Jomtien Condo Owners Sue For Sea View

[OneMikeInBangkok]

If I were to place a wager, I'd bet that View Talay will continue with the complex as designed. There's simply too much money at stake to abandon the plans. If they would happen to be forced to stop construction, they would certainly have grounds to recover money spent already from whoever approved the plans to start with. Planning boards do NOT make mistakes even if they are VERY obviously wrong.

How on Earth can View Talay sue City Hall for losses resulting from an illegally issued building permit?

It's like a small time drug dealer taking to court a big time time drug dealer because the herion he was sold was cut with talcum powder - it don't happen

Needless discussion.

Not so sure Needless is the word

The fact that the co-defendants in this case (View Talay & City Hall) seem to have done a deal that is mutualy beneficial to both these parties and to the detriment of Jomtien Complex seems to be at the CENTRE of this issue.

To think that maybe in the future these two litigants end up doing battle in the courts over a bribe that went wrong is amusing at best - ridiculous at worse

So yes NEEDLESS discussion as this is NOT going to happen.

[JMS]

The plot thickens......time for someone to stir the pot......any takers ?

Our friend from Regatta appears to be quiet of late. I wonder if that's quiet confidence or quiet dread.

There's no need for me to comment, Ground Engineer is doing very well and relaying the facts correctly.

As there is a lull in the VT7 debate I would like to ask Mark why Indochine still owe monet to purchases of Regent Pratunmak condos.

Also why were we ripped off at the outset.

Anybody thinking of purchasing anything from this Company should think again

Got a question for you mate

What company do you work for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not work

No answer Mark.Signs of guilt I think

Can I ask Newbie to clarify something. Of course nobody should ever believe anything anyone ever says on these forums, as many celebrated Pattaya sh*tstirrers with not much better to do waste time winding people up on them, but can Newbie - for the sake of his own credibility - clarify the difference between his two comments:

1. Made on 15 May - that "a friend of mine (no really)" had bought in Regent and

2. Made on 23 August - that "we" had been ripped off

Which is it - you or your mate, "mate"? I think we should be told.

15 May is nothing to do with me, that must be one of the many you, sorry, Indochine ripped off. And while we are on the subject why have you still not refunded all the money that you took illegally

[brooklynbridge]

The plot thickens......time for someone to stir the pot......any takers ?

Our friend from Regatta appears to be quiet of late. I wonder if that's quiet confidence or quiet dread.

There's no need for me to comment, Ground Engineer is doing very well and relaying the facts correctly.

As there is a lull in the VT7 debate I would like to ask Mark why Indochine still owe monet to purchases of Regent Pratunmak condos.

Also why were we ripped off at the outset.

Anybody thinking of purchasing anything from this Company should think again

Got a question for you mate

What company do you work for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not work

No answer Mark.Signs of guilt I think

Can I ask Newbie to clarify something. Of course nobody should ever believe anything anyone ever says on these forums, as many celebrated Pattaya sh*tstirrers with not much better to do waste time winding people up on them, but can Newbie - for the sake of his own credibility - clarify the difference between his two comments:

1. Made on 15 May - that "a friend of mine (no really)" had bought in Regent and

2. Made on 23 August - that "we" had been ripped off

Which is it - you or your mate, "mate"? I think we should be told.

15 May is nothing to do with me, that must be one of the many you, sorry, Indochine ripped off. And while we are on the subject why have you still not refunded all the money that you took illegally

This subtopic keeps coming up and coming up. It would seem that Indochine still has not refunded the money they owe the Regent Pratumnak owners they overcharged. But Mark Bowling said over a month ago that they had been paid back.

I'm always suspicious of people who use the word "mate" on this forum. Don't know why. Some of my best friends are Australian.

Edited August 29, 2007 by brooklynbridge

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name='brooklynbridge' date='2007-08-29 19:51:30' post='1505373']

I'm always suspicious of people who use the word "mate" on this forum. Don't know why. Some of my best friends are Australian.

i agree mate

[JaiDeeFarang]

The plot thickens......time for someone to stir the pot......any takers ?

Our friend from Regatta appears to be quiet of late. I wonder if that's quiet confidence or quiet dread.

There's no need for me to comment, Ground Engineer is doing very well and relaying the facts correctly.

As there is a lull in the VT7 debate I would like to ask Mark why Indochine still owe monet to purchases of Regent Pratunmak condos.

Also why were we ripped off at the outset.

Anybody thinking of purchasing anything from this Company should think again

Got a question for you mate

What company do you work for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not work

No answer Mark.Signs of guilt I think

Can I ask Newbie to clarify something. Of course nobody should ever believe anything anyone ever says on these forums, as many celebrated Pattaya sh*tstirrers with not much better to do waste time winding people up on them, but can Newbie - for the sake of his own credibility - clarify the difference between his two comments:

1. Made on 15 May - that "a friend of mine (no really)" had bought in Regent and

2. Made on 23 August - that "we" had been ripped off

Which is it - you or your mate, "mate"? I think we should be told.

15 May is nothing to do with me, that must be one of the many you, sorry, Indochine ripped off. And while we are on the subject why have you still not refunded all the money that you took illegally

This subtopic keeps coming up and coming up. It would seem that Indochine still has not refunded the money they owe the Regent Pratumnak owners they overcharged. But Mark Bowling said over a month ago that they had been paid back.

I'm always suspicious of people who use the word "mate" on this forum. Don't know why. Some of my best friends are Australian.

Sorry if I'm wrong but as a newcomer to this site and as a View talay investor I'm more concerned about my money in that project than anything else. Does anyone truthfully know what is going on at the moment? It appears to me that there is much gossip and stirring going on but no one is agreeing on what is happening with regards to VT. Personally I don't care about jomtien complex only my money if you want to keep your sea view buy in view talay.

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More to the point. This is Thailand and its rules and enforcement of rules

are different to the countries we come from.

If companies can make a profit, then expect just that.

If that means you get one more tower block built in front of yours a few years down the road, then its tuff luck.

Same as the people that get involved with land, companies, houses.

don’t be surprised if you get stuffed over a few years down the road because you have circumvented the law in the first place.

Also you buy a house!!!!!!, so what if some guy opens a karaoke bar or a car repair

Shop right next door. This is Thailand it will be like this for ever. Get used to it.

I wont even go into the corruption stuff.

As people have said before.

Don’t invest any money in Thailand if your not prepaired to loose it in some way.

Stop crying.

But in my opinion you won’t loose your money in the VT projects it’s just a question of time. But that just me, and my small understanding of the way it works over here.

after 10 years.

Have a nice day

[OneMikeInBangkok]

The plot thickens......time for someone to stir the pot......any takers ?

Our friend from Regatta appears to be quiet of late. I wonder if that's quiet confidence or quiet dread.

There's no need for me to comment, Ground Engineer is doing very well and relaying the facts correctly.

As there is a lull in the VT7 debate I would like to ask Mark why Indochine still owe monet to purchases of Regent Pratunmak condos.

Also why were we ripped off at the outset.

Anybody thinking of purchasing anything from this Company should think again

Got a question for you mate

What company do you work for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not work

No answer Mark.Signs of guilt I think

Can I ask Newbie to clarify something. Of course nobody should ever believe anything anyone ever says on these forums, as many celebrated Pattaya sh*tstirrers with not much better to do waste time winding people up on them, but can Newbie - for the sake of his own credibility - clarify the difference between his two comments:

1. Made on 15 May - that "a friend of mine (no really)" had bought in Regent and

2. Made on 23 August - that "we" had been ripped off

Which is it - you or your mate, "mate"? I think we should be told.

15 May is nothing to do with me, that must be one of the many you, sorry, Indochine ripped off. And while we are on the subject why have you still not refunded all the money that you took illegally

This subtopic keeps coming up and coming up. It would seem that Indochine still has not refunded the money they owe the Regent Pratumnak owners they overcharged. But Mark Bowling said over a month ago that they had been paid back.

I'm always suspicious of people who use the word "mate" on this forum. Don't know why. Some of my best friends are Australian.

Sorry if I'm wrong but as a newcomer to this site and as a View talay investor I'm more concerned about my money in that project than anything else. Does anyone truthfully know what is going on at the moment? It appears to me that there is much gossip and stirring going on but no one is agreeing on what is happening with regards to VT. Personally I don't care about jomtien complex only my money if you want to keep your sea view buy in view talay.

Before investing your money did you get good advice?

I am sorry I have NO sympathy whatsoever for you.

You are crying in your beer because you are going to lose your money - but you don't care about the Jomtien Complex owners who stand to lose millions.

Jomtien Complex followed the THAI LAW and built over 200 meters from the beach. Thy are guaranteed sea views because nothing over 14 meters can be built in front of Jomtien Complex - THAT IS THE THAI LAW.

So View Talay conspire with City Hall to issue an illegal permit. Now they have been caught with their pants down.

Did you consult a lawyer before you invested in VT7?

If so I suggest sueing your lawyer.

If you bought through an agent then try sueing them

If you took your own advice then try sueing yourself

If you took View Talay's advice then try sueing them.

Do you realise thar as an OWNER in an illegal project - you could be sued

There are other projects like VT5 that could be took to court and the OWNERS sued possibly having their buildings demolished and losing everything. I personally doubt this will happen - but you never know.

All these people/companies should have checked the law before starting/investing in this project. The law is VERY clear

- good luck

[OhdLover]

The topic is running into a what ..if .. then .. else .. blabla.

I suggest people post when they have something important to share, facts or scheduled events about VT7.

We all know there is a group in favor of JC and one in favor of VT.

Both are pretty sure they will win.

Let's concentrate on the facts.

[sharecropper]

The topic is running into a what ..if .. then .. else .. blabla.

I suggest people post when they have something important to share, facts or scheduled events about VT7.

We all know there is a group in favor of JC and one in favor of VT.

Both are pretty sure they will win.

Let's concentrate on the facts.

FACT - VT7 - this erection is going up faster than a first time tourist's in Pattaya on a viagra overdose. It will be the most expensive 4 storey building anywhere but won't fall down in an earthquake with all that piling.

Or, as the cynic in me thinks - regardless of the law, this is a done deal and it will go all the way.

[OneMikeInBangkok]

The topic is running into a what ..if .. then .. else .. blabla.

I suggest people post when they have something important to share, facts or scheduled events about VT7.

We all know there is a group in favor of JC and one in favor of VT.

Both are pretty sure they will win.

Let's concentrate on the facts.

FACT - VT7 - this erection is going up faster than a first time tourist's in Pattaya on a viagra overdose. It will be the most expensive 4 storey building anywhere but won't fall down in an earthquake with all that piling.

Or, as the cynic in me thinks - regardless of the law, this is a done deal and it will go all the way.

I quite agree with the two groups - there is always two sides to a story

However I would classify the two groups differently

One group in favour of VT (cause they spent a lot of money buying a piece of pie in the sky)

One group in favour of Thai Law

I love the Viagra comparison - only we all know what happens when the effect of the pill wears off and you are left with either a limpy or a deposit slip for a VT7 condo - same same

Oh sorry facts and news

They just delivered new sections for the cranes on VT7 site - seems like VT7 is looking for a bigger erection. Two workers just took a piss against one of the foundation pillars. One just took a crap in the future entranceway or maybe it was a lady construction worker taking a piss - my eyes are not so good. One set of concrete shuttering fell off the first floor just missing a group of workers.

It was just a few days before the last time they stopped construction that a load of re-bar fell from the crane and killed instantly a worker below.

[JaiDeeFarang]

The topic is running into a what ..if .. then .. else .. blabla.

I suggest people post when they have something important to share, facts or scheduled events about VT7.

We all know there is a group in favor of JC and one in favor of VT.

Both are pretty sure they will win.

Let's concentrate on the facts.

FACT - VT7 - this erection is going up faster than a first time tourist's in Pattaya on a viagra overdose. It will be the most expensive 4 storey building anywhere but won't fall down in an earthquake with all that piling.

Or, as the cynic in me thinks - regardless of the law, this is a done deal and it will go all the way.

I agree though you never know, it's my lawyers understanding that nothing over 14 metres can be built within 100 meters of the MSL and that the building may only cover 25% of the site. Over 100 meters a 23 metre building can be built without having to apply for an environmental licence anything over 23 metres and you have to apply for something I understand is called an E.I.A, environmental licence I believe. If this is the case VT7 should go ahead as planned as they hold all necessary documents, I believe it is just 'on stop' at the moment and going through the Thai motions of nobody actually being seen to make a decision, but I keep my fingers crossed that a decision will soon be made in favor of VT. I don't think I can actually sue anyone at the moment because there is work being done on site.

[OneMikeInBangkok]

The topic is running into a what ..if .. then .. else .. blabla.

I suggest people post when they have something important to share, facts or scheduled events about VT7.

We all know there is a group in favor of JC and one in favor of VT.

Both are pretty sure they will win.

Let's concentrate on the facts.

FACT - VT7 - this erection is going up faster than a first time tourist's in Pattaya on a viagra overdose. It will be the most expensive 4 storey building anywhere but won't fall down in an earthquake with all that piling.

Or, as the cynic in me thinks - regardless of the law, this is a done deal and it will go all the way.

I agree though you never know, it's my lawyers understanding that nothing over 14 metres can be built within 100 meters of the MSL and that the building may only cover 25% of the site. Over 100 meters a 23 metre building can be built without having to apply for an environmental licence anything over 23 metres and you have to apply for something I understand is called an E.I.A, environmental licence I believe. If this is the case VT7 should go ahead as planned as they hold all necessary documents, I believe it is just 'on stop' at the moment and going through the Thai motions of nobody actually being seen to make a decision, but I keep my fingers crossed that a decision will soon be made in favor of VT. I don't think I can actually sue anyone at the moment because there is work being done on site.

I fear your lawyer is either looking at the OLD law - it was updated to 200 meters two years after the OLD version or he works for city hall.

The Administrative Court in Rayong and The Supreme Court in Bangkok of course have a copy of the law in force right now.

The Admin court stopped all work on VT7 until the 200 meter mark was established accurately

I repeat - the 200 meter mark was established accurately

NOT the 100 meter mark - why should they seek to measure 100 meters when the law as they see it written on paper in the desk in front of them says 200 meters.

Later the Supreme court in Bangkok - also with the 200 meter law on paper in front of them agreed with the ruling of the Administration court in Rayong. However they deemed it only fair that View Talay be allowed to build up to the legal limit of 14 meters high which IS allowed.

The final ruling is now down to the Administration Court in Rayong. This ruling hinges on the where is the 200 meter mark. View Talay already admited they measured to the 100 meter mark as per the building permit. So we know where View Talay stands and we know where VT7 stands.

Case over - to my eyes

There are other alternatives but as a previous poster stated we should not be going into "what ifs" and stick to the facts

The fact is simple

View Talay 7 is not illegal as of this very moment (although arguably the building permit maybe)

The moment they go over 14 meters (If they dare to disobey the Supreme Court and the Administrative court) then they will be in deep shit. Even Taksin and the TRT party did not dare go against the Administrative Court so I can't see View Talay disobaying them.

By the way I suggest you get a new lawyer who knows what he is talking about. There is a list of GOOD lawyers in Bangkok here. Or maybe - just hopefully you consulted your lawyer before you invested in VT7, and got his advice in writing, then you may have just cause to sue your lawyer for giving bad advice. Not that he would be daft enough to put anything in writing

[JaiDeeFarang]

The topic is running into a what ..if .. then .. else .. blabla.

I suggest people post when they have something important to share, facts or scheduled events about VT7.

We all know there is a group in favor of JC and one in favor of VT.

Both are pretty sure they will win.

Let's concentrate on the facts.

FACT - VT7 - this erection is going up faster than a first time tourist's in Pattaya on a viagra overdose. It will be the most expensive 4 storey building anywhere but won't fall down in an earthquake with all that piling.

Or, as the cynic in me thinks - regardless of the law, this is a done deal and it will go all the way.

I agree though you never know, it's my lawyers understanding that nothing over 14 metres can be built within 100 meters of the MSL and that the building may only cover 25% of the site. Over 100 meters a 23 metre building can be built without having to apply for an environmental licence anything over 23 metres and you have to apply for something I understand is called an E.I.A, environmental licence I believe. If this is the case VT7 should go ahead as planned as they hold all necessary documents, I believe it is just 'on stop' at the moment and going through the Thai motions of nobody actually being seen to make a decision, but I keep my fingers crossed that a decision will soon be made in favor of VT. I don't think I can actually sue anyone at the moment because there is work being done on site.

I fear your lawyer is either looking at the OLD law - it was updated to 200 meters two years after the OLD version or he works for city hall.

The Administrative Court in Rayong and The Supreme Court in Bangkok of course have a copy of the law in force right now.

The Admin court stopped all work on VT7 until the 200 meter mark was established accurately

I repeat - the 200 meter mark was established accurately

NOT the 100 meter mark - why should they seek to measure 100 meters when the law as they see it written on paper in the desk in front of them says 200 meters.

Later the Supreme court in Bangkok - also with the 200 meter law on paper in front of them agreed with the ruling of the Administration court in Rayong. However they deemed it only fair that View Talay be allowed to build up to the legal limit of 14 meters high which IS allowed.

The final ruling is now down to the Administration Court in Rayong. This ruling hinges on the where is the 200 meter mark. View Talay already admited they measured to the 100 meter mark as per the building permit. So we know where View Talay stands and we know where VT7 stands.

Case over - to my eyes

There are other alternatives but as a previous poster stated we should not be going into "what ifs" and stick to the facts

The fact is simple

View Talay 7 is not illegal as of this very moment (although arguably the building permit maybe)

The moment they go over 14 meters (If they dare to disobey the Supreme Court and the Administrative court) then they will be in deep shit. Even Taksin and the TRT party did not dare go against the Administrative Court so I can't see View Talay disobaying them.

By the way I suggest you get a new lawyer who knows what he is talking about. There is a list of GOOD lawyers in Bangkok here. Or maybe - just hopefully you consulted your lawyer before you invested in VT7, and got his advice in writing, then you may have just cause to sue your lawyer for giving bad advice. Not that he would be daft enough to put anything in writing

If the law is as you say it is then why are so many high rise condos in Pattaya built less than 200 metres away from the MSL? Surely they can't all be condemed and knocked down?

[ThaiBob]

The topic is running into a what ..if .. then .. else .. blabla.

I suggest people post when they have something important to share, facts or scheduled events about VT7.

We all know there is a group in favor of JC and one in favor of VT.

Both are pretty sure they will win.

Let's concentrate on the facts.

FACT - VT7 - this erection is going up faster than a first time tourist's in Pattaya on a viagra overdose. It will be the most expensive 4 storey building anywhere but won't fall down in an earthquake with all that piling.

Or, as the cynic in me thinks - regardless of the law, this is a done deal and it will go all the way.

I agree though you never know, it's my lawyers understanding that nothing over 14 metres can be built within 100 meters of the MSL and that the building may only cover 25% of the site. Over 100 meters a 23 metre building can be built without having to apply for an environmental licence anything over 23 metres and you have to apply for something I understand is called an E.I.A, environmental licence I believe. If this is the case VT7 should go ahead as planned as they hold all necessary documents, I believe it is just 'on stop' at the moment and going through the Thai motions of nobody actually being seen to make a decision, but I keep my fingers crossed that a decision will soon be made in favor of VT. I don't think I can actually sue anyone at the moment because there is work being done on site.

I fear your lawyer is either looking at the OLD law - it was updated to 200 meters two years after the OLD version or he works for city hall.

The Administrative Court in Rayong and The Supreme Court in Bangkok of course have a copy of the law in force right now.

The Admin court stopped all work on VT7 until the 200 meter mark was established accurately

I repeat - the 200 meter mark was established accurately

NOT the 100 meter mark - why should they seek to measure 100 meters when the law as they see it written on paper in the desk in front of them says 200 meters.

Later the Supreme court in Bangkok - also with the 200 meter law on paper in front of them agreed with the ruling of the Administration court in Rayong. However they deemed it only fair that View Talay be allowed to build up to the legal limit of 14 meters high which IS allowed.

The final ruling is now down to the Administration Court in Rayong. This ruling hinges on the where is the 200 meter mark. View Talay already admited they measured to the 100 meter mark as per the building permit. So we know where View Talay stands and we know where VT7 stands.

Case over - to my eyes

There are other alternatives but as a previous poster stated we should not be going into "what ifs" and stick to the facts

The fact is simple

View Talay 7 is not illegal as of this very moment (although arguably the building permit maybe)

The moment they go over 14 meters (If they dare to disobey the Supreme Court and the Administrative court) then they will be in deep shit. Even Taksin and the TRT party did not dare go against the Administrative Court so I can't see View Talay disobaying them.

By the way I suggest you get a new lawyer who knows what he is talking about. There is a list of GOOD lawyers in Bangkok here. Or maybe - just hopefully you consulted your lawyer before you invested in VT7, and got his advice in writing, then you may have just cause to sue your lawyer for giving bad advice. Not that he would be daft enough to put anything in writing

If the law is as you say it is then why are so many high rise condos in Pattaya built less than 200 metres away from the MSL? Surely they can't all be condemed and knocked down?

Yes, and thank you JaiDeeFarang. Also, if the facts were as clear as MIB states the Court would have ruled in JCC's favor on August 8 since City of Pattaya and VT concede they are near no way near the 200 meter mark no matter how one measures the MSL. Do you think Northpoint would have started construction if their project was not legal?

[OneMikeInBangkok]

Yes, and thank you JaiDeeFarang. Also, if the facts were as clear as MIB states the Court would have ruled in JCC's favor on August 8 since City of Pattaya and VT concede they are near no way near the 200 meter mark no matter how one measures the MSL. Do you think Northpoint would have started construction if their project was not legal?

This list has been posted before

“Ocean Portofino” 40 meters

“The Sail” 100 meters

“La Royale Beach” 150 meters

“Musselana” 7 meters (that right 7 meters)

“The Regatta” on Dongtan Beach 75 meters

View Talay Condominium Project 7 ? 100 meters from mean sea level

View Talay Condominium Project 8 100 meters

View Talay Condominium Project 6

View Talay Condominium Project 3 80 meters from mean sea level

View Talay Condominium Project 5 100 meters from mean sea level

“Northpoint” 100 meters

“Ananya” 100 meters

Notice how a dissproportionate proportion of these start with the letter V

There are not so many condo blocks built "too close" to the beach

Why has nothing been said before?

Don't believe that - plenty has been said before but no-one has had the balls to stand up to City Hall and the property developers.

Jomtien Condotel (sorry if the name is wrong) started proceedings against VT5 a couple or three years ago.

They were

1. Fobbed off by City Hall - to cover their backs

2. Warned off by VT threatening a counter suit

Jomtien Complex also started way before building started.

I don't want to go into details but enough "pressure" was applied that the original folks backed off.

On the list above

The Sails - Construction halted - more controversy with a dancing game of change the partners being played right now

The Regent - I believe on hold - the condo behind ready to slap on a law suit if they have not already.

Some other big names (temporarily pausing) construction

Hua Hin totally halting any issuing of permits inside the 200 meter limit.

Why did they not rule on the 8th?

Simple

There needs to be a definitive to the inch definition of exactly where 200 meter mark is.

Now I don't know exactly - the court doesn't know exactly - that's what we are waiting for.

La Royale - not so sure - I looked carefully at that project - I think the low rise in front is fine and the main towers set back - I could be wrong.

There is another further down the beach - 8 stories - and if I am not wrong built by the same mob as the proposed The Regent.

So just because someone else managed somehow (don't ask me how) to get "permission" then that doesn't mean a hop skip and a jump to the decion of the judges.

Hands up those who are thinking of buying a condo that sits over 14 meter high 100 meters from the beach. For all those lucky buyers VT will throw in a free holiday in Baghdad. Sorry you got to bring your own flack jackets.

[JaiDeeFarang]

As I understand La Royale, Sails & Ocean Portofino do not come under the same local authority of those others you just mentioned. I'm informed they come under Sattahip Muang and the regulations are not the same as those in Pattaya. As I was also interested in buying a unit in regatta to 'flip', I approached the developers of regatta and was told that it is 100 metres from the MSL, not 75 as you state. I've decide to put that on hold until all is made clear and several of my friends say the same thing. Can I ask where you got these measurements from? From what I can see they're all roughly 100 metres from the MSL, which is as I stated before the distance that you are allowed to build anything over 23 metres. I just can't believe that all these developers would go to the trouble of obtaining a permit, setting up a showroom, spend fortunes on marketing and not know the law which governs their developments in the first place. Don't forget these people do it for a living and would obviously seek advice from profesional attorneys who no doubt carry out due dilligence on a site before they went to all that trouble. You're telling me that a group of guys running around stirring up trouble know more about the thai legal system than a professional development company and their no doubt highly paid lawyer? I have spoken with VT this afternoon demanding to know what is going on and was assured that everyting will go ahead as planned. Also as someone stated previously if it's so obvious that VT7 is only 100 and not 200 metres from the MSL why didn't they rule against it there and then? There is no way on earth they would allow it, but they didn't say no did they? It really looks like you're fighting and losing battle on this one. My advice would be move to Hua Hin, they seem to be the only people in LOS who actually agree with you!

[OneMikeInBangkok]

As I understand La Royale, Sails & Ocean Portofino do not come under the same local authority of those others you just mentioned. I'm informed they come under Sattahip Muang and the regulations are not the same as those in Pattaya. As I was also interested in buying a unit in regatta to 'flip', I approached the developers of regatta and was told that it is 100 metres from the MSL, not 75 as you state. I've decide to put that on hold until all is made clear and several of my friends say the same thing. Can I ask where you got these measurements from? From what I can see they're all roughly 100 metres from the MSL, which is as I stated before the distance that you are allowed to build anything over 23 metres. I just can't believe that all these developers would go to the trouble of obtaining a permit, setting up a showroom, spend fortunes on marketing and not know the law which governs their developments in the first place. Don't forget these people do it for a living and would obviously seek advice from profesional attorneys who no doubt carry out due dilligence on a site before they went to all that trouble. You're telling me that a group of guys running around stirring up trouble know more about the thai legal system than a professional development company and their no doubt highly paid lawyer? I have spoken with VT this afternoon demanding to know what is going on and was assured that everyting will go ahead as planned. Also as someone stated previously if it's so obvious that VT7 is only 100 and not 200 metres from the MSL why didn't they rule against it there and then? There is no way on earth they would allow it, but they didn't say no did they? It really looks like you're fighting and losing battle on this one. My advice would be move to Hua Hin, they seem to be the only people in LOS who actually agree with you!

Not my measurements - came from this board weeks ago - aparantly there are some other folks concerned also.

Who else agrees with me

Well let's start with

The Judges at Administrative Court

The JUdges at The Supreme Court

The Mayor of Pattaya

Several Property developers who have delayed, stalled their projects

All the Property developers who have built hundreds of condo blocks around Thailand at 200 meters back.

The 200 Meter Law is not a local law, a local by-law as we call it in The UK - it is a National law.

They didn't say no - they didn't say yes

They are waiting for an official measurement to acertain the EXACT measure of 200 meter

Why did they do it

Cause they thought they could get away with it!!!!!!

They have a small parcel of land close to the beach and the greedy b.... want to make money - nowt wrong with making money

You can sell Cocaine and make lots of money, many people sell cocaine and make a lot of money - don't mean that selling cocaine is legal does it?

As for me - why move to Hua Hin?

I am quite happy in Pattaya - I wasn't daft enough to buy a condo on the beach

Sounds like if anyone has got probs it's you

You spoke to View Talay and DEMANDED to know what is going on

Why did you DEMAND and not ask politely?

Of course you believed them

You believed them when you listened to the salesman

Did you listen to your lawyer that you hired to do your bit of "due dilligance" before you bought? - You did get a lawyer didn't you? - so you are ok you can sue him.

By the way - Christmas is coming - have you sent Santa a letter?

You do believe in Santa don't you?

And UFO's

And bar girls who tell you - you hansum man I luv yu 2 mut

And Falling in love with bar girls

And Al Gore and Global Warming

And View Talay Salesmen

And Time share salesmen

The Thais have a good phrase I am sure you know well

Som Nam na

Well they have changed it nowadays to

Som Nam Na Farang - Better luck next time - or as the Thais would say better luck next life.

After this I do want to state I have no hard feelings against you. You believe what you want to believe. For me as daft as it sounds I actually believe in justice even in Thailand where I have seen justice perverted really close up. I saw someone literaly "get away with murder" but that's another story.

Yes I do bear hard feelings against View Talay. I saw the empty land - I read the Thai laws - Yes I can read Thai even legal documents. I chose to live close to the VT7 site for the same reasons you probably did, great location, great view etc. But I had heard the rumours and no matter what the rules/laws state I decided to keep my dosh in the bank (offshore of course) for now. I had many nerve shattering days as hundreds and hundreds of piles were driven. Many sleepless nights as trucks delivered at all times of the night. VT's building permit and regulations clearly state - work on the site only between 8am to 8 pm - Do VT respect the law? of course not. So what makes you think given the opportunity a Thai COmpany, a Thai person would even think twice or even think once about breaking the law.

Honestly - please try to cover your self and find out what is really happening.

I talked a few weeks ago to a French guy who is heavily into the condo business. He knows what is happening with VT. He has experienced it here in Pattaya and in other places around the world.

His comment on all this is typically French in words and French in nature - He has many many clients who own condos in VT. He shrugged his shoulders, smiled and said C'est la vie. My customers condos my customers money not mine.

[marekm1]

Before investing your money did you get good advice?

I am sorry I have NO sympathy whatsoever for you.

You are crying in your beer because you are going to lose your money - but you don't care about the Jomtien Complex owners who stand to lose millions.

Jomtien Complex followed the THAI LAW and built over 200 meters from the beach. Thy are guaranteed sea views because nothing over 14 meters can be built in front of Jomtien Complex - THAT IS THE THAI LAW.

So View Talay conspire with City Hall to issue an illegal permit. Now they have been caught with their pants down.

Did you consult a lawyer before you invested in VT7?

If so I suggest sueing your lawyer.

If you bought through an agent then try sueing them

If you took your own advice then try sueing yourself

If you took View Talay's advice then try sueing them.

Do you realise thar as an OWNER in an illegal project - you could be sued

There are other projects like VT5 that could be took to court and the OWNERS sued possibly having their buildings demolished and losing everything. I personally doubt this will happen - but you never know.

All these people/companies should have checked the law before starting/investing in this project. The law is VERY clear

- good luck

Why View Talay buyers should see the lawyer. All the papers were correct issued and with Wiew Talay record there was not much risk involved. I actually saw one and he told me exactly that. I didn’t get anything in writing, neither I paid him anything and probably that’s how much his advice was worth.

I looked few years back at the Jomtien Complex to buy a unit there, but with the vacant land in front of it, I never consider it as the prime beach location. The risk of losing the view was too much for me.

I think people buying into Jomtien Comples should consult the lawyer or somebody before they bought, who could guarantee them, that they wouldn’t lose the view. It’s a bit naïve to buy a unit half the block from the beach with empty land in front of it, to think that nobody is going try to develop something in front. With the guarantee in writing they shouldn’t lose millions of baths.

[JaiDeeFarang]

As I understand La Royale, Sails & Ocean Portofino do not come under the same local authority of those others you just mentioned. I'm informed they come under Sattahip Muang and the regulations are not the same as those in Pattaya. As I was also interested in buying a unit in regatta to 'flip', I approached the developers of regatta and was told that it is 100 metres from the MSL, not 75 as you state. I've decide to put that on hold until all is made clear and several of my friends say the same thing. Can I ask where you got these measurements from? From what I can see they're all roughly 100 metres from the MSL, which is as I stated before the distance that you are allowed to build anything over 23 metres. I just can't believe that all these developers would go to the trouble of obtaining a permit, setting up a showroom, spend fortunes on marketing and not know the law which governs their developments in the first place. Don't forget these people do it for a living and would obviously seek advice from profesional attorneys who no doubt carry out due dilligence on a site before they went to all that trouble. You're telling me that a group of guys running around stirring up trouble know more about the thai legal system than a professional development company and their no doubt highly paid lawyer? I have spoken with VT this afternoon demanding to know what is going on and was assured that everyting will go ahead as planned. Also as someone stated previously if it's so obvious that VT7 is only 100 and not 200 metres from the MSL why didn't they rule against it there and then? There is no way on earth they would allow it, but they didn't say no did they? It really looks like you're fighting and losing battle on this one. My advice would be move to Hua Hin, they seem to be the only people in LOS who actually agree with you!

Not my measurements - came from this board weeks ago - aparantly there are some other folks concerned also.

So basically these figures are incorrect as they are not exact measurements, once again we do not have the full FACTS

Who else agrees with me

Well let's start with

The Judges at Administrative Court

Why didn't they rule against VT there and then? There is a big difference between 100 & 200 metres no matter where you measure the distance from.

The JUdges at The Supreme Court

They just referred the case to the Administrative Court and didn't commit to a decision.

The Mayor of Pattaya

Which Mayor? There seems to be many of them and where is the evidence of this?

Several Property developers who have delayed, stalled their projects

Who has stalled their projects? They may not have stalled because they believe the law about the 200 metre setback, there may be other factors that you are unaware of

All the Property developers who have built hundreds of condo blocks around Thailand at 200 meters back.

Most likely they couldn't afford beach front land and sell at a lower price anyway.

The 200 Meter Law is not a local law, a local by-law as we call it in The UK - it is a National law.

It's how the law is interpreted that counts.

They didn't say no - they didn't say yes

If they agree with you why didn't they say NO?

They are waiting for an official measurement to acertain the EXACT measure of 200 meter

I repeat there is a big difference between 100 & 200 metres, clearly if the law states 200 metres the court would have ruled in your favor.

Why did they do it

Cause they thought they could get away with it!!!!!!

Because the law states anything over 100 metres from the MSL you can build 23 metres, over that height and you need an environmental licence.

They have a small parcel of land close to the beach and the greedy b.... want to make money - nowt wrong with making money

How did you make your money?

You can sell Cocaine and make lots of money, many people sell cocaine and make a lot of money - don't mean that selling cocaine is legal does it?

Please see previous question!

As for me - why move to Hua Hin?

Because you'll lose your view

I am quite happy in Pattaya - I wasn't daft enough to buy a condo on the beach

Or smart enough to realise that one day your view may disappear

Sounds like if anyone has got probs it's you

Only with idiots

You spoke to View Talay and DEMANDED to know what is going on

Why did you DEMAND and not ask politely?

Because until now politely hasn't worked

Of course you believed them

You believed them when you listened to the salesman

I believe my lawyer who is one of the best in Bangkok

Did you listen to your lawyer that you hired to do your bit of "due dilligance" before you bought? - You did get a lawyer didn't you? - so you are ok you can sue him.

An international law firm in Bangkok carried out all the necessary check and it came up clean

By the way - Christmas is coming - have you sent Santa a letter?

You do believe in Santa don't you?

And UFO's

And bar girls who tell you - you hansum man I luv yu 2 mut

And Falling in love with bar girls

And Al Gore and Global Warming

And View Talay Salesmen

And Time share salesmen

I believe Pattaya is a diverse city an that tolerance of idiots is part and parcel of everyday life here.

The Thais have a good phrase I am sure you know well

Som Nam na

Well they have changed it nowadays to

Som Nam Na Farang - Better luck next time - or as the Thais would say better luck next life.

As I understand VT have or are issuing a legal battle against the likes of you, good luck to them and som nam na to you with knobs on.

After this I do want to state I have no hard feelings against you. You believe what you want to believe. For me as daft as it sounds I actually believe in justice even in Thailand where I have seen justice perverted really close up. I saw someone literaly "get away with murder" but that's another story.

That's the first sensible thing you've said, justice is what the Thais make it not what you want it to be. Do you think that saying the planning office is corrupt is a good idea, remember that losing face in Thailand is a mortal sin and that's exactly what you've caused these people. Does som nam na farang sound good to you?

Yes I do bear hard feelings against View Talay. I saw the empty land - I read the Thai laws - Yes I can read Thai even legal documents. I chose to live close to the VT7 site for the same reasons you probably did, great location, great view etc. But I had heard the rumours and no matter what the rules/laws state I decided to keep my dosh in the bank (offshore of course) for now. I had many nerve shattering days as hundreds and hundreds of piles were driven. Many sleepless nights as trucks delivered at all times of the night. VT's building permit and regulations clearly state - work on the site only between 8am to 8 pm - Do VT respect the law? of course not. So what makes you think given the opportunity a Thai COmpany, a Thai person would even think twice or even think once about breaking the law.

Again how does som nam na sound?

Honestly - please try to cover your self and find out what is really happening.

Thanks for your advise, though I don't suppose I'll truly find out what's going on here.

I talked a few weeks ago to a French guy who is heavily into the condo business. He knows what is happening with VT. He has experienced it here in Pattaya and in other places around the world.

His comment on all this is typically French in words and French in nature - He has many many clients who own condos in VT. He shrugged his shoulders, smiled and said C'est la vie. My customers condos my customers money not mine.

Nice attitude to have from someone who has no doubt already recived his commission from VT, does he believe in repeat business? I would say to you that he knows more than he is letting on, even the French have some morals and he wouldn't be so callous with his clients cash at stake if he valued their business.

[OneMikeInBangkok]

As I understand La Royale, Sails & Ocean Portofino do not come under the same local authority of those others you just mentioned. I'm informed they come under Sattahip Muang and the regulations are not the same as those in Pattaya. As I was also interested in buying a unit in regatta to 'flip', I approached the developers of regatta and was told that it is 100 metres from the MSL, not 75 as you state. I've decide to put that on hold until all is made clear and several of my friends say the same thing. Can I ask where you got these measurements from? From what I can see they're all roughly 100 metres from the MSL, which is as I stated before the distance that you are allowed to build anything over 23 metres. I just can't believe that all these developers would go to the trouble of obtaining a permit, setting up a showroom, spend fortunes on marketing and not know the law which governs their developments in the first place. Don't forget these people do it for a living and would obviously seek advice from profesional attorneys who no doubt carry out due dilligence on a site before they went to all that trouble. You're telling me that a group of guys running around stirring up trouble know more about the thai legal system than a professional development company and their no doubt highly paid lawyer? I have spoken with VT this afternoon demanding to know what is going on and was assured that everyting will go ahead as planned. Also as someone stated previously if it's so obvious that VT7 is only 100 and not 200 metres from the MSL why didn't they rule against it there and then? There is no way on earth they would allow it, but they didn't say no did they? It really looks like you're fighting and losing battle on this one. My advice would be move to Hua Hin, they seem to be the only people in LOS who actually agree with you!

Not my measurements - came from this board weeks ago - aparantly there are some other folks concerned also.

So basically these figures are incorrect as they are not exact measurements, once again we do not have the full FACTS

Who else agrees with me

Well let's start with

The Judges at Administrative Court

Why didn't they rule against VT there and then? There is a big difference between 100 & 200 metres no matter where you measure the distance from.

The JUdges at The Supreme Court

They just referred the case to the Administrative Court and didn't commit to a decision.

The Mayor of Pattaya

Which Mayor? There seems to be many of them and where is the evidence of this?

Several Property developers who have delayed, stalled their projects

Who has stalled their projects? They may not have stalled because they believe the law about the 200 metre setback, there may be other factors that you are unaware of

All the Property developers who have built hundreds of condo blocks around Thailand at 200 meters back.

Most likely they couldn't afford beach front land and sell at a lower price anyway.

The 200 Meter Law is not a local law, a local by-law as we call it in The UK - it is a National law.

It's how the law is interpreted that counts.

They didn't say no - they didn't say yes

If they agree with you why didn't they say NO?

They are waiting for an official measurement to acertain the EXACT measure of 200 meter

I repeat there is a big difference between 100 & 200 metres, clearly if the law states 200 metres the court would have ruled in your favor.

Why did they do it

Cause they thought they could get away with it!!!!!!

Because the law states anything over 100 metres from the MSL you can build 23 metres, over that height and you need an environmental licence.

They have a small parcel of land close to the beach and the greedy b.... want to make money - nowt wrong with making money

How did you make your money?

You can sell Cocaine and make lots of money, many people sell cocaine and make a lot of money - don't mean that selling cocaine is legal does it?

Please see previous question!

As for me - why move to Hua Hin?

Because you'll lose your view

I am quite happy in Pattaya - I wasn't daft enough to buy a condo on the beach

Or smart enough to realise that one day your view may disappear

Sounds like if anyone has got probs it's you

Only with idiots

You spoke to View Talay and DEMANDED to know what is going on

Why did you DEMAND and not ask politely?

Because until now politely hasn't worked

Of course you believed them

You believed them when you listened to the salesman

I believe my lawyer who is one of the best in Bangkok

Did you listen to your lawyer that you hired to do your bit of "due dilligance" before you bought? - You did get a lawyer didn't you? - so you are ok you can sue him.

An international law firm in Bangkok carried out all the necessary check and it came up clean

By the way - Christmas is coming - have you sent Santa a letter?

You do believe in Santa don't you?

And UFO's

And bar girls who tell you - you hansum man I luv yu 2 mut

And Falling in love with bar girls

And Al Gore and Global Warming

And View Talay Salesmen

And Time share salesmen

I believe Pattaya is a diverse city an that tolerance of idiots is part and parcel of everyday life here.

The Thais have a good phrase I am sure you know well

Som Nam na

Well they have changed it nowadays to

Som Nam Na Farang - Better luck next time - or as the Thais would say better luck next life.

As I understand VT have or are issuing a legal battle against the likes of you, good luck to them and som nam na to you with knobs on.

After this I do want to state I have no hard feelings against you. You believe what you want to believe. For me as daft as it sounds I actually believe in justice even in Thailand where I have seen justice perverted really close up. I saw someone literaly "get away with murder" but that's another story.

That's the first sensible thing you've said, justice is what the Thais make it not what you want it to be. Do you think that saying the planning office is corrupt is a good idea, remember that losing face in Thailand is a mortal sin and that's exactly what you've caused these people. Does som nam na farang sound good to you?

Yes I do bear hard feelings against View Talay. I saw the empty land - I read the Thai laws - Yes I can read Thai even legal documents. I chose to live close to the VT7 site for the same reasons you probably did, great location, great view etc. But I had heard the rumours and no matter what the rules/laws state I decided to keep my dosh in the bank (offshore of course) for now. I had many nerve shattering days as hundreds and hundreds of piles were driven. Many sleepless nights as trucks delivered at all times of the night. VT's building permit and regulations clearly state - work on the site only between 8am to 8 pm - Do VT respect the law? of course not. So what makes you think given the opportunity a Thai COmpany, a Thai person would even think twice or even think once about breaking the law.

Again how does som nam na sound?

Honestly - please try to cover your self and find out what is really happening.

Thanks for your advise, though I don't suppose I'll truly find out what's going on here.

I talked a few weeks ago to a French guy who is heavily into the condo business. He knows what is happening with VT. He has experienced it here in Pattaya and in other places around the world.

His comment on all this is typically French in words and French in nature - He has many many clients who own condos in VT. He shrugged his shoulders, smiled and said C'est la vie. My customers condos my customers money not mine.

Nice attitude to have from someone who has no doubt already recived his commission from VT, does he believe in repeat business? I would say to you that he knows more than he is letting on, even the French have some morals and he wouldn't be so callous with his clients cash at stake if he valued their business.

Read my post again

I am not an owner in Jomtien Complex

I am not part of nor did I bring any action against VT or City Hall

So all I am doing is expressing my opinions.

Up to you guys to battle it out - and my what a battle this is going to be.

Decision or not it is going to br many many many years down the line that you get to enjoy your view of the talay - if it happens at all.

Good luck to you and anyone trying to do business/set up a home in Thailand

For me if I don't like the spot where I rest my weary head....then I have the freedom to up and move.

Think of the future. If your attitude that that Thai law means sod all when it comes to making money from your "investments"

Sorry to put another "what if"

The future - I can see the adverts now - Real Beach Condos - Enjoy The Ultimate View of The Talay With Our New Codo Built ON THE BEACH - hahahahah

som nam na farang x2

[JaiDeeFarang]

As I understand La Royale, Sails & Ocean Portofino do not come under the same local authority of those others you just mentioned. I'm informed they come under Sattahip Muang and the regulations are not the same as those in Pattaya. As I was also interested in buying a unit in regatta to 'flip', I approached the developers of regatta and was told that it is 100 metres from the MSL, not 75 as you state. I've decide to put that on hold until all is made clear and several of my friends say the same thing. Can I ask where you got these measurements from? From what I can see they're all roughly 100 metres from the MSL, which is as I stated before the distance that you are allowed to build anything over 23 metres. I just can't believe that all these developers would go to the trouble of obtaining a permit, setting up a showroom, spend fortunes on marketing and not know the law which governs their developments in the first place. Don't forget these people do it for a living and would obviously seek advice from profesional attorneys who no doubt carry out due dilligence on a site before they went to all that trouble. You're telling me that a group of guys running around stirring up trouble know more about the thai legal system than a professional development company and their no doubt highly paid lawyer? I have spoken with VT this afternoon demanding to know what is going on and was assured that everyting will go ahead as planned. Also as someone stated previously if it's so obvious that VT7 is only 100 and not 200 metres from the MSL why didn't they rule against it there and then? There is no way on earth they would allow it, but they didn't say no did they? It really looks like you're fighting and losing battle on this one. My advice would be move to Hua Hin, they seem to be the only people in LOS who actually agree with you!

Not my measurements - came from this board weeks ago - aparantly there are some other folks concerned also.

So basically these figures are incorrect as they are not exact measurements, once again we do not have the full FACTS

Who else agrees with me

Well let's start with

The Judges at Administrative Court

Why didn't they rule against VT there and then? There is a big difference between 100 & 200 metres no matter where you measure the distance from.

The JUdges at The Supreme Court

They just referred the case to the Administrative Court and didn't commit to a decision.

The Mayor of Pattaya

Which Mayor? There seems to be many of them and where is the evidence of this?

Several Property developers who have delayed, stalled their projects

Who has stalled their projects? They may not have stalled because they believe the law about the 200 metre setback, there may be other factors that you are unaware of

All the Property developers who have built hundreds of condo blocks around Thailand at 200 meters back.

Most likely they couldn't afford beach front land and sell at a lower price anyway.

The 200 Meter Law is not a local law, a local by-law as we call it in The UK - it is a National law.

It's how the law is interpreted that counts.

They didn't say no - they didn't say yes

If they agree with you why didn't they say NO?

They are waiting for an official measurement to acertain the EXACT measure of 200 meter

I repeat there is a big difference between 100 & 200 metres, clearly if the law states 200 metres the court would have ruled in your favor.

Why did they do it

Cause they thought they could get away with it!!!!!!

Because the law states anything over 100 metres from the MSL you can build 23 metres, over that height and you need an environmental licence.

They have a small parcel of land close to the beach and the greedy b.... want to make money - nowt wrong with making money

How did you make your money?

You can sell Cocaine and make lots of money, many people sell cocaine and make a lot of money - don't mean that selling cocaine is legal does it?

Please see previous question!

As for me - why move to Hua Hin?

Because you'll lose your view

I am quite happy in Pattaya - I wasn't daft enough to buy a condo on the beach

Or smart enough to realise that one day your view may disappear

Sounds like if anyone has got probs it's you

Only with idiots

You spoke to View Talay and DEMANDED to know what is going on

Why did you DEMAND and not ask politely?

Because until now politely hasn't worked

Of course you believed them

You believed them when you listened to the salesman

I believe my lawyer who is one of the best in Bangkok

Did you listen to your lawyer that you hired to do your bit of "due dilligance" before you bought? - You did get a lawyer didn't you? - so you are ok you can sue him.

An international law firm in Bangkok carried out all the necessary check and it came up clean

By the way - Christmas is coming - have you sent Santa a letter?

You do believe in Santa don't you?

And UFO's

And bar girls who tell you - you hansum man I luv yu 2 mut

And Falling in love with bar girls

And Al Gore and Global Warming

And View Talay Salesmen

And Time share salesmen

I believe Pattaya is a diverse city an that tolerance of idiots is part and parcel of everyday life here.

The Thais have a good phrase I am sure you know well

Som Nam na

Well they have changed it nowadays to

Som Nam Na Farang - Better luck next time - or as the Thais would say better luck next life.

As I understand VT have or are issuing a legal battle against the likes of you, good luck to them and som nam na to you with knobs on.

After this I do want to state I have no hard feelings against you. You believe what you want to believe. For me as daft as it sounds I actually believe in justice even in Thailand where I have seen justice perverted really close up. I saw someone literaly "get away with murder" but that's another story.

That's the first sensible thing you've said, justice is what the Thais make it not what you want it to be. Do you think that saying the planning office is corrupt is a good idea, remember that losing face in Thailand is a mortal sin and that's exactly what you've caused these people. Does som nam na farang sound good to you?

Yes I do bear hard feelings against View Talay. I saw the empty land - I read the Thai laws - Yes I can read Thai even legal documents. I chose to live close to the VT7 site for the same reasons you probably did, great location, great view etc. But I had heard the rumours and no matter what the rules/laws state I decided to keep my dosh in the bank (offshore of course) for now. I had many nerve shattering days as hundreds and hundreds of piles were driven. Many sleepless nights as trucks delivered at all times of the night. VT's building permit and regulations clearly state - work on the site only between 8am to 8 pm - Do VT respect the law? of course not. So what makes you think given the opportunity a Thai COmpany, a Thai person would even think twice or even think once about breaking the law.

Again how does som nam na sound?

Honestly - please try to cover your self and find out what is really happening.

Thanks for your advise, though I don't suppose I'll truly find out what's going on here.

I talked a few weeks ago to a French guy who is heavily into the condo business. He knows what is happening with VT. He has experienced it here in Pattaya and in other places around the world.

His comment on all this is typically French in words and French in nature - He has many many clients who own condos in VT. He shrugged his shoulders, smiled and said C'est la vie. My customers condos my customers money not mine.

Nice attitude to have from someone who has no doubt already recived his commission from VT, does he believe in repeat business? I would say to you that he knows more than he is letting on, even the French have some morals and he wouldn't be so callous with his clients cash at stake if he valued their business.

Read my post again

I am not an owner in Jomtien Complex

I am not part of nor did I bring any action against VT or City Hall

So all I am doing is expressing my opinions.

Up to you guys to battle it out - and my what a battle this is going to be.

Decision or not it is going to br many many many years down the line that you get to enjoy your view of the talay - if it happens at all.

Good luck to you and anyone trying to do business/set up a home in Thailand

For me if I don't like the spot where I rest my weary head....then I have the freedom to up and move.

Think of the future. If your attitude that that Thai law means sod all when it comes to making money from your "investments"

Sorry to put another "what if"

The future - I can see the adverts now - Real Beach Condos - Enjoy The Ultimate View of The Talay With Our New Codo Built ON THE BEACH - hahahahah

som nam na farang x2

Not so silly to think like that, look at those develoments in Dubai! The Palms and The World, why not?

If you're not even involved with the battle then why bother skicking your nose in? Are you the keeper of sanctity for the Thai law? Have you sworn an oath to up hold the law in a one man crusade like some kind of super hero?............... Condoman!? I guess you must be renting in Jomtien Complex, hence your interest on the subject. Why did you not up and move to rest your weary head elsewhere when you had to put up with the construction noise and trucks rolling in and out? Don't forget that Thai law will always go in favour of Thai people, we're just here by their tolerance and goodwill. The jobs and the money created by VT benefit Thai people and the local economy, what do you contribute to? The odd short time if you're lucky and an all you can eat 99 baht barbecue.

I have lived here for several years already so you don't have to wish me luck setting up home here. I am an investor and am fully aware of the pitfalls and rewards, I never said I was going to live in VT7.

[JaiDeeFarang]

As I understand La Royale, Sails & Ocean Portofino do not come under the same local authority of those others you just mentioned. I'm informed they come under Sattahip Muang and the regulations are not the same as those in Pattaya. As I was also interested in buying a unit in regatta to 'flip', I approached the developers of regatta and was told that it is 100 metres from the MSL, not 75 as you state. I've decide to put that on hold until all is made clear and several of my friends say the same thing. Can I ask where you got these measurements from? From what I can see they're all roughly 100 metres from the MSL, which is as I stated before the distance that you are allowed to build anything over 23 metres. I just can't believe that all these developers would go to the trouble of obtaining a permit, setting up a showroom, spend fortunes on marketing and not know the law which governs their developments in the first place. Don't forget these people do it for a living and would obviously seek advice from profesional attorneys who no doubt carry out due dilligence on a site before they went to all that trouble. You're telling me that a group of guys running around stirring up trouble know more about the thai legal system than a professional development company and their no doubt highly paid lawyer? I have spoken with VT this afternoon demanding to know what is going on and was assured that everyting will go ahead as planned. Also as someone stated previously if it's so obvious that VT7 is only 100 and not 200 metres from the MSL why didn't they rule against it there and then? There is no way on earth they would allow it, but they didn't say no did they? It really looks like you're fighting and losing battle on this one. My advice would be move to Hua Hin, they seem to be the only people in LOS who actually agree with you!

Not my measurements - came from this board weeks ago - aparantly there are some other folks concerned also.

So basically these figures are incorrect as they are not exact measurements, once again we do not have the full FACTS

Who else agrees with me

Well let's start with

The Judges at Administrative Court

Why didn't they rule against VT there and then? There is a big difference between 100 & 200 metres no matter where you measure the distance from.

The JUdges at The Supreme Court

They just referred the case to the Administrative Court and didn't commit to a decision.

The Mayor of Pattaya

Which Mayor? There seems to be many of them and where is the evidence of this?

Several Property developers who have delayed, stalled their projects

Who has stalled their projects? They may not have stalled because they believe the law about the 200 metre setback, there may be other factors that you are unaware of

All the Property developers who have built hundreds of condo blocks around Thailand at 200 meters back.

Most likely they couldn't afford beach front land and sell at a lower price anyway.

The 200 Meter Law is not a local law, a local by-law as we call it in The UK - it is a National law.

It's how the law is interpreted that counts.

They didn't say no - they didn't say yes

If they agree with you why didn't they say NO?

They are waiting for an official measurement to acertain the EXACT measure of 200 meter

I repeat there is a big difference between 100 & 200 metres, clearly if the law states 200 metres the court would have ruled in your favor.

Why did they do it

Cause they thought they could get away with it!!!!!!

Because the law states anything over 100 metres from the MSL you can build 23 metres, over that height and you need an environmental licence.

They have a small parcel of land close to the beach and the greedy b.... want to make money - nowt wrong with making money

How did you make your money?

You can sell Cocaine and make lots of money, many people sell cocaine and make a lot of money - don't mean that selling cocaine is legal does it?

Please see previous question!

As for me - why move to Hua Hin?

Because you'll lose your view

I am quite happy in Pattaya - I wasn't daft enough to buy a condo on the beach

Or smart enough to realise that one day your view may disappear

Sounds like if anyone has got probs it's you

Only with idiots

You spoke to View Talay and DEMANDED to know what is going on

Why did you DEMAND and not ask politely?

Because until now politely hasn't worked

Of course you believed them

You believed them when you listened to the salesman

I believe my lawyer who is one of the best in Bangkok

Did you listen to your lawyer that you hired to do your bit of "due dilligance" before you bought? - You did get a lawyer didn't you? - so you are ok you can sue him.

An international law firm in Bangkok carried out all the necessary check and it came up clean

By the way - Christmas is coming - have you sent Santa a letter?

You do believe in Santa don't you?

And UFO's

And bar girls who tell you - you hansum man I luv yu 2 mut

And Falling in love with bar girls

And Al Gore and Global Warming

And View Talay Salesmen

And Time share salesmen

I believe Pattaya is a diverse city an that tolerance of idiots is part and parcel of everyday life here.

The Thais have a good phrase I am sure you know well

Som Nam na

Well they have changed it nowadays to

Som Nam Na Farang - Better luck next time - or as the Thais would say better luck next life.

As I understand VT have or are issuing a legal battle against the likes of you, good luck to them and som nam na to you with knobs on.

After this I do want to state I have no hard feelings against you. You believe what you want to believe. For me as daft as it sounds I actually believe in justice even in Thailand where I have seen justice perverted really close up. I saw someone literaly "get away with murder" but that's another story.

That's the first sensible thing you've said, justice is what the Thais make it not what you want it to be. Do you think that saying the planning office is corrupt is a good idea, remember that losing face in Thailand is a mortal sin and that's exactly what you've caused these people. Does som nam na farang sound good to you?

Yes I do bear hard feelings against View Talay. I saw the empty land - I read the Thai laws - Yes I can read Thai even legal documents. I chose to live close to the VT7 site for the same reasons you probably did, great location, great view etc. But I had heard the rumours and no matter what the rules/laws state I decided to keep my dosh in the bank (offshore of course) for now. I had many nerve shattering days as hundreds and hundreds of piles were driven. Many sleepless nights as trucks delivered at all times of the night. VT's building permit and regulations clearly state - work on the site only between 8am to 8 pm - Do VT respect the law? of course not. So what makes you think given the opportunity a Thai COmpany, a Thai person would even think twice or even think once about breaking the law.

Again how does som nam na sound?

Honestly - please try to cover your self and find out what is really happening.

Thanks for your advise, though I don't suppose I'll truly find out what's going on here.

I talked a few weeks ago to a French guy who is heavily into the condo business. He knows what is happening with VT. He has experienced it here in Pattaya and in other places around the world.

His comment on all this is typically French in words and French in nature - He has many many clients who own condos in VT. He shrugged his shoulders, smiled and said C'est la vie. My customers condos my customers money not mine.

Nice attitude to have from someone who has no doubt already recived his commission from VT, does he believe in repeat business? I would say to you that he knows more than he is letting on, even the French have some morals and he wouldn't be so callous with his clients cash at stake if he valued their business.

Read my post again

I am not an owner in Jomtien Complex

I am not part of nor did I bring any action against VT or City Hall

So all I am doing is expressing my opinions.

Up to you guys to battle it out - and my what a battle this is going to be.

Decision or not it is going to br many many many years down the line that you get to enjoy your view of the talay - if it happens at all.

Good luck to you and anyone trying to do business/set up a home in Thailand

For me if I don't like the spot where I rest my weary head....then I have the freedom to up and move.

Think of the future. If your attitude that that Thai law means sod all when it comes to making money from your "investments"

Sorry to put another "what if"

The future - I can see the adverts now - Real Beach Condos - Enjoy The Ultimate View of The Talay With Our New Codo Built ON THE BEACH - hahahahah

som nam na farang x2

Not so silly to think like that, look at those develoments in Dubai! The Palms and The World, why not?

If you're not even involved with the battle then why bother skicking your nose in? Are you the keeper of sanctity for the Thai law? Have you sworn an oath to up hold the law in a one man crusade like some kind of super hero?............... Condoman!? I guess you must be renting in Jomtien Complex, hence your interest on the subject. Why did you not up and move to rest your weary head elsewhere when you had to put up with the construction noise and trucks rolling in and out? Don't forget that Thai law will always go in favour of Thai people, we're just here by their tolerance and goodwill. The jobs and the money created by VT benefit Thai people and the local economy, what do you contribute to? The odd short time if you're lucky and an all you can eat 99 baht barbecue.

I have lived here for several years already so you don't have to wish me luck setting up home here. I am an investor and am fully aware of the pitfalls and rewards, I never said I was going to live in VT7.

Sorry I don't know if 'renting in Jomtien complex' is accepatable language to use on this forum, my apologies if I caused offence.

[tropiccapricorn]

Don't forget that Thai law will always go in favour of Thai people, we're just here by their tolerance and goodwill. The jobs and the money created by VT benefit Thai people and the local economy.

When I see all those people on the building site of VT7 filling in concrete and iron I wonder where the big money goes.

Does anyone know how much thai this view talay firm really is?

[lookat]

I hear two facts; one fact is the court accepted measure is made from MSL. The second fact is the measurement is 200 meters. But city hall doesn’t agree with the stopvt7 group how to measurer from MLS. City hall and vt7 wants to measure 100 meter from MSL to the map’s borderline in the sea them back to the shoreline onto the land 200 meters. The stopvt7 group wants to measure 200 meters from MSL onto the land. The judge must decide which one is right. Anyone understand how Thai Admin Court judges think?

The following is a quote from Mr. Surapol, Department of Civil Engineering and City Planning, from Bangkok letter dated 19 of June 2007. “The distance of 100 m as per point 3 of the Ministerial Regulation Issue 8 (B.E. 2519) issued pursuant to the Building Control Act B. E. 2479 and the distance of 200 m. as per point 3 of the Ministerial Regulation Issue 9 (B.E. 2521) issued pursuant to the Building Control Act B. E. 2479 are not the same alignment. In that the alignment of the coat line in accordance with the Ministerial Regulation Issue 8 (b. E. 2519) had not specified the measurement be taken at MSL. But in accordance with the Ministerial Regulations Issue 9 (B. E. 2521) it specified the measurement of the alignment of the coast line be taken only at MSL.”

Chief Engineer Acting on Behalf of the Director General

Department of Civil Engineering and City Planning

I found the quote at: http://stopvt7.blogspot.com/

[ZZZ]

I'm not sure how Thai law works but if the intent of this regulation is to maintain a 200m strip of land, along the beach, free from high rise buildings then MSL could not even be considered.

In some parts of Thailand, where the beach has a very gentle slope, the difference between high tide water front and low tide water front is over 400m. If MSL was used in these locations you would be able to build right up to the water front if MSL was used and the intent of the regulation would not be achieved.

As far as I know the high tide mark is the reference point used in other countries for this purpose as it is the only reference point that will make any sense.

[OneMikeInBangkok]

I'm not sure how Thai law works but if the intent of this regulation is to maintain a 200m strip of land, along the beach, free from high rise buildings then MSL could not even be considered.

In some parts of Thailand, where the beach has a very gentle slope, the difference between high tide water front and low tide water front is over 400m. If MSL was used in these locations you would be able to build right up to the water front if MSL was used and the intent of the regulation would not be achieved.

As far as I know the high tide mark is the reference point used in other countries for this purpose as it is the only reference point that will make any sense.

I agree totally - should be high tide mark

View Talay have used two methods of explanation in front of the court to explain how they measure 200 meters

1. 100 meters to MSL and 100 Meters back to the building line

2. 100 meters to MSL and another meters from MSL out to see.

Daft?

The court thought so too - one judge was very angry and even threw the papers back at View Talay and told himnot to waste the courts time with such stupid statements.

The Judges know it is 200 meters

View Talay know it is 200 meters

View Talay are trying every trick in the book to bullshit their way out of it.

That is why the court is ordering a definitive measurement of MSL and a definitive measurement of 200 meters from MSL to the building line

There is NO QUESTIOn there is NO DOUBT in the jusges minds that the law is 200 meters That is not the argument at all.

As I said it is just the EXACT technical location that needs to be clarified

Then they can tell VT to go play their silly games somewhere else.

If they take it from the High water mark then VT7 is about 50 meters from the waterline.

This means that when there is a storm surge or a typhoon blows in from the west VT7 is lapping in water.

when they dug the foundations - it was curious to not that the foundations filled with water and emptied again as the tide came in and out - now that can't be good for a multi story condo.

I heard JC did test boring on this site years ago and the report showed that this site was not suitable for a high rise. Obviously the land has suddenly an mysteriously changed it's composition over the years and now is OK

[lookat]

This Building Construction Control Act B.E. 2479 does not apply to all of Thailand. It applies to few specific tourist beach areas. When you view the map it dose not affect all of Jomthien Beach. The south end of Jomthien Beach is not covered by Ministerial Regulation Issue 9 and you see condos being built rights next to the road. MSL is a defendable point on a map or at a beach using special survey instruments to measure. So this is why the Ministerial Regulations uses MSL

For Thai maps go to http://www.asa.or.th/download/03media/04la.../mr/mr21-09.pdf

For all the different Ministerial Regulation laws in Thai

http://www.asa.or.th/03media/04law/cba-mr.asp

[ZZZ]

This Building Construction Control Act B.E. 2479 does not apply to all of Thailand. It applies to few specific tourist beach areas. When you view the map it dose not affect all of Jomthien Beach. The south end of Jomthien Beach is not covered by Ministerial Regulation Issue 9 and you see condos being built rights next to the road. MSL is a defendable point on a map or at a beach using special survey instruments to measure. So this is why the Ministerial Regulations uses MSL

For Thai maps go to http://www.asa.or.th/download/03media/04la.../mr/mr21-09.pdf

For all the different Ministerial Regulation laws in Thai

http://www.asa.or.th/03media/04law/cba-mr.asp

The High Tide mark is just as easy to determine as the MSL mark so there are no practical reasons for not using the High Tide mark.

Like I said before; on some beaches in Thailand 200m from the MSL mark will be under water at high tide rendering the use of the MSL mark useless!!!

[lookat]

This Building Construction Control Act B.E. 2479 does not apply to all of Thailand. It applies to few specific tourist beach areas. When you view the map it dose not affect all of Jomthien Beach. The south end of Jomthien Beach is not covered by Ministerial Regulation Issue 9 and you see condos being built rights next to the road. MSL is a defendable point on a map or at a beach using special survey instruments to measure. So this is why the Ministerial Regulations uses MSL

For Thai maps go to http://www.asa.or.th/download/03media/04la.../mr/mr21-09.pdf

For all the different Ministerial Regulation laws in Thai

http://www.asa.or.th/03media/04law/cba-mr.asp

The High Tide mark is just as easy to determine as the MSL mark so there are no practical reasons for not using the High Tide mark.

Like I said before; on some beaches in Thailand 200m from the MSL mark will be under water at high tide rendering the use of the MSL mark useless!!!

Mostly all maps in the world are made using MSL. If the high tide mark were use in map making this would a coast country much smaller. Governments would not agree in making their country smaller.

[ZZZ]

Correct, maps are made using MSL because today most maps are created using GPS. GPS use MSL as the vertical reference point.

The point is that MSL is completely irrelevant when it comes to ensuring a 200m strip of land free of high rise buildings. In this case the high tide mark must be used, making maps is a completely different thing.