Trump impeachment trial opens as watchdog faults White House on Ukraine

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Impeachment managers should forget the Senate and focus on the real jury: Voters

Given that's what I've been saying for ages I have to agree. The only "trial" that matters is in November.

 

Sadly for the Dems ( and happily for the rest of us ), in a good economy and no major war ( if that continues ) I believe it's almost unheard of for a sitting president to lose a re election.

So the only way the Dems win, IMO, is if the American people suffer a catastrophe, and who would wish that on them?

[Langsuan Man]

As Nancy said so succinctly:  No matter what happens; 

 

President Trump is “impeached for life” 

[Ricohoc]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that's what I've been saying for ages I have to agree. The only "trial" that matters is in November.

 

Sadly for the Dems ( and happily for the rest of us ), in a good economy and no major war ( if that continues ) I believe it's almost unheard of for a sitting president to lose a re election.

So the only way the Dems win, IMO, is if the American people suffer a catastrophe, and who would wish that on them?

The impeachment sham was never about removing Trump (unless the Dems got lucky and stumbled on something).  It's always been about discrediting Trump enough to lose the election to one of the weak socialist Democrat candidates.

 

The "America First" doctrine marches on while those clutching their pearls over mean Trump focus all of their upset on the superficial -- things that don't peel votes away from Trump.  In the meantime, Trump's policies and programs are peeling away votes from demographic groups that will damage the Dem vote total. 

 

I'm sure that Dems are doing all they can to damage Main Street and create some catastrophe that will harm the country and harm Trump.  Main Street would be collateral damage.  No biggie for Dems.  It's about GET TRUMP BECAUSE TRUMP.  That's always been the goal.

[thaibeachlovers]

53 minutes ago, Langsuan Man said:

As Nancy said so succinctly:  No matter what happens; 

 

President Trump is “impeached for life” 

So was Bill Clinton, and he's doing very nicely.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, Ricohoc said:

The impeachment sham was never about removing Trump (unless the Dems got lucky and stumbled on something).  It's always been about discrediting Trump enough to lose the election to one of the weak socialist Democrat candidates.

 

The "America First" doctrine marches on while those clutching their pearls over mean Trump focus all of their upset on the superficial -- things that don't peel votes away from Trump.  In the meantime, Trump's policies and programs are peeling away votes from demographic groups that will damage the Dem vote total. 

 

I'm sure that Dems are doing all they can to damage Main Street and create some catastrophe that will harm the country and harm Trump.  Main Street would be collateral damage.  No biggie for Dems.  It's about GET TRUMP BECAUSE TRUMP.  That's always been the goal.

I've said that a few times. IMO the Dems know they don't have any chance of winning against Trump ( which is why no decent candidates have even tried, IMO ), so they have to get rid of him before the election.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

This is all conspiracy, of course. "

Don't you mean "conspiracy THEORY"?

[Langsuan Man]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So was Bill Clinton, and he's doing very nicely.

Only because he does not suffer from narcissistic personality disorder as Trump does 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Langsuan Man said:

Only because he does not suffer from narcissistic personality disorder as Trump does 

I wasn't aware you are a psychiatrist.

Unless you are, your opinion on psychiatric matters is just that- opinion.

[Assurancetourix]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Don't you mean "conspiracy THEORY"?

Me, I mean nothing ; it's the last phrase of the french journalist .

 

But I think you are right .

[metisdead]

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[WalkingOrders]

On 1/18/2020 at 11:09 AM, Sujo said:

Because having so many things to consider is too difficult for his base. It needs to be dumbed down.

This is a nonsense statement. A childlike playground style insult which is very unlike the way grown people should talk about issues.  The original statement re emoluments was simply an untruth. 

[Mavideol]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So was Bill Clinton, and he's doing very nicely.

different personalities.... Clinton barely or no (ba..s) ego VS Trump's (no ba..s) but (big, very big) ego

[WalkingOrders]

On 1/18/2020 at 12:58 PM, xylophone said:

Firstly, read this again...............Trump settled three different fraud lawsuits related to his Trump University for $25 million. Earlier this month, as the New York Attorney General Letitia James formally announced, the president was “forced to pay $2 million for misusing charitable funds for his own political gain,” and his Trump Foundation was “shut down for its misconduct.” 

trump has been found guilty of misusing charitable funds, and of misconduct with regards to funding and has been forced to pay $2 million.

 

The reason those events that are listed have not been included in the impeachment process is because no current POTUS has ever been convicted of such crimes, and the process for doing so is unprecedented, and is not even clear in the constitution whether this is allowable or not.

 

So basically, following those lines this POS could do just about anything with regards to fraudulent activity and get away with it, however if he weren't president he would be taken to court and probably convicted.

 

The fact that this impeachment focuses on certain aspects is because they are easily definable as being "impeachable offences" whereas fraud, misusing/stealing charitable funds and running a scam are not – – go figure.

 

It basically means that the man is a crook, but little can be done about it at the moment apart from forcing him to pay back the monies. 

Absolute nonsense.

[rhodie]

33 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Facts and the 45 cult of personality fans really don't mix. It's frustrating but what can we do about it? 

Facts and the anti 45 cult of personality fans really don't mix. It's frustrating but what can we do about it? ???? 

[Sujo]

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I wasn't aware you are a psychiatrist.

Unless you are, your opinion on psychiatric matters is just that- opinion.

I suggest you consult a psychiatrist and ask them. Many many have agreed. Cant seem to find one that agrees with you.

[Ricohoc]

23 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So was Bill Clinton, and he's doing very nicely.

Yes, there are hundreds if not thousands of people who are found 'not guilty' every year.  Life goes on.

[Langsuan Man]

23 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I wasn't aware you are a psychiatrist.

Unless you are, your opinion on psychiatric matters is just that- opinion.

Tell you what,  read what a Psychology professor at Northwestern University says and you can share my opinion

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/how-narcissists-wear-out-their-welcome/602446/

[WalkingOrders]

1 hour ago, Langsuan Man said:

Tell you what,  read what a Psychology professor at Northwestern University says and you can share my opinion

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/how-narcissists-wear-out-their-welcome/602446/

See link for the medical ethics of mental health professionals attempting to claim diagnosis of politicians without having a Doctor / Patient relationship.  https://www.psychiatry.org/newsroom/goldwater-rule

[metisdead]

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[WalkingOrders]

On 1/20/2020 at 7:33 AM, Langsuan Man said:

President Trump is “impeached for life”

With a big asterisk that it was THE most partisan impeachment in US history ( failing even full support of their own party),  the only to include vague articles unsupported by alleged statutory crimes, and that it failed miserably in the Senate.... and Durham should show up sometime in the summer by the way...ouch that's gonna hurt (maybe? Just a little bit? Or like a hammer blow to an already demoralized party?)