UK could be flexible on details of Northern Ireland veto, customs plan

[puipuitom]

51 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

What many forget: With a hard Brexit also Briotish fodo safety certificatiosn will no longer be accepted as final by the EU food authorities. As Mr Terry Jones form the National Farmers Union wrote: over 6000 British meat facilities have to obtain an EU meat acceptance certificate, one-by-one.  The same for all grains, fruits, vegetables and potatoes exporters. The next will be all British Retail Certificate (BRC-certified) food exporters... just like all "third country) origins. Ask the Thai fish + food exporters to the EU.

British lamb to France.. brown-chicken meat, the British do not like, but massively exported to teh South-European countries.. all .. GONE. 

see 

 

 

Edited October 7, 2019 by puipuitom

[puipuitom]

31 minutes ago, sanemax said:

In what way do Brexiteers want to steal anything from Ireland ?

Who wants to steal what from Ireland ?

Or is your post just nonsense ?

Just read the history of English who occupied Ireland for centuries. Maybe the name "Boycot" rings a bell ? Same for Scotland. Or is British History even a too big thing to know for Brexiteers ?

[OneMoreFarang]

4 hours ago, zorrow424 said:

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

A clean cut would only be possible if the UK and EU would stay completely separated from each other in the future. No travel, no business, no nothing. Is that realistic?

Obviously: No! Ane this is why there is no such thing as a clean cut. Because what is a clean cut today is a big mess tomorrow.

Who says so ? YOU   right  lol

Logic!

[DannyCarlton]

5 hours ago, Mike Teavee said:

Boy are you going to look silly come 1st November when the UK is still in the EU & Boris is back peddling faster than Chris Froome in reverse... 

 

If we don't leave the EU before November 1st, Johnson won't be backpedalling, he will be 'avin it on his toes. Won't last the week out. An immediate election will be called and with Farage's help, the Tories will be kicked into the long grass. Could even be relegated to the 3rd party. Johnson knows this and is one of the reasons he's so desparate to leave on October 31st. He's really bricking it.

[Jip99]

5 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

If we don't leave the EU before November 1st, Johnson won't be backpedalling, he will be 'avin it on his toes. Won't last the week out. An immediate election will be called and with Farage's help, the Tories will be kicked into the long grass. Could even be relegated to the 3rd party. Johnson knows this and is one of the reasons he's so desparate to leave on October 31st. He's really bricking it.

 

 

You should start your own Brexit Fantasy League of predictions.

 

This is another one that is way off the mark.

 

Farage is nothing to do with any upcoming election being ‘called’. Johnson’s personal rating has grown, as has the Tory party’s on the back of his Brexit efforts.

 

It will be Johnson’s fault if we don’t leave on the 31st October - but it will be down largely to the efforts of one man if we do.

[DannyCarlton]

5 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

You should start your own Brexit Fantasy League of predictions.

 

This is another one that is way off the mark.

 

Farage is nothing to do with any upcoming election being ‘called’. Johnson’s personal rating has grown, as has the Tory party’s on the back of his Brexit efforts.

 

It will be Johnson’s fault if we don’t leave on the 31st October - but it will be down largely to the efforts of one man if we do.

Where did I say that he was? He has sworn that if Brexit is extended he will field a candidate in every constituency. Exactly th reason Cameron called for a referendum in the first place - fear of the Tory vote bleeding away to Farage's party, leaving the way open for a big win for Labour.

 

Here's another of my Brexit Fantasy League predictions for you. If we remain in the EU after October 31st, Johnson will resign, just as Cameron did when his referendum went pear shaped. Put your money on it, every Brexit prediction I have made in the last 4 years has come to fruition.

 

No need to thank me for giving you a nice little earner. It's a nap.

[samran]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

That's all great. But 50% of all Irish agri food exports go to the UK and that sector is what the Irish are fairly most worried about.

Why would the Irish be worried? As the Brexiters keep telling us, no borders will be put up.

 

Going the other direction, on the other hand will be painful for British exporters who are all of a sudden going to have to deal with EU agriculture rules and tariffs. Good luck sorting that with a ‘quick and easy’ trade deal. 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Critical for Irish agriculture, maybe. But I've got news for you, Ireland isn't primarily an agricultural economy anymore. Not even secondarily. 

In 2017, agriculture contributed around 1.17 percent to the GDP of Ireland, 36.2 percent came from the industry and 56.46 percent from the service sector.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/375575/ireland-gdp-distribution-across-economic-sectors/

Also, the UK exports about 13.2 billion pounds worth of agricultural production to the EU. Some of that presumably could be replaced by Irish production

I know. The value of the others is way ahead. But agri still accounts for about 9% of Irish exports and jobs.

[zorrow424]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Recently there was Nauseus who claimed that because 40 percent of its agricultural exports went to the UK, that was critical for Ireland

There was Bamboozle who seemed to believe that the Northern Ireland was better run than southern Ireland.

Then there was Zorrow424 who claimed that Ireland's biggest export market was the UK. Bigger than the EU.

 

All this in less than 24 hours.

 

Did I really?,show me.  Ireland is finished,all the wiki facts and figures are relative to past, now (as UKs determination to use Aussie and NZ produce cancels out ireland (biggest market UK),and what cancels out ireland further, is the only way ireland can shift produce is via ferry ,massively expensive.

  That big thick daft <deleted>  irelands pm stated Britain now wants to remain in EU,really?  bye bye 24 days to go  bye bye

[zorrow424]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I know. The value of the others is way ahead. But agri still accounts for about 9% of Irish exports and jobs.

that includes 11,or is it 14 billion to Brussels in unpaid tax      but not to worry  coming UKs way

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Monomial said:

 

Actually, I don't think that is exactly true. In fact, the UK has already implied that they will not impose border checks on their side of the border. The UK, being totally in control of what they can commit to, is actually fully able to continue the terms of the GFA if they so desire. The problem is on the Ireland side of the border. They will be forced into a position where they have conflicting agreements. They can either honour the GFA, or honour their commitments to the EU, but not both. They will be forced into breaking the GFA, and that is why they are pushing so hard to stop this.  The UK has room to maneuver after a hard brexit. Ireland, as part of the EU, will be hamstrung.

 

The consequence is the same, but it will technically be Ireland that must abandon the GFA in a hard brexit.  Eire could always choose to quit the EU along with the UK and not break the GFA.  They won't, but that option is there for them.

 

Plus they'd be better off long-term.

[DannyCarlton]

3 minutes ago, zorrow424 said:

That big thick daft <deleted>  irelands pm stated Britain now wants to remain in EU,really?  bye bye 24 days to go  bye bye

Well if that isn't the sound of abject Brexiteer desperation, I don't know what is.

[zorrow424]

10 minutes ago, samran said:

Why would the Irish be worried? As the Brexiters keep telling us, no borders will be put up.

 

Going the other direction, on the other hand will be painful for British exporters who are all of a sudden going to have to deal with EU agriculture rules and tariffs. Good luck sorting that with a ‘quick and easy’ trade deal. 

Borders are going up,no worries there,part of Boris planning,and EU are putting them there,paying for it too.   24 days to go  ha ha  UK can get shut of eire  like <deleted> off a shovel

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, puipuitom said:

This amount easily comes out of the import duty into the EU of UK goods. 

Lot of stuff there could be cheaper in the UK then. Thanks!

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, puipuitom said:

First of all: English rule did not bring much to Northern Ireland nor the other occupied areas on the "British" Isles:

According to Eurostat figures there are huge regional disparities in the UK with GDP per capita. There are 26 areas in the UK where the GDP per person is under £14,500 (€20,000)

.1 million (60% of Northern Irish) live in these deprived Northern Irish districts. 3 of these in Northern Ireland: Outer Belfast, North of Northern Ireland, West & South of Northern Ireland.

1.4 million (45% of Welsh) live in these deprived Welsh districts.

1.1 million (20% of Scottish) live in these deprived Scottish districts

4.5 million (8.5% of English) live in these deprived English districts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Northern_Ireland.

Time to throw out these English parasites.

 

Second: Minor question: Where the UK wants to get their ( mostly fresh) agri goods then from ? Especially with less "Eat-Europeans"to wok in their farms, pick fruits, vegetables etc? Maybe the Inner-London West are going to do the jobs ?  Or: import from Canada, Nw Zealand ? Or.. simply .. eat less "fresh"?

 

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/agri-food-exports-to-uk-hold-firm-under-brexit-cloud/

The UK accounted for €4.5 billion – an increase of 2% compared to 2017 – despite the tail effects of significant currency challenges in 2017. ( Another word for: downfall of the GBP compared with the €uro) 

 

The Irish succeeded to increase their exports to other destinations then the UK already

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/irish-agri-food-exports-dip-4-to-e12-billion-in-2018/

However, in 2018 22% of cheese exports were destined for countries outside of the UK and continental Europe – a significant increase from 17% in 2010.

In 2018 the value of cheese exports to Asia and to North America increased 12% and 35% respectively to a total value of €75 million.

https://www.bordbia.ie/industry/sector-profiles/facts-irish-agriculture-food-drink-sector/

 

 

That's a lot of Irish stew thar boy!

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, zorrow424 said:

Borders are going up,no worries there,part of Boris planning,and EU are putting them there,paying for it too.   24 days to go  ha ha  UK can get shut of eire  like <deleted> off a shovel

I was wrong. Even more desperation in this post! Love it.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Recently there was Nauseus who claimed that because 40 percent of its agricultural exports went to the UK, that was critical for Ireland

There was Bamboozle who seemed to believe that the Northern Ireland was better run than southern Ireland.

Then there was Zorrow424 who claimed that Ireland's biggest export market was the UK. Bigger than the EU.

 

All this in less than 24 hours.

 

In this deteriorating economic climate, then the preservation of any amount of jobs and exports is critical to any nation. The Irish do actually realise this, even of you don't. I was not referring to any historical event or period.

[nauseus]

23 minutes ago, samran said:

Why would the Irish be worried? As the Brexiters keep telling us, no borders will be put up.

 

Going the other direction, on the other hand will be painful for British exporters who are all of a sudden going to have to deal with EU agriculture rules and tariffs. Good luck sorting that with a ‘quick and easy’ trade deal. 

That's the UK position but the EU will preserve its precious economic border to keep its protection racket alive at any cost! These EU pillars are too rigid and will come crashing down one day.

[zorrow424]

11 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Well if that isn't the sound of abject Brexiteer desperation, I don't know what is.

Sunshine  24 short days to go,more like 23 now and clock is ticking,out is out,no more EU   ,but EU will be wetting themselves at what they and ireland have got themselves into      backstop was the finest instrument at UKs advantage that could ever have been played

 Now it is being played out,a finer outcome could not even be imagined,    just well done,so damned well done the UK  defeated them all

[DannyCarlton]

12 minutes ago, zorrow424 said:

Sunshine  24 short days to go,more like 23 now and clock is ticking,out is out,no more EU   ,but EU will be wetting themselves at what they and ireland have got themselves into      backstop was the finest instrument at UKs advantage that could ever have been played

 Now it is being played out,a finer outcome could not even be imagined,    just well done,so damned well done the UK  defeated them all

I heard "24 days to go" in March and we're still here. Bookies are offering good odds against us leaving on October 31st. Why don't you put your money on it? better still wait a while and you will get even better odds as they are lenthening every day. You should get 1 zillion to 1 on October 20th.

 

Dip your bread in.

 

BTW. You will be in exhalted company if you do have a flutter, Moggy and Johnson's backers have placed serious money on the British exconomy crashing which, of course is dependant on the UK crashing out of the UK on October 31st.

 

 

Edited October 7, 2019 by DannyCarlton

[zorrow424]

3 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I heard "24 days to go" in March and we're still here. Bookies are offering good odds against us leaving on October 31st. Why don't you put your money on it? better still wait a while and you will get even better odds as they are lenthening every day. You should get 1 zillion to 1 on October 20th.

 

Dip your bread in.

You could just about hold your breath on this one,but then you have lost,it is all over for you,those tears of yours will be rolling in just over a few more weeks,its over sunshine,let it all go,you won nothing,but just one more long slog for the likes of you,finished,kaput,flag waving stuff coming up,...it sure feels good, and you  ?desperation takes hold,determined as ever it was not going to happen,well it is ,  final post in sight  go cry

[longtom]

Sunshine  24 short days to go,more like 23 now and clock is ticking,out is out,no more EU   ,but EU will be wetting themselves at what they and ireland have got themselves into      backstop was the finest instrument at UKs advantage that could ever have been played
 Now it is being played out,a finer outcome could not even be imagined,    just well done,so damned well done the UK  defeated them all

I hope you will still be around in 1,2,3 years time when all your wonderful predictions come to fruition. Or not.

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[zorrow424]

16 minutes ago, longtom said:

I hope you will still be around in 1,2,3 years time when all your wonderful predictions come to fruition. Or not.

Sent from my BG2-U03 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

good times ahead for UK  no doubt there.  EU will have the problems and they are looming right now. Germany sees another million refugees arriving shortly,want to spread the pain around the EU (not UK)

  3 and a half million EU citizens in UK  ,you could bet most on minimum hours for maximum benefits,all got rid of,the irish tinkers that blight the countryside,got rid of too. EU dictated EU rough sleeper had to stay in UK,another blight got rid of,plus plus plus   no 93 billion deficit to EU either,why its a win win win win situation here  and Boris has 39 billion of their money too,could sit on our backsides for years with this windfall   cheers   thumbs up,as we say

Edited October 7, 2019 by zorrow424

[samran]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

That's the UK position but the EU will preserve its precious economic border to keep its protection racket alive at any cost! These EU pillars are too rigid and will come crashing down one day.

Well, the 'land of hope and glory' crew made a big song and dance about secure borders in the lead up to the referendum. But when others want to do the same, its a racket? Gimme a break.

Edited October 7, 2019 by samran

[Jip99]

1 minute ago, samran said:

Well, the 'land of hope and glory' crew made a big song and dance about secure borders in the lead up to the referendum. But when others want to do the same, its a racket? Gimme a break.

 

 

Can you be more specific about your ‘land of hope and glory’ crew. To whom are you exactly referring and what evidence do you have to support your statement.

 

I don’t recall reading anything about ‘secure borders’ leading up to the referendum..... again, evidence please.

[nauseus]

20 minutes ago, samran said:

Well, the 'land of hope and glory' crew made a big song and dance about secure borders in the lead up to the referendum. But when others want to do the same, its a racket? Gimme a break.

Not the same issue. You know that.

[samran]

23 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Can you be more specific about your ‘land of hope and glory’ crew. To whom are you exactly referring and what evidence do you have to support your statement.

 

I don’t recall reading anything about ‘secure borders’ leading up to the referendum..... again, evidence please.

Here a line you might have heard...’let’s take back control’.

 

What was that referring to?

Edited October 7, 2019 by samran

[samran]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Not the same issue. You know that.

A border is a border. You can’t want one and not expect others not to want them. 

[bristolboy]

2 hours ago, zorrow424 said:

good times ahead for UK  no doubt there.  EU will have the problems and they are looming right now. Germany sees another million refugees arriving shortly,want to spread the pain around the EU (not UK)

  3 and a half million EU citizens in UK  ,you could bet most on minimum hours for maximum benefits,all got rid of,the irish tinkers that blight the countryside,got rid of too. EU dictated EU rough sleeper had to stay in UK,another blight got rid of,plus plus plus   no 93 billion deficit to EU either,why its a win win win win situation here  and Boris has 39 billion of their money too,could sit on our backsides for years with this windfall   cheers   thumbs up,as we say

You seem unable to understand that the 39 billion figure included the payments that the UK would have had to make during 2018 and 2019 were it no longer a member. This was predicated on the UK leaving on the originally scheduled date. But since 2019 is almost over and the UK has continued to pay its dues you can subtract close to half of that 39 billion figure

[bristolboy]

3 hours ago, zorrow424 said:

Did I really?,show me.  Ireland is finished,all the wiki facts and figures are relative to past, now (as UKs determination to use Aussie and NZ produce cancels out ireland (biggest market UK),and what cancels out ireland further, is the only way ireland can shift produce is via ferry ,massively expensive.

  That big thick daft <deleted>  irelands pm stated Britain now wants to remain in EU,really?  bye bye 24 days to go  bye bye

Yes I got wrong what you got wrong. But what you did get wrong was even worse. You claimed that Ireland's living standards would fall by more than 15% after Brexit. (see post $40)

Irish exports to the UK don't even constitute 1 percent of its GDP. How does that become a decline in living standards of greater than 15%?

And the UK is going to import all the agricultural products it imports from Ireland no matter what the cost? Presumably after Brexit the UK will still be running or more or less free market principles. 

And how much more is NI going to cost the UK. It's already being subsidized to the tune of 11 billion pounds per year. Ya think Brexit is going to help the NI economy? 

Edited October 7, 2019 by bristolboy