Trump offered to pardon Assange if he cooperated over email leak, UK court hears

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Got a link?

No, personal observations do not have links 

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, Sujo said:

 

 

It may also be of assistance for you to know Rohrabacher has now admitted he offered the patdon to assange.

 

So the wh lies yet again. 

No, Rohrabacker offered a pardon to Assange if he passed over documents that proved that the Russians had not been the source of leaked E-mails . 

  That is quite different to what the story in the OP is about 

[Chomper Higgot]

36 minutes ago, sanemax said:

No, Rohrabacker offered a pardon to Assange if he passed over documents that proved that the Russians had not been the source of leaked E-mails . 

  That is quite different to what the story in the OP is about 

That’s what Rohrabacher claims, he is also careful in his choice of words not to directly and explicitly address the accusation made by Assange. 

 

He can of course take the stand under oath.

 

For sure he’s going to be invited to do so.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed. 

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

No, Rohrabacker offered a pardon to Assange if he passed over documents that proved that the Russians had not been the source of leaked E-mails . 

  That is quite different to what the story in the OP is about 

Rohrabacher cannot offer a pardon, he has no authority to pardon. 

 

So assange was correct.

[WalkingOrders]

On 2/20/2020 at 10:22 AM, spidermike007 said:

I think it is fairly easy to presume, that when anything diabolical, underhanded, unethical, or illegal is reported about Trump, there is at least a possibility that it is true. After all, the man has shown himself repeatedly to have no honor, and to consider only the end, and never the means, to which something is achieved. Morality, ethics, and a code of honor are never consideration with him.

Perhaps the same could be said of you? No? I should assume otherwise? You look like a bit of a scoundrel in your photo. ???? The American media again today is claiming Trump is in cahoots with Russia again. Have you ever considered that perhaps MSNBC and CNN, are not the good guys?

[WalkingOrders]

On 2/20/2020 at 12:49 PM, earlinclaifornia said:

Surely you won't hold your breath election eve. Meet me here, ok?

Oh yeah I'm here. 

[WalkingOrders]

On 2/20/2020 at 1:02 PM, spidermike007 said:

Apropo to this post, Trump just announced Ambassador Grunell as the new National Security Advisor. This is part of what makes Trump such a danger to the nation. He deliberately chose personal loyalty over competence and experience. Even Republicans are saying this job is way over his head. Another example of the bottom of the barrel selections of this incompetent President. 

 

Let's go Little Mike. You really need to beat and humiliate this guy. I suggest better debate prep!

In the name of saving the American Republic which you care about so much, you push a billionaire media mogul who literally bought his way to debate stage by paying off the DNC to break their own rules and let him in as a latecomer. The same Democrat party that shut out Bernie the socialist last time is doing it again, and you approve. 

 

The same people here support US intelligent services imbedded party operatives to wield the Intel apparatus against US citizens. Again they do it again. No, we Americans do not need people like you throwing your hat in with the totalitarians. You aren't with us man, you are against us.

[WalkingOrders]

On 2/20/2020 at 1:03 PM, Mavideol said:

oh, and everybody knows the white house will NEVER deny a true story..., you must be kidding, even when caught with their hand in the cookie jar they will deny it

The cookie jar? That implies someone who takes, or is on the take. Who is that? Joe Biden through his son Hunter, and its all coming out. The ones who got millions. And Assange? He embarrassed primarily a very crooked Democrat party.

[WalkingOrders]

On 2/20/2020 at 4:01 PM, albertik said:

Problem was.... he did not commit an impeachable crime.

Nor did he commit any crime.

[WalkingOrders]

On 2/20/2020 at 5:02 PM, mrfill said:

And conversely (and more likely..) if Trump said the Earth was flat and Assange said it was round and had lots of emails from top scientists confirming its shape, you would believe Trump.

Are the Trump haters here arguing they want want Assange forever jailed? A now proved false accusation of Trump offering a Pardon seems to have set them off?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Are the Trump haters here arguing they want want Assange forever jailed? A now proved false accusation of Trump offering a Pardon seems to have set them off?

Once again the accusation has not been ‘proved false’.

[WalkingOrders]

On 2/20/2020 at 5:30 PM, Monomial said:

 

Please explain why any of this story is important. The problem is Trump has so little credibility that his denial is unimportant. On the other side, his attackers have so little credibility that it is quite easy to believe they would fabricate information in order to disparage him.

 

When nobody is considered trustworthy, who cares what anyone says?

 

Why do you believe the story is true rather than false?  Do you have a sworn affidavit in front of a judge under penalty of perjury testifying the claim is 100% factually true and correct in every detail?  I don't believe either side is telling the truth.  There are likely small elements of truth on both sides, but both sides are also probably lying more than they are admitting.

What reason do you have for calling Dana Rohrabacher a liar? Why do you believe his statement that he DID NOT offer a pardon to be suspect?

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts have been removed. 

[WalkingOrders]

On 2/20/2020 at 10:36 PM, bristolboy said:

This isn't exactly a new story. This is from the Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal dates Sep 15, 2017:

GOP Congressman Sought Trump Deal on WikiLeaks, Russia

California’s Dana Rohrabacher asks for pardon of Julian Assange in return for evidence Russia wasn’t source of hacked emails

A U.S. congressman contacted the White House this week trying to broker a deal that would end WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange’s U.S. legal troubles in exchange for what he described as evidence that Russia wasn’t the source of hacked emails published by the antisecrecy website during the 2016 presidential campaign.

The proposal made by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R., Calif.), in a phone call Wednesday with White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, was apparently aimed at resolving the probe of WikiLeaks prompted by Mr. Assange’s publication of secret U.S. government documents in 2010 through a pardon or other act of clemency from President Donald Trump.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-congressman-sought-trump-deal-on-wikileaks-russia-1505509918

Dana Rohrabacher himself, directly quoted, has explicitly denied carrying any message of a pardon from the President to Assange. Now what do you say about the story? The source is posted earlier.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

What reason do you have for calling Dana Rohrabacher a liar? Why do you believe his statement that he DID NOT offer a pardon to be suspect?

Well here’s a good reason.

 

Offering a Pardon to obtain a statement of political use to the President is a clear example of corruption.

 

Rohrabacher is a named person in that corrupt act, he has therefore motive to lie.

 

And incidentally, his ‘denial’ is not entirely a denial.

[WalkingOrders]

4 hours ago, sanemax said:

No, Rohrabacker offered a pardon to Assange if he passed over documents that proved that the Russians had not been the source of leaked E-mails . 

  That is quite different to what the story in the OP is about 

Rohrabacher has already denied doing this. See earlier link in this thread. He explicitly denied carrying any pardon offer.

[spidermike007]

25 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

In the name of saving the American Republic which you care about so much, you push a billionaire media mogul who literally bought his way to debate stage by paying off the DNC to break their own rules and let him in as a latecomer. The same Democrat party that shut out Bernie the socialist last time is doing it again, and you approve. 

 

The same people here support US intelligent services imbedded party operatives to wield the Intel apparatus against US citizens. Again they do it again. No, we Americans do not need people like you throwing your hat in with the totalitarians. You aren't with us man, you are against us.

Here we go again with the inane George Bush Jr. hyperbole. You are either with us or you are against us. There is no grey. There is only black and white. 

[WalkingOrders]

To be clear Dana Rohrabacher denies carrying ANY pardon message to Assange from the President:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51566470

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Rohrabacher has already denied doing this. See earlier link in this thread. He explicitly denied carrying any pardon offer.

Actually he was not so explicit:

 

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/dana-rohrabacher-pointedly-did-not-deny-a-key-allegation-about-his-dealings-with-assange-ex-us-attorney/

 

And he has an odd use of the phrase ‘talk 2 the President’, the only instance in his statement where he uses ‘2’ rather than ‘to’.

 

I say get him on the stand and under oath.

[WalkingOrders]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Once again the accusation has not been ‘proved false’.

Pay attention, that was a question, what are you arguing? Rohrabacher denies offering a Pardon.

[WalkingOrders]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s what Rohrabacher claims, he is also careful in his choice of words not to directly and explicitly address the accusation made by Assange. 

 

He can of course take the stand under oath.

 

For sure he’s going to be invited to do so.

He explicitly said he offered no pardon to Assange , he carried no such offer from the President and explicitly said so. Stop lying here.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, WalkingOrders said:

He explicitly said he offered no pardon to Assange , he carried no such offer from the President and explicitly said so. Stop lying here.

To have done so would be a crime, so has reason to deny.

 

Put him on the stand under oath.

 

If you are sure he has not committed this alleged corruption you’ll welcome his sworn testimony to back him and you up.

[WalkingOrders]

20 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Here we go again with the inane George Bush Jr. hyperbole. You are either with us or you are against us. There is no grey. There is only black and white. 

Things are pretty obvious here. You lack knowledge man.  We could carry on a much longer conversation about the nuance of American politics if you would like. A serious polite offer, not mocking your intelligence, I know you are a brightguy. But you do not understand, and have very simplified views of what is really going on here. This honestly has more to do with candidates that are not who THEY want, then with the man named Trump.

[Chomper Higgot]

Rohrabacher’s assertion the he did not talk 2 the President has a silver lining.

 

Trump can’t claim executive privilege when Rohrabacher is called to give sworn testimony, something he ought to do willingly if he believes he can pull the rug under the Dems on this.

[Sujo]

36 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

What reason do you have for calling Dana Rohrabacher a liar? Why do you believe his statement that he DID NOT offer a pardon to be suspect?

Because he now admits he did offer it.

[WalkingOrders]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Rohrabacher’s assertion the he did not talk 2 the President has a silver lining.

 

Trump can’t claim executive privilege when Rohrabacher is called to give sworn testimony, something he ought to do willingly if he believes he can pull the rug under the Dems on this.

Respectfully, what are you talking about? Executive privilege about what, to whom? In what case? A lawyer made a statement about someone in a court case, said person denies. So? So now what?

 

[Mavideol]

31 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Rohrabacher has already denied doing this. See earlier link in this thread. He explicitly denied carrying any pardon offer.

and you would expect Rohrabcher, a Trump messenger, to tell the truth ?  hmmmmm I very much doubt

[WalkingOrders]

4 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Because he now admits he did offer it.

Source?

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Respectfully, what are you talking about? Executive privilege about what, to whom? In what case? A lawyer made a statement about someone in a court case, said person denies. So? So now what?

 

been there done that...... that person will be harassed/investigated/bad mouth and will be walking around with a red flag over the head and in the worse case will find himself/herself in jail.... with a little bit of luck 20-30 years later (maybe) will be exonerated