EU rejects UK's request for weekend talks as Johnson insists on no Brexit delay

[SheungWan]

Boris is not bluffing,one of just four options,all would be successful,     out is out 31/10

No-deal Brexit is 4/1. Place your devalued Sterling bet now.

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[david555]

2 hours ago, zorrow424 said:

Boris is not bluffing,one of just four options,all would be successful,     out is out 31/10

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/oct/07/brexit-latest-news-boris-johnson-court-to-decide-if-boris-johnson-can-be-forced-to-sign-extension-letter-live-news#comments

 

[nauseus]

59 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Hard Brexiteers still trying to spin that anybody pledged no-deal Brexit. Going nowhere.

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Any informed MP who voted for A50 would have known that no deal was a possibility. Now most are going backwards. And if they did not know then they should not be in the job.

Edited October 7, 2019 by nauseus

[beautifulthailand99]

On 10/6/2019 at 5:17 AM, terryw said:

The law still is that we leave on October 31st. The Benn Act cannot change this.

Wanna bet on it  - the first rule of EU is the Hotel California rule  - you can join but never leave - and whatever happens there will never be a no deal Boris would be in a wartime crisis in hours if he were to try that. 

[SheungWan]

Any informed MP who voted for A50 would have known that no deal was a possibility. Now most are going backwards. And if they did not know then they should not be in the job.

"Possibility" is an option and no more.

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[SheungWan]

Opinion polls happen every day. Promised national referendums do not. There was nothing confusing about the result, except to remainers of course. 

The attempted confusion is the Hard Brexiteer fake pass that there was a vote for no-deal Brexit.

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[SheungWan]

Wanna bet on it  - the first rule of EU is the Hotel California rule  - you can join but never leave - and whatever happens there will never be a no deal Boris would be in a wartime crisis in hours if he were to try that. 

Leaving is a UK responsibility and action.

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[SheungWan]

There is no reason why a referendum can not be legally binding, just depends on the wording of the bill that is needed for any referendum, but it makes common senses to make them only binding if there is a clear majority as done in most other countries.

Not going to happen outside of the current process.

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[nauseus]

8 hours ago, SheungWan said:

"Possibility" is an option and no more.

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No. It's One of two outcomes, according to the EU-owned Article 50. 

[vogie]

8 hours ago, SheungWan said:

"Possibility" is an option and no more.

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Remainers are helping to make it a probability.

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, SheungWan said:

The attempted confusion is the Hard Brexiteer fake pass that there was a vote for no-deal Brexit.

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There was a vote for Brexit. It looks like most of us assumed there would be a reasonable deal but the EU do not intend to let us out with anything like that. Do they? 

[david555]

47 minutes ago, nauseus said:

There was a vote for Brexit. It looks like most of us assumed there would be a reasonable deal but the EU do not intend to let us out with anything like that. Do they? 

Don't worry after Brexit ALL comes back on the negotiation table ,same deals, or other refused options by U.K. are still possible ….. Norway....,Canada +,++,+++,-, (those all before refused .As U.K. like "tailor made" as a non E.U. member ????)

And U.K. has then already have world trade tariffs in the pocket..., together wit uncle Sam Trump trade deal hanging in the air...

So all looks bright ...????

 

 

Edited October 8, 2019 by david555

[zorrow424]

31/10 is leaving date,that is a certainty,now the only doubters here are irish,because it hits them the hardest,dream on sunshine, dream on,its all happening before your potato famished eyes,really it is.

   Boris has 4 ,if not more,options laid out to accomplish the withdrawal,and as some of you non-uk-ites  threaten death and destruction if Boris indeed goes ahead,which he will,all I can say ,you ain't seen nothing yet if for some obscure reason he does not pull it off,but pull it off he will,get the bunting ready..22 days to go,and all over  lol

 

The Treasury is to mint 10 million Brexit 50p coins - three times more than previously planned

Edited October 8, 2019 by zorrow424

[david555]

Monday 7 October 2019 22:32, UK

https://news.sky.com/story/heidi-allen-former-conservative-mp-joins-liberal-democrats-11830352

Heidi Allen: Former Conservative MP joins Liberal Democrats

Heidi Allen becomes the seventh MP to join the party this year, taking its total in the House of Commons to 19.

[Bruntoid]

1 hour ago, zorrow424 said:

31/10 is leaving date,that is a certainty,now the only doubters here are irish,because it hits them the hardest,dream on sunshine, dream on,its all happening before your potato famished eyes,really it is.

   Boris has 4 ,if not more,options laid out to accomplish the withdrawal,and as some of you non-uk-ites  threaten death and destruction if Boris indeed goes ahead,which he will,all I can say ,you ain't seen nothing yet if for some obscure reason he does not pull it off,but pull it off he will,get the bunting ready..22 days to go,and all over  lol

 

The Treasury is to mint 10 million Brexit 50p coins - three times more than previously planned

Yet more Irish hatred - you really have a problem. (in addition to incoherence) 

[el torro]

11 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Wanna bet on it  - the first rule of EU is the Hotel California rule  - you can join but never leave - and whatever happens there will never be a no deal Boris would be in a wartime crisis in hours if he were to try that. 

"the first rule of EU is the Hotel California rule  - you can join but never leave"

 

It's becoming increasingly clear that this is very true - as the idea is horrendous to the majority of powerful/elite etc. etc. 

[el torro]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

There was a vote for Brexit. It looks like most of us assumed there would be a reasonable deal but the EU do not intend to let us out with anything like that. Do they? 

Quite.

 

When it comes to 'a deal' I feel confident in asserting electorate thoughts prior to the referendum were revolving around a trade deal?  And talks re. this have not even started!

 

Instead, it's ALL revolving around the 'Irish issue'......  Of course this is very important to a tiny minority, but (to get back to planet earth ????) - how on earth has this turned into the most important point???

Edited October 8, 2019 by el torro

[david555]

14 minutes ago, el torro said:

Quite.

 

When it comes to 'a deal' I feel confident in asserting electorate thoughts prior to the referendum were revolving around a trade deal?  And talks re. this have not even started!

 

Instead, it's ALL revolving around the 'Irish issue'......  Of course this is very important to a tiny minority, but (to get back to planet earth ????) - how on earth has this turned into the most important point???

It does for them ……" a tiny minority ",  as you call them 

And it block's that " mighty one" …. ????

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

There was a vote for Brexit. It looks like most of us assumed there would be a reasonable deal but the EU do not intend to let us out with anything like that. Do they? 

a little bit confused here, above your post states """ Any informed MP who voted for A50 would have known that no deal was a possibility """ but here you said to assume there will be a deal, what is it, deal or no deal? why is the EU obliged to make a deal, usually the one living is the one eager for a deal the one staying has no obligation of giving one if it doesn't fit its interests

[nauseus]

47 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

a little bit confused here, above your post states """ Any informed MP who voted for A50 would have known that no deal was a possibility """ but here you said to assume there will be a deal, what is it, deal or no deal? why is the EU obliged to make a deal, usually the one living is the one eager for a deal the one staying has no obligation of giving one if it doesn't fit its interests

Two different things. One concerns the MPs and their vote to approve the A50 trigger and the other is about what voters (leave & remain) assumed when they voted in the referendum. Article 50 actually puts the onus on the EU to negotiate a withdrawal agreement with any member that has expressed a desire to leave. So, initially, it was fair to expect that a reasonable agreement (deal) could be reached. However, it soon became obvious that this was not to be.

 

The EU recently acknowledged that a "deal" is the best outcome for both the EU and the UK. However, a fear of the UK exiting successfully, thus possibly giving other members an incentive to leave as well, still seems to override all and any other EU concerns. 

 

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

So, initially, it was fair to expect that a reasonable agreement (deal) could be reached. However, it soon became obvious that this was not to be.

It was pretty obvious to me and anyone who understood the politics of the situation before the referendum.

[SheungWan]

No. It's One of two outcomes, according to the EU-owned Article 50. 

If there is more than one its an option/alternative.

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[nauseus]

6 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

If there is more than one its an option/alternative.

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Nitty picky.

[nauseus]

11 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

It was pretty obvious to me and anyone who understood the politics of the situation before the referendum.

Of course it was.

[zorrow424]

2 hours ago, Bruntoid said:

Yet more Irish hatred - you really have a problem. (in addition to incoherence) 

Understandingly,its the irish in you, never mind ,the bus is just about ready  lol

[zorrow424]

31 minutes ago, nauseus said:

T

 

The EU recently acknowledged that a "deal" is the best outcome for both the EU and the UK. However, a fear of the UK exiting successfully, thus possibly giving other members an incentive to leave as well, still seems to override all and any other EU concerns. 

 

This just about sums it all up,yes it does.

   The hopes and wishes of many member states would be to leave,but putting the fear into them makes them sit up and ponder.  Once the UK slips the knot,more will follow,guaranteed,especially Italy,they are just wasting their time belonging

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

It does for them ……" a tiny minority ",  as you call them 

And it block's that " mighty one" …. ????

 

Instead, it's ALL revolving around the 'Irish issue'......  Of course this is very important to a tiny minority, but (to get back to planet earth ) - how on earth has this turned into the most important point???     (Quote replies to this, from el toro).

 

I think the Irish border issue which is very real and serious, and could bring back the troubles, is important. It may well be being spoken of by EU/UK as THE pivotal issue, there is so much more behind it of course.

If only it had all just been Theatre I might have enjoyed it, whilst thinking the plot line utterly unbelievably ridiculous. It is not Theatre, real lives have already been damaged, and an economic disaster is still very much possible.

[Pattaya46]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

// The EU recently acknowledged that a "deal" is the best outcome for both the EU and the UK. However, a fear of the UK exiting successfully, thus possibly giving other members an incentive to leave as well, still seems to override all and any other EU concerns

What you and media call "deal" is in fact just the "withdrawal agreement". It's not that important in fact for the future.

 

What will be important (and will define if Brexit is a success or not) is the trade deal that will be later negotiated between UK & EU to avoid to stay on the bad WTO rules.

 

As for now we have absolutely no idea what it will be... as negotiations can't start before the "withdrawal agreement" is accepted or before a "no deal".

[beautifulthailand99]

3 hours ago, Bruntoid said:

Yet more Irish hatred - you really have a problem. (in addition to incoherence) 

Behold the average British Brexiteer swimming in their own petty xenophobic ignorance and hatred - small men with thwarted unloved lives thrashing around on their mini-melting ice flows of a life ultimately unfulfilled.

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

So, initially, it was fair to expect that a reasonable agreement (deal) could be reached. However, it soon became obvious that this was not to be.

initially everybody expects something, maybe not the same thing and must of time it turns out to be a completely different (thing) outcome..., a reasonable agreement it's a vague assumption, what's reasonable for one side may not be reasonable for the other side, UK thought may (REASONABLY thought)  it could be on the drivers seat when leaving and it turns out to be a different driver