2 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

And on subject  I dont think Assange should be pardoned, I think he should come to the USA, be released on bail, tried, plea bargained, if guilty given credit for time served, and sentence communited by the President if given jailtime.

I think assange has done enough time.

Not sure that he is actually guilty of anything, apart from being a bit of a prat, but the scenario you set out above is probably the best he can hope for.

1 minute ago, DoctorG said:

Not sure that he is actually guilty of anything, apart from being a bit of a prat, but the scenario you set out above is probably the best he can hope for.

I agree. I am not sure if he is guilty of anything either.

This latest development illustrates the problem with holding trials without witnesses, the witnesses eventually speak out.

 

While in the meantime a criminal let off the hook openly continues his crime spree.

 

 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This latest development illustrates the problem with holding trials without witnesses, the witnesses eventually speak out.

 

While in the meantime a criminal let off the hook openly continues his crime spree.

 

 

For those being opposed to Mr. Trump :

 

Patience is a virtue.

 

In maximum 4+ years Mr. Trump will be history.

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump was acquired under a Impeachment Trial governed by ‘Senate Impeachment rules’. 

 

 

I assume you meant aquitted. Not aquired, and auto correct got in the way.

 

Yes, the Senate makes the rules. You can find that in the Constitution of the United States of America, which was written to not suffer partisan impeachment attempts very well.

 

A beautiful, well crafted document that continues to stand the test of time.

Why would Trump pardon JA?

No charges means no trial.

Unlike the farce in the senate, real trials involve witnesses, evidence, cross examination, etc... you know, real world stuff

I can't say for sure, but I would bet there is plenty of evidence that shows Trump team involvement with Wikileaks

30 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/dana-rohrabacher-pointedly-did-not-deny-a-key-allegation-about-his-dealings-with-assange-ex-us-attorney/

 

^{Dana statement.}

Trying to stay on point, the above post pretty much sum this up.

 

Rohrabacher is quoted directly that he made no such claim, as coming from the President. So there you have it.

 

What is the argument about now? I assume the next posts will be that he must be lying about his own words, despite no proofs being offered. That's how it goes around here.

6 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Trying to stay on point, the above post pretty much sum this up.

 

Rohrabacher is quoted directly that he made no such claim, as coming from the President. So there you have it.

 

What is the argument about now? I assume the next posts will be that he must be lying about his own words, despite no proofs being offered. That's how it goes around here.

How it goes is: Evidence/Witnesses are hidden or not called, the truth gradually leaks out, finely crafted semantics are woven into denials, the truth continues to leak out.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How it goes is: Evidence/Witnesses are hidden or not called, the truth gradually leaks out, finely crafted semantics are woven into denials, the truth continues to leak out.

All of what you just posted is fantasy that comes from your own mind and neglects that the main witness to the story has publicly denied making the statements attributed to him. So feel free to dispute facts instead of creating propaganda, as if you think by doing so you aide the cause of Justice. A fantasy by the way, in this case is a lie. Lying is wrong. Its not the President lying, or Rohrabacher, or me....it's you. Lying, making things up to win an argument.

1 hour ago, DoctorG said:

It is standard law enforcement practice to offer immunity on the basis of giving up a more valuable culprit.

Yes it is standard practice for prosecutors working for the DoJ to offer an immunity deal (plea bargain), which includes a proffer and a confession of all crimes.

 

The formal procedure with documented and attested records.

 

Assange is not revealing any such thing, he’s revealing a corrupt use of the President’s pardon power to hide evidence in crimes related to the President’s election.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes it is standard practice for prosecutors working for the DoJ to offer an immunity deal (plea bargain), which includes a proffer and a confession of all crimes.

 

The formal procedure with documented and attested records.

 

Assange is not revealing any such thing, he’s revealing a corrupt use of the President’s pardon power to hide evidence in crimes related to the President’s election.

You didn't read above? Rohrabacher denies making such a statement. So what does that do to your theory?

 

 

42 minutes ago, Emdog said:

 

I can't say for sure, but I would bet there is plenty of evidence that shows Trump team involvement with Wikileaks

Does this mean:

 

A. I have seen some evidence.

 

B. I have seen no evidence, but I imagine some, based upon my gut instinct from years of watching crime drama's on TV, coupled with my hatred of the big bad orange man.

5 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

You didn't read above? Rohrabacher denies making such a statement. So what does that do to your theory?

 

 

My theory is that Putin defender Rohrabacher is lying. Will like to see him speak under oath. 

7 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

You didn't read above? Rohrabacher denies making such a statement. So what does that do to your theory?

 

 

Yes I did read it, all of it.

 

Especially the bit about what Rohrabacher has avoided denying.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes I did read it, all of it.

 

Especially the bit about what Rohrabacher has avoided denying.

He specifically denies having conveyed any message to JA from the President of the USA.

An inflammatory post and replies have been removed

I've been saying it all along, that Team DT wanted to bring Assange to The States NOT to prosecute him, but to praise him.  Stone was working on it.

Obama's team would have shuffled him into a supermax.

 

 

25 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

He specifically denies having conveyed any message to JA from the President of the USA.

Let’s see what he has to say under oath.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s see what he has to say under oath.

Who is calling him to testify?

4 hours ago, Sujo said:

Ahh donald, the most disgraced lying impeached president in history.

All true, who do we think is the most truthful Trump, a notorious liar or Assange who has never been caught out in a lie, the arrogance of the US is breath taking.

I think it is fairly easy to presume, that when anything diabolical, underhanded, unethical, or illegal is reported about Trump, there is at least a possibility that it is true. After all, the man has shown himself repeatedly to have no honor, and to consider only the end, and never the means, to which something is achieved. Morality, ethics, and a code of honor are never consideration with him.

Trump will believe any conspiracy theory that makes him look good or make his enemies look bad.  And his sycophants know this.  Whether it's the Obama birther thing, or HIllary's pizzagate, or Rudy and Ukraine or this Rohrabacher character, these douchebags are constantly filling Trump's head with crazy ideas.  But it's on Trump for being stupid enough to believe any of it.  

4 hours ago, ezzra said:

 

 

 

 

Strange that Trump is will so quickly to pardon Assange and not Jonathan Jay Pollard, a former intelligence analyst, who spied for Israel and has completed his jail term as a part of plea bargaining, and yet Obama and Trump, a staunch supporter if Israel refuses to let him leave the US to go live in Israel...

Because Pollard doesn't have anything to trade.  It's a quid pro quo thing, don't you know. 

So Assange was a whistleblower, exposing the war crimes of the USA. He was reporting on the murder of civilians, exposing the US govt for blatant lies, war crimes, murder, coverups, illegal drone strikes, one of which the New York post reported on had killed over 60 children... google Operation Commando Riot..2008..in Azizabad.

At the bottom of the story you can read the names of the 60 children..

He outed the fat cheeto eating Pompeo and his illegial CIA activities in Yemen and the Vault 7 information.

He was arrested in the Ecuadorian embassy after the USA erased the $4.2 billion loan of the Ecuadorian govt...  Assange is not  a US citizen.. wiki leaks is not a US company.. his ties with the USA go as far as exposing them for their lies and war crimes... The US has long tried to associate Iraq and Iran with 9/11.. as an excuse for their lies and gun barrel diplomacy yet neither country had any involvement.. yet 15 of the 19 were Saudi... has the USA attacked Saudi???? Lololol have a look at what Israel and the USA have done to Palestine and every time someone pokes Israel they run and hide behind the Holocaust, all the while commiting there own war crimes and holocaust against the Palestinian population..The israeli security forces should be wearing brown shirts and jack boots.. The USA and Israel attempted to allow IsIs to invade Syria to overthrow Bashar Al Assad until Qassam Sulimani (who was instrumental in the defeat of ISIS in Syria.. and preventing it getting a hold in Iran) went and spoke to Putin and got his help to fight ISIS and support Assad. Assange exposed all of this..... the lies.. the war crimes.. of the USA why wouldn't they be severely embarrassed, humiliated, discredited, exposed, and contrite, as a nation of gutless warmongers. The US trained armed and funded the mujahadin through the CIA...to fight the Russians then walked off and left them... the mujahadin became the Taliban.. and subsequently ISIS.. Assange exposed it all....and the Australian Government hasn't got the balls or the backbone to stand up for him.

 

5 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Easy to miss it, but the Russia collusion hoax collapsed last year,

 

this forum is no place for facts

6 hours ago, simple1 said:

trump exposed for attempted corruption again, again in an effort to cover up Russian interference in 2016 elections. trump is unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA.

 

So you believe this - even though Trump and the ex-congressman deny this? No evidence other than Assange and/or his defense lawyer say so.

 

How quick people are to believe what they want to believe.

2 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

He specifically denies having conveyed any message to JA from the President of the USA.

 

Yep, according to the BBC.

 

But some posters only believe what they want to believe. It goes with being a left wing liberal. You have to ignore reality.

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This latest development illustrates the problem with holding trials without witnesses, the witnesses eventually speak out.

 

While in the meantime a criminal let off the hook openly continues his crime spree.

 

 

 

Straight from the people's socialist playbook! Only in socialist people's republics the witnesses get eliminated before they can speak out.

Edited February 20, 20206 yr by Baerboxer

15 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So you believe this - even though Trump and the ex-congressman deny this? No evidence other than Assange and/or his defense lawyer say so.

 

How quick people are to believe what they want to believe.

So you believe Trump's denial?  Seriously?  The same 16,000+ lies-Trump?  

 

How quick people are to believe what they want to believe.

1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

Who is calling him to testify?

Not the GOP Senators that’s for sure, of late they developed an aversion to calling witnesses.