UbonThani Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 18 minutes ago, Donutz said: 555, going down that path, Plaek Phibunsongkhram -who admired Mussolini- must also have been a commie. Destroying the country from within. Or someone here (UbonThani) hasn't quite figured out the left vs. right scale and authoritarian vs. libertarian. That Mussie, Hitler and friends where extremely authoritarian doesn't make them left winged (or right winged). There policies and views clearly put them on the right hand side of the political axis. But to move this back on topic... I'd love to see a good TV show or movie on Plaek, Pridi etc. They grew up lefties. Both of them. They became more extreme later on. They did not come from the right. They placed stateism ahead of individuals. That makes them lefties. 90% of their writings and speeches supported lefty ideas. If someone eats 10% plants and 90% meat they arent 100% carnivores. Yet the modern left label anyone far right if they disagree. It just shows how out of touch the left are with reality. No concept of history and how views were formed. They live in a bubble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeKoSc Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 You are observing well the changes in our political world. Since a large part of the moderate politicians and left ones moved to the extreme left end of political spectrum whilst the the remaining part of moderates kept their position and become the new extrem rights by the extreme leftists. This was the start of the race for power by the fahr lefts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivor bigun Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 hour ago, sirineou said: I don't agree that it is propaganda, some of it might be, but if all tv series have a left wing orientation , it is only because they are made by successful people in the industry, and successful people tend to be intelligent. Dianne Abbott is successful, as are quite a few others like her ,so that shoots that theory down ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, ivor bigun said: Dianne Abbott is successful, as are quite a few others like her ,so that shoots that theory down ???? You mean there's someone else like her? Name names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivor bigun Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 Mind you there can be the reverse in some shows ,in Silent Witness the wheelchair bound forensic scientist lady who originally was included for diversity they portray as having a husband when they should have gone the whole hog and had her being a lesbian with a wife . Oh wait a minute ,in real life she is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivor bigun Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said: You mean there's someone else like her? Name names. Corbyn ,a Labour leader that destroyed his party and made it unelectable. Edited February 9, 2020 by ivor bigun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salerno Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said: You mean there's someone else like her? Name names. You mean that literally, or just people that can be deemed as "successful" who show somewhat lacking in the intelligence stakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Just now, ivor bigun said: Mind you there can be the reverse in some shows ,in Silent Witness the wheelchair bound forensic scientist lady who originally was included for diversity they portray as having a husband when they should have gone the whole hog and had her being a lesbian with a wife . Oh wait a minute ,in real life she is. Nooo. Thats one lesbian show I don't want to see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Just now, ivor bigun said: Corbyn ,a Labour leader that destroyed his party and made it unelectable. He's not a woman (probably), he's not black and he's competent at maths. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivor bigun Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said: He's not a woman (probably), he's not black and he's competent at maths. Try again. Oh come on off the top of my head at this time of night ? we all know many who get into high office are succesful and earn loads of cash ,but are not that bright ,Dianne Abbotts son for one ,she gave him a really good job with a great salary ,but look what he did , back home i knew a guy who had a great job ,earned a fortune ,but was like two planks ,got the job through family connections . Edited February 9, 2020 by ivor bigun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, ivor bigun said: Oh come on off the top of my head at this time of night ? we all know many who get into high office are succesful and earn loads of cash ,but are not that bright ,Dianne Abbotts son for one ,she gave him a really good job with a great salary ,but look what he did , He noshed on a copper, we've all been tempted to do that at some time in our lives. Anyway, innocent until proven guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sirineou Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 30 minutes ago, ivor bigun said: Dianne Abbott is successful, as are quite a few others like her ,so that shoots that theory down ???? Then she should be making more conservative view TV series, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androokery Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 3 hours ago, UbonThani said: Not much. 90% plus from the left. You need to get out more and experience the world. So the national socialists in Germany were an anomaly, not representative of other right wingers as yourself? Or were they the 10%? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post androokery Posted February 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) After reading through all the posts my conclusions are: UbonThani thinks TV shows are left wing because he/she is far right UbonThani thinks Wikipedia is left wing because he/she is far right UbonThani is desperately trying to interpret history to say that Hitler and Mussolini were left wing so that he/she can maintain an extreme right wing position without taking responsibility for atrocities committed by the aforementioned individuals and their organisations. Edited February 9, 2020 by androokery Grammar and mistaken identity of OP 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thainess Posted February 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2020 They aren't left-wing propaganda in the slightest. The problem is most likely that you have aged and become a brainwashed right-wing nut who paranoiacally sees left-wing propaganda hidden everywhere. Consult your friendly local psychiatrist. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post codebunny Posted February 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) ...because the left is for losers. They hijacked the media, and infested it with their propaganda from the 90s onwards, but their deranged reign of terror is coming to an end. ...relax, and watch them eat themselves. They are paranoid, brainwashed, and deranged cult-like nutjobs and see right-wingers everywhere. They should consult their local friendly psychiatrist. Edited February 9, 2020 by codebunny 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, androokery said: After reading through all the posts my conclusions are: UbonThani thinks TV shows are left wing because he/she is far right UbonThani thinks Wikipedia is left wing because he/she is far right UbonThani is desperately trying to interpret history to say that Hitler and Mussolini were left wing so that he/she can maintain an extreme right wing position without taking responsibility for atrocities committed by the aforementioned individuals and their organisations. All the above points are quite common in History forums-especially those in which Americans tend to dominate. They utilise an authoritarian/corporatist (leftist)-Individualistic (rightest) spectrum.As a model it certainly leads to some interesting points of view.... Edited February 9, 2020 by Odysseus123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codebunny Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 When a large number of people think that TV shows, wikipedia, and history are left-wing, as they do... then you're contrivance breaks down rather dramatically. This phenomena has been observable in the UK since the 1990s, and coincides with the rise of New Labour, and the wokewashing cult. QED. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I am so glad I never watch nor never have watched soaps ! One exception and many years ago. " Soap". lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, ivor bigun said: I've just given up watching the series Granchester set in a village in the 60's, don't know if any of you watch it ,a few series back they made one of the vicars gay ,well no real problem with that ,but in the latest series there is always a mixed race couple ,gay couples and more and more black people ,why ? in modern series i can see that there would be more people of colour but now even in the olden day series more and more are taking center stage ,that and men married to men or visa versa. Am i racist or is it that we are constantly being told through the media that minorities are the Norm? by the way my second most favourite cop show is Luther , anyway that's my rant for the day ,if you want you can have a go at me ,lol but what do you think? It's spread to Google as well. If you search eg American inventors, you get another bizarre result. Edited February 9, 2020 by katana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonThani Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Check out Steve Hughes on youtube. A non pc " right wing " comedian. 95% of comedians now are far left totally pc climate loonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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UbonThani Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ceS_jkKjIgo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 9 hours ago, androokery said: So the national socialists in Germany were an anomaly, not representative of other right wingers as yourself? Or were they the 10%? The Nazi's were all three. They were socialists ( they took over them means of production and set price controls). They were fascists, (they insisted on unity of ideology discarding democratic practice, enforced dogma with violence). And they were nationalists, in which they chose the Jewish people to represent their mortal enemy, as well as other cultures that offended their nationalism. All of these things fit on the left side of the spectrum, but it is not to say that right wingers cannot be nationalist or fascist. And communist nations are often the most nationalist of all. The right left analogy is not very effective, except that demonstrates polarity. The world is not necessarily being split right to left, but rather from light to dark. In other words we are being pulled by humanists away from wisdom attained in the age of enlightenment and towards the moral decay that represents the collapse of empires. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UbonThani Posted February 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: The Nazi's were all three. They were socialists ( they took over them means of production and set price controls). They were fascists, (they insisted on unity of ideology discarding democratic practice, enforced dogma with violence). And they were nationalists, in which they chose the Jewish people to represent their mortal enemy, as well as other cultures that offended their nationalism. All of these things fit on the left side of the spectrum, but it is not to say that right wingers cannot be nationalist or fascist. And communist nations are often the most nationalist of all. The right left analogy is not very effective, except that demonstrates polarity. The world is not necessarily being split right to left, but rather from light to dark. In other words we are being pulled by humanists away from wisdom attained in the age of enlightenment and towards the moral decay that represents the collapse of empires. Correct. Someone who thinks. Fascism and nationalism is mostly left wing. These days if someone is anti immigration even if 90% of their views are socialist they get labelled far right even though it's far left nations with the strongest policies. Modern hippy lefties just don't get it. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonThani Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 9 hours ago, Odysseus123 said: All the above points are quite common in History forums-especially those in which Americans tend to dominate. They utilise an authoritarian/corporatist (leftist)-Individualistic (rightest) spectrum.As a model it certainly leads to some interesting points of view.... Historical facts are that Hitler and Mussolini mostly had left wing views. Read their speeches. Only the ignorant and far left claim otherwise. Was Greg Norman a golfer or a tennis player? The far left would say he was a tennis player cause he married one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonThani Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 The economics of Italian Fascism is often ignored or trivialized because so much of it is found in today’s world economies. Consider some of the components of fascist economics: central planning, heavy state subsidies, protectionism (high tariffs), steep levels of nationalization, rampant cronyism, large deficits, high government spending, bank and industry bailouts, overlapping bureaucracy, massive social welfare programs, crushing national debt, bouts of inflation and “a highly regulated, multiclass, integrated national economic structure.”1 That's socialist by today's definition. Mussolini would belong to any modern day socialist party if alive today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivor bigun Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 10 hours ago, Thainess said: They aren't left-wing propaganda in the slightest. The problem is most likely that you have aged and become a brainwashed right-wing nut who paranoiacally sees left-wing propaganda hidden everywhere. Consult your friendly local psychiatrist. Oh careful ,you might melt ,its to hot over here for snowflakes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Thainess said: They aren't left-wing propaganda in the slightest. The problem is most likely that you have aged and become a brainwashed right-wing nut who paranoiacally sees left-wing propaganda hidden everywhere. Consult your friendly local psychiatrist. Nah, everything on the Tv/Cinema is pandering and worshipping women these days. And the results are plain for everyone to see, just look around at the good looking young white male tourists, and their fat girlfriends. White men no longer have any pride or sense of worth. Anyone who dares to speak out will have their facebook, youtube and twitter accounts removed. Edited February 10, 2020 by BritManToo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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