No political bias but FBI made mistakes in probe of Trump 2016 campaign - watchdog

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

I really hope Trumps team will bring this guy over to testify.

So do i. 

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Ukrainians have been trying to get over to the U.S. to provide evidence but they are refused visas.

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/437719-ukrainian-to-us-prosecutors-why-dont-you-want-our-evidence-on-democrats

They can provide written testimony.

Why would trump govt refuse visas for them. Have any repubs call for them to testify?

[Tippaporn]

7 minutes ago, Sujo said:

They can provide written testimony.

Why would trump govt refuse visas for them. Have any repubs call for them to testify?

They are being refused visas because they have evidence of corruption.

 

And, if you actually read the piece I posted you can learn that they've tried to submit evidence for over a year.

 

“We were supposed to share this information during a working trip to the United States,” Kulyk told me in a wide-ranging interview. “However, the [U.S.] ambassador blocked us from obtaining a visa. She didn’t explicitly deny our visa, but also didn’t give it to us.”

 

And who, perchance, is the "she" U.S. Ambassador?  Wouldn't that be Yavonovitch do ya think?

 

Edit:

 

I must again point out that this is really not about Democrats versus Republicans as there are dirty congressmen/women/senators on both sides of the aisle.  I for one do not trust Lindsey Graham, nor Mitch McConnell.

 

If there's one thing everyone needs to get through their heads this is about one thing and one thing only . . . money!  And power, of course, which is necessary to keep the game in play while averting any prying eyes which might expose them.

Edited December 10, 2019 by Tippaporn

[spidermike007]

16 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Hillary is the epitome of corruption, if not evil.  She would have sold as much of the U.S. as she could and end her term(s) a billionaire.

I agree the Clintons are very corrupt. But, that might have been preferable to selling the US interests out to, and getting played by MBS, Kim, Putin, Xi, and how many others? Trump gets played by everyone he negotiates with. He is capable of negotiating a deal on a 15 unit apartment building. But world diplomacy? Talk about being in over his relatively modest head. 

[AussieBob18]

3 hours ago, Kelsall said:

And John Durham who is running the criminal investigation into this matter takes exception to the report's conclusion and predication.

Durham has already impaneled grand juries to seek criminal indictments. That means Durham is ignoring the Horowitz conclusions completely. He considers them wrong and therefore irrelevant.  Barr and Graham concur.

 

[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I agree the Clintons are very corrupt. But, that might have been preferable to selling the US interests out to, and getting played by MBS, Kim, Putin, Xi, and how many others? Trump gets played by everyone he negotiates with. He is capable of negotiating a deal on a 15 unit apartment building. But world diplomacy? Talk about being in over his relatively modest head. 

In my humble opinion you've been gaslit.  The MSM is in a constant mode of feeding nothing but, nothing but derogatory information regarding Trump.  If that is anyone's main source of information I can certainly understand how people can be easily misled, especially when they're not willing to investigate any information on their own.

 

There has been more than enough information put out over the years which contradicts the MSM narrative.  That information should be enough for anyone to begin questioning what is really going on.  Hey, I understand people have busy lives and not everyone has the time or interest to dig up information for themselves.

 

In any case, what you wrote about Trump is, again in my opinion, right out of any number of MSM articles.  Wake up.

[AussieBob18]

Think about how similar the FISA, Russia, Ukraine and Impeachment Dem scandals are.  In all cases, the Dems jumped on very thin and biased evidence to pursue what they wanted to pursue - all used as justification to attack and investigate Trump under a veil of feigned legitimacy.  The Dems have been conducting investigations in search of a breach/offence because they hate that Hillary lost and that Trump won. 

 

Following on from the information in this IG Report - not the conclusions - Durham, Barr and Graham in the Senate are going to tear the Dems apart.  The Dems cannot stop because if they do so, that states that Trump is 'innocent' and that they and their media allies have been lying for years.  This is going to be fantastic to watch as it all unfolds in the Senate.  Besides exonerating Trump, which they could vote to do on Day 1 if they wanted to, the GOP in the Senate are going to (finally) get nasty and play the  game - at last they will fight fire with fire instead of trying to calm it down and put it out with cool water.  The GOP are finally going to get real and join the 21st century politics of social media and casting hot stones - no more nice old gentlemen playing by the old rules.  At last the right wing politicians are learning that there is no middle ground with the left wing, and that they must fight fire with fire - either one survives or the other - both cannot exist together side by side anymore - the 60s and 70s have gone forever.    

 

[TPI]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure Trump’s disinformation Campaign failed.

 

We can now observe some of his supporters stubbornly sticking to the lies they were told despite this report completely refuting those lies.

 

The evidence is in, Trump’s lies exposed but still some of his supporters cling to the lies.

 

Many others have faded out of discussions  and no longer post in support of Trump’s blatant lies.

Gee, you said "lie" a lot...Freudian slip perhaps?

[spidermike007]

10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

In my humble opinion you've been gaslit.  The MSM is in a constant mode of feeding nothing but, nothing but derogatory information regarding Trump.  If that is anyone's main source of information I can certainly understand how people can be easily misled, especially when they're not willing to investigate any information on their own.

 

There has been more than enough information put out over the years which contradicts the MSM narrative.  That information should be enough for anyone to begin questioning what is really going on.  Hey, I understand people have busy lives and not everyone has the time or interest to dig up information for themselves.

 

In any case, what you wrote about Trump is, again in my opinion, right out of any number of MSM articles.  Wake up.

Enlighten me. Demonstrate to us how Trump WAS NOT played by MBS, Kim, Putin, and especially Xi. Please. I look forward to your thoughtful, and fact filled reply. And by the way, the opposing force of the MSM, is who? Fox news? Fair and balanced? 

 

Who was gaslighted here? Who bought into the fake news conspiracy? 

[riclag]

2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

 

 

So there were 17 errors. In a non-bias situation you could assume that 8 or 9 would be favorable to Trump and the other half against. But no, not in this case. In this case each and every error was detrimental to Trump. What are the odds?

 

1 out of 2, to the power of 17. Or 131,072 to 1.

 

Sorry, with odds like that, I'm not buying it. They had political bias, end of. Horowitz is a disgrace.

Fear not,according to Linsey Graham, Horowitz has some explaining to do, to the American public ! I want to know why Prosecutor Durham went out of his way to dispute Mr. H ! Durham as you know, has far reaching  investigative capabilities, way more than Mr. H .  For one thing Horowitz scope was limited, even  to go out of the bounds of the US to investigate!

It ain't over yet!

 

Edited December 10, 2019 by riclag

[Tippaporn]

14 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Enlighten me. Demonstrate to us how Trump WAS NOT played by MBS, Kim, Putin, and especially Xi. Please. I look forward to your thoughtful, and fact filled reply. And by the way, the opposing force of the MSM, is who? Fox news? Fair and balanced? 

 

Who was gaslighted here? Who bought into the fake news conspiracy? 

Fox news?  Is that the only source of news or information which opposes the MSM you can think of?  I wouldn't waste my time watching Fox, although Hannity does offer up some good information regularly enough.  There's a plethora of excellent source information out there.

 

And, no, the MSM fake news isn't a conspiracy.  It is fact.  But I understand, you wouldn't have any way of knowing.

[riclag]

We are led to believe that there was no political bias,sorry that doesn't sit well, knowing that  Fisa apps on several occasions, heavily relied on the opp research reports (which is a political tool) by a contradicted source that hated candidate Trump .

I want it exposed why the investigators with held exculpatory evidence to push their narrative  

Edited December 10, 2019 by riclag

[jany123]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Ukrainians have been trying to get over to the U.S. to provide evidence but they are refused visas.

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/437719-ukrainian-to-us-prosecutors-why-dont-you-want-our-evidence-on-democrats

Why oh why oh why won’t the trumps administration bring kulyk over to testify? Obviously Barr’s not that stupid, after all.

 

He has been indicted three times on corruption charges and accused of bringing politically motivated criminal cases against his opponents. In a Ukrainian security clearance form, Mr. Kulyk admitted having ties to a warlord in eastern Ukraine accused of working for the Russian intelligence services.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/world/europe/ukraine-prosecutor-biden-trump.html

 

 

 

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

We are led to believe that there was no political bias,sorry that doesn't sit well, knowing that  Fisa apps on several occasions, heavily relied on the opp research reports (which is a political tool) by a contradicted source that hated candidate Trump .

I want it exposed why the investigators with held exculpatory evidence to push their narrative  

I understand that Horowitz is limited in his investigation but his conclusion that bias didn't factor in to any of it is beyond the pale.  This is the second time he has drawn that conclusion.

[riclag]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I understand that Horowitz is limited in his investigation but his conclusion that bias didn't factor in to any of it is beyond the pale.  This is the second time he has drawn that conclusion.

At least he recommended criminal charges for Comey! Perhaps Durham has more to say about it

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I understand that Horowitz is limited in his investigation but his conclusion that bias didn't factor in to any of it is beyond the pale.  This is the second time he has drawn that conclusion.

The second time he’s been sent on a wild goose chase to investigate dreamed up accusations of crimes that have no merit other than as a distraction from the pile of criminality surrounding Trump.

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, jany123 said:

Why oh why oh why won’t the trumps administration bring kulyk over to testify? Obviously Barr’s not that stupid, after all.

 

He has been indicted three times on corruption charges and accused of bringing politically motivated criminal cases against his opponents. In a Ukrainian security clearance form, Mr. Kulyk admitted having ties to a warlord in eastern Ukraine accused of working for the Russian intelligence services.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/world/europe/ukraine-prosecutor-biden-trump.html

 

Coming from the New York Times the article doesn't surprise me.  They have tarnished their reputation to the point where I wouldn't believe a word they wrote.  They are simply no longer credible.

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The second time he’s been sent on a wild goose chase to investigate dreamed up accusations of crimes that have no merit other than as a distraction from the pile of criminality surrounding Trump.

Too funny.

[metisdead]

A post containing an unsubstantiated allegation has been removed as well as a reply. 

[Becker]

34 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Coming from the New York Times the article doesn't surprise me.  They have tarnished their reputation to the point where I wouldn't believe a word they wrote.  They are simply no longer credible.

Of course you don't.....

Meanwhile, in the real world:

 

"Overall, we rate the New York Times Left-Center biased based on word and story selection that moderately favors the left, but highly factual and considered one of the most reliable sources for news information due to proper sourcing and well respected journalists/editors. The failed fact checks that occurred were on Op-Ed’s and not straight news reporting."

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/

 

[jany123]

53 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Coming from the New York Times the article doesn't surprise me.  They have tarnished their reputation to the point where I wouldn't believe a word they wrote.  They are simply no longer credible.

Reuters could not independently verify the existence of such a dossier but Kulyk detailed his investigations into areas of interest to Trump and Giuliani in an interview with a pro-Trump columnist for The Hill newspaper in April.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-prosecutor-excl/exclusive-ukraine-to-fire-prosecutor-who-discussed-bidens-with-giuliani-source-idUSKBN1XE20C

 

Sure... pick your known pro trump sources if you like.... I’m thinking the trump should replace the bald headed eagle with an ostrich... what do you reckon?

[Baerboxer]

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He and Trump’s illiberal base can take exception to what ever they wish, but without factual evidence they are blowing wind.

 

I read about Horowitz' report on the BBC website. In it he said an FBI lawyer doctored i.e. physically altered a copy of an email from the CIA. 

 

Later in his report he stated that he didn't think the numerous FBI mistakes has been intentional!

 

Factual evidence, seemingly fine to be ignored, as long as ignoring it supports the left liberal PC agenda.

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The second time he’s been sent on a wild goose chase to investigate dreamed up accusations of crimes that have no merit other than as a distraction from the pile of criminality surrounding Trump.

 

Did you actually bother reading any of the report or independent analysis of it?

 

Far from a Wild Goose chase. At best, the FBI come out as having made numerous mistakes, have severe management, supervisory and process issues around obtaining warrants for wire taps. But as Horowitz choose to ignore his reported finding that a FBI lawyer deliberately doctored the copy of a CIA email, we can only assume his criticisms to be very generous.

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Fox news?  Is that the only source of news or information which opposes the MSM you can think of?  I wouldn't waste my time watching Fox, although Hannity does offer up some good information regularly enough.  There's a plethora of excellent source information out there.

 

And, no, the MSM fake news isn't a conspiracy.  It is fact.  But I understand, you wouldn't have any way of knowing.

You conveniently ignored my request. And so? Come on. You can do better.

 

Enlighten me. Demonstrate to us how Trump WAS NOT played by MBS, Kim, Putin, and especially Xi. Please. I look forward to your thoughtful, and fact filled reply.

[JHolmesJr]

5 hours ago, allen303 said:

Simple little mistakes on a warrant will get it thrown out and all evidence collected are from the Fruit of the Poisonous Tree and inadmissible. I have seen warrants disallowed for simple reasons as the address was off by a house number (2346 vs 2356). The defense team will eat you alive before a judge.

 

 

Second part, if you knowingly falsified information on a warrant you are looking at being prosecuted. Changed information or withhold information on a warrant you are going to get your a-- handed to you in a normal court. In the state of Florida, the FDLE and State Attorneys Office maintains a list of LEOs who have done something like this or similar to this.  It advises the state courts that your testimony can’t be trusted, so pretty much ends your LEO days. But we know the swamp don’t work that was.

 

as I have said, these things cannot be dismissed as small mistakes made unintentionally.

although CNN is desperately trying to spin it that way under Zucker's impeachment imperative

no doubt.

 

Tainted or fraudulently created evidence is grounds for the entire case to be thrown out.

I would go as far as to say that any mention of Trump and his campaign in the entire mueller report

needs to be expunged....apologies and restitution made....they should leave in the Russian attempts

to interfere though.

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

You conveniently ignored my request. And so? Come on. You can do better.

 

Enlighten me. Demonstrate to us how Trump WAS NOT played by MBS, Kim, Putin, and especially Xi. Please. I look forward to your thoughtful, and fact filled reply.

First off, my post had nothing to do with Trump's foreign policy regarding Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Russia, or China.

Secondly, your request is wholly off topic and I'm not about to waste my time only to get my post deleted.

Thirdly, don't expect me or anyone to defend someone's allegation when they provide no evidence in support of their allegation for which they demand someone defend.

Fourthly, I do not play like a fiddle.

And lastly, you did not attempt to address, refute, or otherwise debate anything in my post to which you replied.

 

And so? Come on. You can do better.

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

as I have said, these things cannot be dismissed as small mistakes made unintentionally.

although CNN is desperately trying to spin it that way under Zucker's impeachment imperative

no doubt.

 

Tainted or fraudulently created evidence is grounds for the entire case to be thrown out.

I would go as far as to say that any mention of Trump and his campaign in the entire mueller report

needs to be expunged....apologies and restitution made....they should leave in the Russian attempts

to interfere though.

Absolutely agree.  Nothing they did was unintentional and everything was thoroughly thought out.  The only mistake they made was betting on Hillary and therefore allowing themselves to become very sloppy.

[Tippaporn]

Hannity explaining the degree of misfeasance and malfeasance verified in the IG report.  Worth your while to watch.

 

And to think that Durham's report will be worse.

 

 

 

[Sujo]

18 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Hannity explaining the degree of misfeasance and malfeasance verified in the IG report.  Worth your while to watch.

 

And to think that Durham's report will be worse.

 

 

 

Quoting hannity. He is a walking oxymoron.

[Sujo]

5 pages in and its obvious there are trump supporters that have not read the IG report.