do so further.  Mining has gone and steel workers are also losing their jobs on a regular basis.  Many skilled workers are scratching about taking jobs that are way below the skill levels.  Simply because those jobs are simply not there anymore.  In Britain we are very resilient and adapt to situations when we have to.

 

Britain's strength now is in the service industry and that is where the future lies, so the ordinary working man will now be proficient in IT or electronics and have a much higher level of business acumen than in the past.  But that doesn't help the skilled workers who spent years achieving their level of expertise only to have the rug whipped from under their feet.  Most are too old or too resistant to re-training into a job that they really don't want to do.

 

This is not about people coming into the country and taking their jobs, those jobs just don't exist in Britain anymore.  Of course many of them are bitter and to not have, at least, a political party that they feel represents them is way beyond depressing.

The livelihoods of many Britons in the building trade whose former jobs do still exist has been slaughtered by the arrival of literally millions of cheaper Eastern European manual workers.

[DannyCarlton]

21 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

The livelihoods of many Britons in the building trade whose former jobs do still exist has been slaughtered by the arrival of literally millions of cheaper Eastern European manual workers.

Links or it's complete BS. most of my mates are in the building trade and they're doing fine.

[beautifulthailand99]

22 hours ago, owl sees all said:

This unruly house is the best thing to have happened in my lifetime.

 

I think it can mean:

 

The end of H of Lords.

The BBC having to get its funding from other sources.

A written constitution.

Fairer electoral system.

Metropolitan police taking control of 'The City of L'.

End of EU quangos in UK.

Cheaper fish 'n' chips.

Proper vetting of judges.

An elected monarchy. 

 

And many more changes, for the betterment of the people.

 

 

 

 

 

You missed out the trashing off the pound which is hugely aiding getting hordes of British riff-raff from causing mayhem in sunny holiday destinations. 

[kingdong]

9 hours ago, bannork said:

Only 37% of the adult population voted to leave.

Still more than voted to remain =democracy

Edited September 27, 2019 by kingdong

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said:

Links or it's complete BS. most of my mates are in the building trade and they're doing fine.

It's the <deleted> , cash-in-hand cowboy builders who had their collars felt. I've had a few of those on my properties over the years. Never a problem with EE's though.