On 1/7/2020 at 9:05 AM, earlinclaifornia said:

 

Latest Fox News polling:

Sunday, December 15

Race/Topic   (Click to Sort)	Poll	Results	Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Biden	FOX News	Biden 48, Trump 41	Biden +7
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders	FOX News	Sanders 49, Trump 43	Sanders +6
General Election: Trump vs. Warren	FOX News	Trump 45, Warren 46	Warren +1
General Election: Trump vs. Buttigieg	FOX News	Trump 42, Buttigieg 43	Buttigieg +1
General Election: Trump vs. Bloomberg	FOX News	Bloomberg 45, Trump 40	Bloomberg +5

Sadly facts and pure logic mean nothing to the brainwashed.  When cornered they just cry conspiracy theory.

10 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Just a little correction for those protesting that Trump tore up Obama's 

peace deal with Iran: read this and weep you sticklers.

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/trump-administration-reaps-what-obama-administration-sowed-iran-deal

 

"The particular manner in which President Obama crafted the Iran deal paved the way for President Trump to withdraw from it.  Obama made the deal on his own presidential authority, in the face of significant domestic opposition, without seeking or receiving approval from the Senate or the Congress.  He was able to do this, and to skirt constitutional requirements for senatorial or congressional consent, because he made the deal as a political commitment rather than a binding legal obligation."

 

Also:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/05/09/if-the-iran-deal-had-been-a-senate-confirmed-treaty-would-trump-have-been-forced-to-stay-in-nope/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obama-took-lying-to-new-heights-with-the-iran-deal/2018/06/07/b75f72d2-6a7c-11e8-9e38-24e693b38637_story.html

 

 

Wasn’t this a multinational agreement completely within Obama’s power to make. Why didn’t the GOP congress seek Supreme Court intervention if Obama exceeded his presidential authority. 

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

As per your link, he blew up the deal.

 

You cant 'blow up' a non-binding deal.

 

6 hours ago, HuskerDo said:

What can I say. We are the best. ???? 

I'd call it paranoid schizophrenia!!

11 hours ago, HuskerDo said:

He's unlike any previous Administration and won't just do the "politically correct thing" to keep everyone happy.

"to keep everyone happy" ???  Where have you been lately?  Sand in your eyes and ears?   You think everyone is happy now?  I am beginning to think you may be a troll trying to convince us the world is flat.

7 hours ago, HuskerDo said:

What can I say. We are the best. ???? 

Yeah but the best at what?

 

The cry in the streets, all around the world, for as long as this old man can remember, has been "GO HOME YANKEE!"

Edited January 8, 20206 yr by ThaiFelix

6 hours ago, stevenl said:

When a superpower tries to control the whole world people will stand up. Ultimately the superpower will lose.

Everyone has seen all of this before too. Too many times. Always the same result. Destabilize the country, kill American soldiers and civilians of occupied country, extract profitable resources and produce the equipment needed for war. Shux i wonder who wins? Such a tough equation to figure out. The world is done with it no doubt. One country stands up like Iraq did and the dominos could very well topple. 

 

 

19 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

 

The cry in the streets, all around the world, for as long as this old man can remember, has been "GO HOME YANKEE!"

Right. And perhaps even more importantly, if you do not go home and continue to occupy and invade a region, don't be surprised if you have military and contractor casualties. And certainly, do not label the people defending their region as terrorists. 

Edited January 8, 20206 yr by meand

2 hours ago, meand said:

 

 

Right. And perhaps even more importantly, if you do not go home and continue to occupy and invade a region, don't be surprised if you have military and contractor casualties. And certainly, do not label the people defending their region as terrorists. 

Precisely, it is their country, it doesn't belong to the US. The US invaded on what everyone in the world with a working brain knows,  were totally false pretences. They are asking the Americans to leave, which is what they should do, otherwise the US  just confirms itself to be a vile Imperialist, exploitative, colonial power. 

 

I believe the Americans have a reason to be against colonialism, or is it ok when they do it. 

 

The original brave fighters who gained freedom from the British would be disgusted at the sick level that Trump and his like have reduced their country to. 

The new war cry of the GOP should be "Onward, Onward, into the cesspit of international shame with Trump.

Trump did this to satisfy a consolidated group of Neo-cons that still exists in Washington, both on the right and left sphere spectrum... Remember, he hasn't started a war like all other presidents did before him so he had to do something.. I don't believe for a 2nd that he wants war, and the Iranians won't start a war either. In a few weeks, this will all have been forgotten and we're back to normal business again. If Hillary was president we would probably already be at war with Iran.

3 hours ago, racket said:

Trump did this to satisfy a consolidated group of Neo-cons that still exists in Washington, both on the right and left sphere spectrum... Remember, he hasn't started a war like all other presidents did before him so he had to do something.. I don't believe for a 2nd that he wants war, and the Iranians won't start a war either. In a few weeks, this will all have been forgotten and we're back to normal business again. If Hillary was president we would probably already be at war with Iran.

If Hillary was president she would not have withdrawn from the agreement in the first place, as Trump did because he hates anything that has been achieved by Obama.

4 hours ago, candide said:

If Hillary was president she would not have withdrawn from the agreement in the first place, as Trump did because he hates anything that has been achieved by Obama.

Trump got elected because people were dissatisfied with Obama, and Hillary couldn't beat him. Obama didn't achieve anything, he empowered Iran and their proxies in the Middle East. I'm not supportive of any action taken with regard to Middle East policy, I just want the U.S. to get the hell out but as I said the action taken by Trump was symbolic just to satisfy a certain group of people.

17 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

You cant 'blow up' a non-binding deal.

 

One opinion says it was non binding, others disagree with that.

 

And it is very well possible to blow up a non-binding deal, just look at what, in your opinion, Trump did.

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