Just now, vogie said:

If you mean the EU, are they doing the Twist, Boris will be doing Bolero, whilst Corbyn is still doing the Funky Chicken.

Doing the Bolero? while dead in a ditch, don't talk rubbish...

5 hours ago, vogie said:

 duplicitious MPs have no intention of honouring the democratic vote what the electorate voted for.

 

Only 37 % of the electorate voted to leave. 63 % did NOT vote to leave.

3 hours ago, Opl said:

"no customs union, no single market" .. if the E.U is the source of all evils, why just not leave, without a deal, as soon as possible, as it was what Brexiteers voted for - or what?    

You may have been asleep for a while and missed some stuff but for over 3 years the UK has been trying to do that.

 

The problem was that the negotiating team were Remainers led by an arch Remainer Teresa May. She is the sole owner of the UK negotiations that led to her demise.

 

Boris came along stating that he would pull us out deal or no deal and the Remainers in the Tory party fought against him, resigned from the party whip (but not from parliament where they would lose their share of the gravy train), Gina Miller at al threw the law (again) at the government, parliament hog tied Boris but cannot agree which way to go, and so once again the UK is FUBAR. 

 

IMHO If I were Boris I would wait until I has to write the letter to the EU and simply refuse to do it and the reason would be because parliament stopped me, you can get on with it on your own.

3 hours ago, rhyddid said:

We all going to face BS BJ no deal disaster !

Brought to you at vast expense to the UK taxpayer courtesy of Teresa May.

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

You may have been asleep for a while and missed some stuff but for over 3 years the UK has been trying to do that.

sorry but that's incorrect, for 2.5 years the UK didn't move their "rear" and all of a sudden they realized time was of essence and they started to negotiate a deal which was accepted by the EU, thus accepting the UK to leave but the UK parliament doesn't want to leave, a lot of non sense happen in the UK parliament, such non sense was in anyway created/started/originated by the EU, the UK did it and keeps doing it and instead of blaming their own people/parliament/government or whoever they started to blame the EU for the UK problems.... a simple version of the facts, the EU is not holding the UK from leaving the EU, it is the UK holding itself from leaving the EU

12 minutes ago, billd766 said:

You may have been asleep for a while and missed some stuff but for over 3 years the UK has been trying to do that.

 

The problem was that the negotiating team were Remainers led by an arch Remainer Teresa May. She is the sole owner of the UK negotiations that led to her demise.

 

May's deal gave us everything Cummings and his team promised Brexit would deliver during the referendum campaign; apart from the Irish backstop.

 

Cummings and his political mouthpieces like Johnson were desperate to ignore the Irish border problem during the campaign, and dismissed all talk of it by the Remain side as 'Project Fear.'

 

12 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Boris came along stating that he would pull us out deal or no deal and the Remainers in the Tory party fought against him, resigned from the party whip (but not from parliament where they would lose their share of the gravy train), Gina Miller at al threw the law (again) at the government, parliament hog tied Boris but cannot agree which way to go, and so once again the UK is FUBAR.

 

Some Tory MPs, like Boris' brother, did resign from the Whip; but not as many as had the Whip removed by Boris!

 

The Supreme Court ruling that Boris' underhand prorogation was unlawful did not rule in any way shape or form upon the UK's relationship with the EU, the government's negotiating stance nor anything else to do with Brexit.

 

No one voted for a no deal Brexit; those who voted to leave voted for the type of Brexit promised by Cummings; the type of Brexit May's deal delivered. It was Johnson, Rees-Mogg with his ERG and others who prevented that from happening for their own political ambitions.

 

12 minutes ago, billd766 said:

IMHO If I were Boris I would wait until I has to write the letter to the EU and simply refuse to do it and the reason would be because parliament stopped me, you can get on with it on your own.

 

An Act of Parliament says that if Johnson has not reached a deal in time then he has to ask for an extension of Article 50; to do otherwise means he would be breaking Statute Law.

 

Of course, there is no legal reason why the EU has to grant that extension; which may be what he is hoping for.

Edited October 6, 20196 yr by 7by7

27 minutes ago, Basil B said:

I know what you mean we will have to take a wheelbarrow to the ATM as the pound will sink lower than the Zimbabwean dollar with the hyperinflation that will follow brexit.

You have been listening to Mark Carney for too long.

17 minutes ago, billd766 said:

You may have been asleep for a while and missed some stuff but for over 3 years the UK has been trying to do that.

 

The problem was that the negotiating team were Remainers led by an arch Remainer Teresa May. She is the sole owner of the UK negotiations that led to her demise.

 

Boris came along stating that he would pull us out deal or no deal and the Remainers in the Tory party fought against him, resigned from the party whip (but not from parliament where they would lose their share of the gravy train), Gina Miller at al threw the law (again) at the government, parliament hog tied Boris but cannot agree which way to go, and so once again the UK is FUBAR. 

 

IMHO If I were Boris I would wait until I has to write the letter to the EU and simply refuse to do it and the reason would be because parliament stopped me, you can get on with it on your own.

If you were B.J you'd write 2 letters to the EU :  "no deal" - "no Brexit"  

Edited October 6, 20196 yr by Opl

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

sorry but that's incorrect, for 2.5 years the UK didn't move their "rear" and all of a sudden they realized time was of essence and they started to negotiate a deal which was accepted by the EU, thus accepting the UK to leave but the UK parliament doesn't want to leave, a lot of non sense happen in the UK parliament, such non sense was in anyway created/started/originated by the EU, the UK did it and keeps doing it and instead of blaming their own people/parliament/government or whoever they started to blame the EU for the UK problems.... a simple version of the facts, the EU is not holding the UK from leaving the EU, it is the UK holding itself from leaving the EU

Really? Does that mean that Teresa May did nothing at all for 2.5 years?

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

No one voted for a no deal Brexit; those who voted to leave voted for the type of Brexit promised by Cummings; the type of Brexit May's deal delivered. It was Johnson, Rees-Mogg with his ERG gang and others who prevented that from happening for their own political ambitions.

Brexiters don't want to acknowledge that.... it's easy to blame the EU for their own mistakes

9 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Really? Does that mean that Teresa May did nothing at all for 2.5 years?

be so kind and provide the date when her deal was submitted to the EU.... look at the dates below, maybe not 2.5 years but long enough from March 2017 to Nov 2018

 

For the UK to leave the EU it had to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty which gives the two sides two years to agree the terms of the split. Theresa May triggered this process on 29 March, 2017, meaning the UK is scheduled to leave at 11pm UK time on Friday, 29 March 2019.

 

On the 14th of November 2018 Theresa May returned to the UK with a draft withdrawal agreement with the EU. This 585 page deal is the crucial first step in the Brexit process and lays out the terms on which the UK will leave the European Union

Edited October 6, 20196 yr by Mavideol

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

May's deal gave us everything Cummings and his team promised Brexit would deliver during the referendum campaign; apart from the Irish backstop.

 

Cummings and his political mouthpieces like Johnson were desperate to ignore the Irish border problem during the campaign, and dismissed all talk of it by the Remain side as 'Project Fear.'

 

 

Some Tory MPs, like Boris' brother, did resign from the Whip; but not as may as had the Whip removed by Boris!

 

The Supreme Court ruling Boris' underhand prorogation did not rule in any way shape or form upon the UK's relationship wi8th the EU, the government's negotiating stance nor anything else to do with Brexit.

 

No one voted for a no deal Brexit; those who voted to leave voted for the type of Brexit promised by Cummings; the type of Brexit May's deal delivered. It was Johnson, Rees-Mogg with his ERG and others who prevented that from happening for their own political ambitions.

 

 

An Act of Parliament says that if Johnson has not reached a deal in time then he has to ask for an extension of Article 50; to do otherwise means he would be breaking Statute Law.

 

Of course, there is no legal reason why the EU has to grant that extension; which may be what he is hoping for.

quote

 

May's deal gave us everything Cummings and his team promised Brexit would deliver during the referendum campaign; apart from the Irish backstop.

 

How so?

 

TM promised that the UK would leave the EU completely by 31st March this year but as far as I can see we are still in the EU 6 months after that date.

 

I can't be bothered with the rest of you post as IMHO it is wrong.

At least 21 hangers on,probably more like 22 now as Sweden finds itself in financial trouble,all wanting free money.  Not withstanding the UK was 93 billion in deficit to the EU,paying it 8 billion for membership,and face it Boris has upwards of 39 billion the EU wants.  The EU will except any crumbs of comfort the UK throws out.

  Ireland is not the UKs concern,that must be obvious,let the savages battle it out,not needed ,not wanted,throw it under a bus

18 minutes ago, billd766 said:

You may have been asleep for a while and missed some stuff but for over 3 years the UK has been trying to do that.

You know that’s not true. 

 

18 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

The problem was that the negotiating team were Remainers led by an arch Remainer Teresa May. She is the sole owner of the UK negotiations that led to her demise.

You know the problem is that you don’t have a majority. And now you’re blaming the majority that they don’t support you. 

 

 

18 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

IMHO If I were Boris I would wait until I has to write the letter to the EU and simply refuse to do it and the reason would be because parliament stopped me, you can get on with it on your own.

Yes, when you have a keyboard but no responsibility you would do many things if you were Boris. 

34 minutes ago, vogie said:

If you mean the EU, are they doing the Twist, Boris will be doing Bolero, whilst Corbyn is still doing the Funky Chicken.

I think that Corbyn will be doing the Funky Gibbon.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXq8rELhUkw

 

Edited October 6, 20196 yr by billd766
edited for bad spelling after I had posted, again.

Just now, NeoDinosaw said:

Only 37 % of the electorate voted to leave. 63 % did NOT vote to leave.

And only 34% of the electorate voted to remain. 66% did not vote to remain!

Just now, vogie said:

And only 34% of the electorate voted to remain. 66% did not vote to remain!

So, other than the 71% who voted, you have an apathetic 29% who couldn't give a ****. That works. ????

5 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

What served you will through the ages was a system called representative parliamentary democracy. Until the day when a desperate PM confused the whole system with an opinion poll. 

 

It’s cute that you’re still believing in it. 

 

You’d have to find a majority for that. But you chose to alienate everyone. Clever strategy. Must come from Rumpelstilzchen Cummings. 

Opinion polls happen every day. Promised national referendums do not. There was nothing confusing about the result, except to remainers of course. 

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Opinion polls happen every day. Promised national referendums do not. 

They have in common that they are worth nothing legally. Get over that and start convincing a majority in parliament. 

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

You have been listening to Mark Carney for too long.

I would say he is more qualified than you...

6 hours ago, billd766 said:

I think having a referendum is a great idea.

 

Of course we would have to complete the current one first otherwise there is no point in having a second one.

 

Then of course if the Remainers win then then it should be the best of 3, 5, 7 etc unless one side reaches 3 clear wins first.

 

Another referendum would need a good set of rules starting with a pass mark of say 65 or 70% of the actual voters and if that fails we revert to the existing referendum results. I say actual and eligible because if, as in the last referendum, a sizable proportion didn't vote that means only the actual votes cast are eligible.

 

Would the voting age be lowered and to what age limit?

 

Next, who would decide what and how many questions should be asked?

Well if there was a 2nd referendum , not that I believe there should be , then one hopes that it would be both unambigous and legally binding.

The huge problem has been that nobody definitevly knows exactly what Brexit means.

Leaving the EU you say , well Mrs May's deal achieved that but it wasn't Brexity enough apparently , honestly the whole process has been a shambles.

Farage and co now insist that only no deal is a true Brexit , yet no deal was not presented as such prior to the referendum !

Duplicity , hypocrisy and humbug from both sides have created a nightmare and Britain has become a laughing stock.

So if we try again , lets have some hard facts and no more bloody ambiguity , we might then find a solution. 

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

Really? Does that mean that Teresa May did nothing at all for 2.5 years?

No. She kicked a can down the road for the best part of it. After calling her fatally flawed, losing snap election, she only had the one can left.

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

You know the problem is that you don’t have a majority. And now you’re blaming the majority that they don’t support you. 

Seem to be taking this a bit personal with the, you this and you that.. You do know hes not Boris right  ? ????  Thing is there is a clear majority and always has been, its disingenuous to pretend otherwise. 

 

The only people that ever matter in ANY ballot are those who actually cast their vote, the rest might as well not exist,  if someone didnt then they have no complaints to make and didnt care one way or another.  Those that did vote ended up either in the minority if voted to remain and lost or the majority that voted to leave and won... its that simple...

 

No government in history of the UK has been elected by a population majority ... ever. Only those who vote matter and the results come from that, not those who dont bother. 

But everyone knows that, its basically just some cant handle losing a vote anymore and would rather lie or cheat than accept it. So sad, so weak, so pathetic.     

 

The sun will rise and set after its all over, the sky wont fall and the sea wont boil...when its all over some will have their integrity in tact and others will not. 

2 hours ago, Basil B said:

I would say he is more qualified than you...

At what?

12 hours ago, z42 said:

I don't really know what else he can do if the EU are not even appearing to want to thrash out deals in an already short timeframe.

 

It is very obvious that key players in the UK and EU establishment want to derail the whole thing. As much as i dislike Boris, his skullduggery is no worse than the EU's blatant unwillingness to even negotiate reasonably.

 

I hope the UK make a clean break. How can an exit be worse than a constant limbo.

 

The Tory government have had plenty of time to negotiate. But between all their infighting they've cocked it all up. Why should 27 other countries respond to a sudden request to work a weekend when very little tangible seems there to discuss.

 

And Boris and his millionaire backers want and are trying to engineer a no deal crash out so they can cash in. Just read his own sister's comments.

2 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

Well if there was a 2nd referendum , not that I believe there should be , then one hopes that it would be both unambigous and legally binding.

The huge problem has been that nobody definitevly knows exactly what Brexit means.

Leaving the EU you say , well Mrs May's deal achieved that but it wasn't Brexity enough apparently , honestly the whole process has been a shambles.

Farage and co now insist that only no deal is a true Brexit , yet no deal was not presented as such prior to the referendum !

Duplicity , hypocrisy and humbug from both sides have created a nightmare and Britain has become a laughing stock.

So if we try again , lets have some hard facts and no more bloody ambiguity , we might then find a solution. 

 

Jeez, it's like peeing in the wind! Referendums in the UK CAN NOT be legally binding. Nor can Political Parties be sued for failing to deliver on the "promises" they make in their election manifestos. 

 

The only redress is via the ballot box - but be honest, who the hell would vote for any of this shower!

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

They have in common that they are worth nothing legally. Get over that and start convincing a majority in parliament. 

If the referendum was so worthless, it's quite amazing that the exit process has gone so far already, eh?

 

 

48 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Jeez, it's like peeing in the wind! Referendums in the UK CAN NOT be legally binding. Nor can Political Parties be sued for failing to deliver on the "promises" they make in their election manifestos. 

 

The only redress is via the ballot box - but be honest, who the hell would vote for any of this shower!

Referendums are not currently legally binding , that is not to say that legislation can not be introduced to make them so.

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If the referendum was so worthless, it's quite amazing that the exit process has gone so far already, eh?

 

 

Yes, they have wasted £billions, and continue to do so at the same time cause investors in British industry to rethink and invest elsewhere while more and more jobs go overseas.

5 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

Referendums are not currently legally binding , that is not to say that legislation can not be introduced to make them so.

There is no reason why a referendum can not be legally binding, just depends on the wording of the bill that is needed for any referendum, but it makes common senses to make them only binding if there is a clear majority as done in most other countries.