Sinn Fein demands place in Irish government after electoral 'revolution'

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, AussieBob18 said:

 I would put them on the spectrum of Britain First, only probably further, as they have close links with murderers.

So you are not answering my question. Do that and I will reciprocate.

[Laughing Gravy]

24 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

You need to learn a bit about statistical polling methods, LG. If executed correctly, a poll of 1600 people could tell you what the entire US was thinking. 

I know all about statistics thank you and polling. look what happened in your Independence referendum and the leaving of the EU.

 

I could go on but my point is made.

 

 

[winslowsjardine]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

They are not a nationalist party in the way the UKIP or other right wing nationalist parties are. They are very inclusive of people of different ethnicities amongst other things. Are you even familiar with their party platform or how the voted in the EP?

Exactly!

[thequietman]

20 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

The treatment of soldier X is shocking and noting to do with brexit or brexiters.

Do you mean soldier F  ?

[RuamRudy]

10 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I know all about statistics thank you and polling. look what happened in your Independence referendum and the leaving of the EU.

 

I could go on but my point is made.

 

 

Judging by your posts about Ashcroft's poll, I think you know all about statistics in the way Trump knows all about windmills. 

 

The point is, indeed, made, just not in the way you think it is. 

[Laughing Gravy]

3 minutes ago, thequietman said:

Do you mean soldier F  ?

You are quite right. My typing fingers in the morning are not always as accurate but I think people knew what I meant. But I thank you for pointing it out.????

[thequietman]

34 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

My gut feeling is that you obviously have no idea of what loyalist feel in NI

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/six-held-over-loyalist-paramilitary-organisation-s-criminal-activities-1.3843410

[Laughing Gravy]

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Judging by your posts about Ashcroft's poll, I think you know all about statistics in the way Trump knows all about windmills. 

Thanks for letting me know your opinion. So are you saying there were no polls indicating that Scottish independence would win and the leave campaign would lose or is your silence for a reason.

 

Still waiting for that reply on the finance minister, while we are at it.

[thequietman]

2 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You are quite right. My typing fingers in the morning are not always as accurate but I think people knew what I meant. But I thank you for pointing it out.????

Then this should make for interesting reading. Crack on. ????

 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/the-case-for-prosecuting-bloody-sunday-soldier-f/

[Laughing Gravy]

1 minute ago, thequietman said:

Then this should make for interesting reading. Crack on. ????

 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/the-case-for-prosecuting-bloody-sunday-soldier-f/

Yes I have read so many aspects about that day and from both sides. As an ex soldier, you are under orders and have rules of engagement. When  after 40 plus years get blamed and no support from the government and you have Terrorists from both factions getting let out of prison as in the GFA, I can understand service peoples anger.

 

It would seem you will disagree so no point in continuing.

[thequietman]

3 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

As an ex soldier, you are under orders and have rules of engagement.

‘… it is obvious from the massive violence against
civilian populations around the world today and
throughout history that most warring parties do not
see civilians as humanitarian agencies might like
them to. Either they do not find civilians particularly
innocent or they decide that, innocent or not, killing
them is useful, necessary or inevitable in their wars.’
Hugo Slim, Killing Civilians—
Method, Madness and Morality in War, 2007.

[RuamRudy]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Firstly NI would not accept the euro so that is blown out the water.

 

That is not an economic argument, and as NI voted strongly to remain in the EU, I am not even sure it is a credible argument. Do you have data to back that up?

 

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Secondly Ireland and its economy are struggling and if the UK leaves without a favourable deal it will be in recession for years so no way there will be reunification.

 

"FocusEconomics panelists project [Irish] GDP to grow 3.3% in 2020, which is up 0.2 percentage points from last month’s forecast, and 2.9% in 2021." 

https://www.focus-economics.com/countries/ireland

 

"In our main scenario, we project UK economic growth to remain modest at 1.2% in 2019 and around 1% in 2020, somewhat below its long-term average rate of around 2%. These projections assume an orderly exit from the EU, however, risks are weighted to the downside over this period due to the possibility of a more disorderly Brexit as well as global economic risks." 

https://www.pwc.co.uk/services/economics-policy/insights/uk-economic-outlook.html

 

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Read it and you will see what he thinks how NI would vote.

 

I am not sure what you are getting at here as the link you supplied has no subjective input from Ashcroft, only the responses from those surveyed. 

 

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Or the IRA terrorists. Not all DUP members are terrorist or are you labeling them that way.

 

Whataboutery. But, staying in the context of your whataboutery, you are labeling all SF members as terrorists. As for the DUP, have you forgotten this:

 

 

 

[RuamRudy]

15 minutes ago, thequietman said:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/six-held-over-loyalist-paramilitary-organisation-s-criminal-activities-1.3843410

Can you edit this please? The quote you attributed to me is not actually mine.

[Laughing Gravy]

5 minutes ago, thequietman said:

‘… it is obvious from the massive violence against
civilian populations around the world today and
throughout history that most warring parties do not
see civilians as humanitarian agencies might like
them to. Either they do not find civilians particularly
innocent or they decide that, innocent or not, killing
them is useful, necessary or inevitable in their wars.’
Hugo Slim, Killing Civilians—
Method, Madness and Morality in War, 2007.

I find that you don't answer questions just post quotes or send links to articles. Is there a reason for that?

 

If you don't then you will not be getting a response.

[RuamRudy]

20 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Thanks for letting me know your opinion. So are you saying there were no polls indicating that Scottish independence would win and the leave campaign would lose or is your silence for a reason.

 

Still waiting for that reply on the finance minister, while we are at it.

Lest I get accused of trying to change the subject...

 

There was, to the best of my knowledge, 1 poll indicating Yes would win the independence vote. Wikipedia backs this up. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

 

I must be honest that I have ignored your question on Mackay because I genuinely find it offensive that you would ask me or anyone else. I would think it beneath most people on these boards to ask a fellow poster such a question. 

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

Lest I get accused of trying to change the subject...

 

There was, to the best of my knowledge, 1 poll indicating Yes would win the independence vote. Wikipedia backs this up. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

 

I must be honest that I have ignored your question on Mackay because I genuinely find it offensive that you would ask me or anyone else. I would think it beneath most people on these boards to ask a fellow poster such a question. 

There were other polls running up to it. You didn't mention the EU referendum. A politicians response again.

 

I guess you ignored the question and I will not ask again, as again a politicians response, where you answer what you want and rarely with a yes or no. 

 

I would say that it was a simple yes or no answer, that speaks volumes to me.

 

Also how would you know what most people think on this board. I imagine if we did a poll, the outcome would be most people would respond with an answer and you know which one would be more prominent too.

[briansbiology]

On 2/10/2020 at 7:35 AM, jonwilly said:

Oh Goody Goody, Bit of luck and they will get a referendum with the North and

manage to Unite to become an Independent Member of the EU.

 

john

Bye Bye 

Visitor to the North from 69-90, Please GO.

I would love a united Ireland but "independent member of the EU"?????? 

 

Bit like being a solo dancer in a dance troupe my friend........

[RuamRudy]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Also how would you know what most people think on this board. 

I don't recall saying that I did.

 

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I imagine if we did a poll, the outcome would be most people would respond with an answer and you know which one would be more prominent too.

Oh sweet baby jesus - do you even think when you type?

[sandyf]

On 2/12/2020 at 1:30 PM, Laughing Gravy said:

You do like to label everything into Brexiters don't you.

I am speaking as an ex soldier. Regardless of what UK government have been in power Labour/Cons they have failed soldiers.

 

The treatment of soldier X is shocking and noting to do with brexit or brexiters. So once again you do a lot of assuming with this nonsense statement below that you just pluck out of your crystal ball "You obviously believe it is quite acceptable for the UK government to avoid pursuing the verdict of a UK court".

 

Of course it is all about brexiteers, who else sent the country on the path it is taking.

The first post after the OP on this thread introduced brexit and condemned Sinn Fein as Irish terrorists, didn't you.

Brexiteers are trying to lay a path across the Atlantic but you refuse to accept the destination has more dead on its hands than Ireland ever did.

There are outstanding legal issues that anyone with any respect for justice would want to see resolved. What sort of ex soldier is quite happy to see the families of other soldiers go without justice.   

[Laughing Gravy]

10 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Of course it is all about brexiteers, who else sent the country on the path it is taking.

The first post after the OP on this thread introduced brexit and condemned Sinn Fein as Irish terrorists, didn't you.

Brexiteers are trying to lay a path across the Atlantic but you refuse to accept the destination has more dead on its hands than Ireland ever did.

There are outstanding legal issues that anyone with any respect for justice would want to see resolved. What sort of ex soldier is quite happy to see the families of other soldiers go without justice.   

You need to get over labelling everything as brexiters. That's your problem. Its one ex soldier concern for another.

 

Sinn Fein have been explicitly linked to the IRA terrorists and continually do so.  What about all terrorsits, yes not just IRA, UVF, UFF and the GFA who are walking the streets now as free men.

 

See no need to use the word brexit in that paragraph.

 

[Laughing Gravy]

23 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

I don't recall saying that I did.

 

Oh sweet baby jesus - do you even think when you type?

Yes so shall we have one. So TV Posters a man who is in a very prominent positions say finance minister, of as political party text messages your 16 year old son/daughter 270 with inappropriate content.

 

As it is not illegal would you 1. be happy or 2 not be happy.

 

I think I know the majority responses, so no need to call on Jesus.

[RuamRudy]

42 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Yes so shall we have one. So TV Posters a man who is in a very prominent positions say finance minister, of as political party text messages your 16 year old son/daughter 270 with inappropriate content.

 

As it is not illegal would you 1. be happy or 2 not be happy.

 

I think I know the majority responses, so no need to call on Jesus.

Either you have chosen to write in the style of William Burroughs or I am correct in my assessment. Either way, you appear to be doing your damnedest to confirm Grouse's sweeping assessment of Brexiteers.

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Either you have chosen to write in the style of William Burroughs or I am correct in my assessment. Either way, you appear to be doing your damnedest to confirm Grouse's sweeping assessment of Brexiteers.

If you answered LGs question about Mackay, we could all go home, instead of deviating. Very clever to bring member Grouse into the equation who has not been seen for love nor money for a time to tell us we are all stupid, but that is all part of team SNP and social members strategy.

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

If you answered LGs question about Mackay, we could all go home, instead of deviating. Very clever to bring member Grouse into the equation who has not been seen for love nor money for a time to tell us we are all stupid, but that is all part of team SNP and social members strategy.

This topic is not about me, but about Sinn Fein and the increasing likelihood that NI will be the first part of the UK to save itself from the sinking ship.

 

As I explained to LG on several occasions, I find his question asinine and offensive. However, like a dog with a bone and not much else, he is refusing to let go, using my refusal to entertain such a tawdry question as a means to cover his multiple howlers in this thread. 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

This topic is not about me, but about Sinn Fein and the increasing likelihood that NI will be the first part of the UK to save itself from the sinking ship.

 

As I explained to LG on several occasions, I find his question asinine and offensive. However, like a dog with a bone and not much else, he is refusing to let go, using my refusal to entertain such a tawdry question as a means to cover his multiple howlers in this thread. 

Does that warrant bringing a poster into the argument that was renowned for his insults to brexiteers?

[adammike]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You need to get over labelling everything as brexiters. That's your problem. Its one ex soldier concern for another.

 

Sinn Fein have been explicitly linked to the IRA terrorists and continually do so.  What about all terrorsits, yes not just IRA, UVF, UFF and the GFA who are walking the streets now as free men.

 

See no need to use the word brexit in that paragraph.

 

Things change Sinn Fein no longer have the whiff of cordite and sulphur about them and as somebody said no longer those northern Irish accents.

The younger Irish electorate have no personal knowledge of the trouble.

If a few old soldiers get thrown under a Boris bus remember "it's the will of the people" you voted for it.

It's part of the Tory package as you will soon find out.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

Either you have chosen to write in the style of William Burroughs or I am correct in my assessment. Either way, you appear to be doing your damnedest to confirm Grouse's sweeping assessment of Brexiteers.

So still wont commit. Well at least I will be honest, hold my head up high and would be angered if the Finance minister of the SNP was texting my son or daughter, with inappropriate grooming texts.

But yes I know its not illegal.

 

I guess we have different moral values.

Quoting Grouse as a source of intellect and morality. You have stooped so low.

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

This topic is not about me, but about Sinn Fein and the increasing likelihood that NI will be the first part of the UK to save itself from the sinking ship.

 

As I explained to LG on several occasions, I find his question asinine and offensive. However, like a dog with a bone and not much else, he is refusing to let go, using my refusal to entertain such a tawdry question as a means to cover his multiple howlers in this thread. 

The thread isn't about ???????????????????????????? either but somehow it's one of many hijacked in that direction. I note the same happens during PMQ's most Wednesdays too.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, adammike said:

Things change Sinn Fein no longer have the whiff of cordite and sulphur about them and as somebody said no longer those northern Irish accents.

Still involved with the IRA.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/old-question-of-who-pulls-the-strings-comes-back-to-haunt-sinn-féin-1.4163060

 

1 hour ago, adammike said:

If a few old soldiers get thrown under a Boris bus remember "it's the will of the people" you voted for it.

It's part of the Tory package as you will soon find out.

The lovely old soldier and bus. You voted for it I guess you either like talking riddles or just a load of old tosh.

[RuamRudy]

6 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So still wont commit. Well at least I will be honest, hold my head up high and would be angered if the Finance minister of the SNP was texting my son or daughter, with inappropriate grooming texts.

But yes I know its not illegal.

 

I guess we have different moral values.

Quoting Grouse as a source of intellect and morality. You have stooped so low.

An utterly pathetic, insulting response - I genuinely thought better of you than that.