U.S. death toll from coronavirus hits 19, New York declares emergency

[Eric Loh]

45 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

But the actions of the press and the Democratic party isnt.

Main stream press just reporting the non fact and lies of Trump. Maybe he should be more fact leaning and less lies although that will be extremely hard for a person who has spent his whole life as a con man. 

[EricTh]

USA has the ninth most coronavirus cases in the world now.

 

 

[URMySunshine]

How the Trumpers cheered up their stock realtor genius as little as week ago. How they crowed of their profits. My money's on your glorious leader doing a runner and soonest. That or a 25 when the Repubs decide it's time to send in the men in white coats and put an end to this tragic farce. 

Edited March 8, 2020 by URMySunshine

[sanemax]

7 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

How the Trumpers cheered up their stock realtor genius as little as week ago. How they crowed of their profits. My money's on your glorious leader doing a runner and soonest. That or a 25 when the Repubs decide it's time to send in the men in white coats and put an end to this tragic farce. 

Its rather inappropriate to use a thread about a killer disease just to bash a politician

There are numerous other threads where you can rant about Trump and call him names

[aussienam]

7 hours ago, Proboscis said:

In such small samples, it does not help to extrapolate from case fatality to estimates of number infected. There may be many other factors playing a role.

 

However, I do agree with your contention that the USA has done little to prepare for epidemics. The fact that the USA does not have a public health system is also a major issue as it is through public health systems that a top-down order can be made to implement a policy. In the USA where many poorer people are uninsured, they are unlikely to admit they might have the condition and will often continue to work while infectious.

 

I would say that until the high summer arrives, we might be looking at huge numbers. The fact that the authorities do not have enough test kits and until 10 days ago all samples had to be sent to CDC in Atlanta, Ga. is symptomatic of the lack of a public health system in the country.

With a reported 80% rate of people not requiring hospital treatment, yes I dare say there will be a percentage of people who will become infected but recover without reporting it.  Of the remaining 20%, most need only moderate intervention whilst a smaller amount need intensive treatment.

[URMySunshine]

13 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Its rather inappropriate to use a thread about a killer disease just to bash a politician

There are numerous other threads where you can rant about Trump and call him names

Point taken but the point I inelegantly made is that he is a big part of the problem now with his overarching arrogance and belief he knows more than the experts. The fact he 'washed his hands' and shoved Pence into the front line speaks volumes. Serious times calls for serious people. 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/pedrodacosta/2020/03/07/trumps-lies-about-the-coronavirus-raise-the-risk-of-a-recession/#7c12744b6eb2

Edited March 8, 2020 by URMySunshine

[Opl]

13 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Its rather inappropriate to use a thread about a killer disease just to bash a politician

There are numerous other threads where you can rant about Trump and call him names

Let's quote Trump instead.. as we can trust him to tell the truth:  

Trump said doctors he's come across as the administration tries to get a handle on the outbreak have been surprised about how much he knows about COVID-19. "Maybe I have a natural ability," he said. "Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president."

Edited March 8, 2020 by Opl

[aussienam]

2 hours ago, Ricohoc said:

Millions are infected by influenza in the US every year.  Tens of thousands die from it.

 

This corona stuff has been blown way out of proportion by a media seeking to hang it on Trump -- some way.   More foolishness.

It has reached hysteria levels.  Media are eating this up.  The top players will make huge bucks by promoting fear, shorting the market on the panic selling.  People hedge on these types of events.

Whilst others are fighting each other for toilet rolls .. at the other end of the spectrum.

Edited March 8, 2020 by aussienam

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, URMySunshine said:

Point taken but the point I inelegantly made is that he is a big part of the problem now with his overarching arrogance and belief he knows more than the experts. The fact he 'washed his hands' and shoved Pence into the front line speaks volumes. 

OK, everything's Donalds fault, hes always wrong , everything he says is a lie 

Nows lets get back on topic

[Crazy Alex]

7 hours ago, Proboscis said:

In such small samples, it does not help to extrapolate from case fatality to estimates of number infected. There may be many other factors playing a role.

 

However, I do agree with your contention that the USA has done little to prepare for epidemics. The fact that the USA does not have a public health system is also a major issue as it is through public health systems that a top-down order can be made to implement a policy. In the USA where many poorer people are uninsured, they are unlikely to admit they might have the condition and will often continue to work while infectious.

 

I would say that until the high summer arrives, we might be looking at huge numbers. The fact that the authorities do not have enough test kits and until 10 days ago all samples had to be sent to CDC in Atlanta, Ga. is symptomatic of the lack of a public health system in the country.

Of course the US has a public health system- many, in fact. With you being incorrect about that, the rest of your argument crumbles under its own weight.

[Crazy Alex]

Just now, aussienam said:

It has reached hysteria levels.  Media are eating this up.  The top players will make huge bucks by promoting fear, shorting the market on the panic selling.  People hedge on these types of events.

Indeed. I just saw an ad selling retirement advice under the guise of protecting one's portfolio from coronavirus.

[Crazy Alex]

6 hours ago, Ian Nagle said:

Hope you don't get murdered.

The chances of me being murdered are virtually nil, especially given I live in a city that has been repeatedly named in the top 5 of best cities in the country to live in.

 

Perspective.

[Crazy Alex]

4 hours ago, Drax said:

But not next month ????. Think from an investor perspective, not like a frog in a well. 

Next month I'll have other statistics to provide perspective and will gladly present them to you.

[Crazy Alex]

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

The general impression one gets is that the anti Trumpers would love to see a mass epidemic and a collapse of the economy. 

 

Team USA suffers when folks put their ego needs over the needs of the country.

Indeed, we now have people virtually cheering for a virus. Sadly, it also speaks to the quality of their candidates. The apparent front runner of the week now says we can only reelect Donald Trump.

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

This corona virus is nonpartisan. You just trying to made one up. HHS has declared this a public health emergency. Florida and Washington have declared state of emergency. 400+ has been infected and 19 deaths and likely to rise. Congress has approved an emergency fund of $8.3 B and both sides of the aisle voted for it. S&P declined 11% last week; worst since 2008 and DOW dropped 12%. Its all happening and not an illusion created by the left. It’s real and there is no ego won by playing the partisan card. 

He was posting about the overall Democrat handling of the coronavirus, not the virus itself. I hereby challenge you to show where anyone has stated the coronavirus itself is partisan.

[Tug]

2 hours ago, Ricohoc said:

Millions are infected by influenza in the US every year.  Tens of thousands die from it.

 

This corona stuff has been blown way out of proportion by a media seeking to hang it on Trump -- some way.   More foolishness.

Tell that to the Chinese government I guess they screwed up when the shut down their economy and lost untold billions it’s all a scam to get trump lol do you guys realize how ridiculous you sound lol look bottom line trump is doing his best to down play this incident in his mishandling of it it’s makes him look bad so what.we all knew he would fail the test he’s no leader he’s just a loudmouth New Yorker bilko artist 

[Eric Loh]

17 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

He was posting about the overall Democrat handling of the coronavirus, not the virus itself. I hereby challenge you to show where anyone has stated the coronavirus itself is partisan.

Challenge accepted. 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-coronavirus-democrats-new-hoax-n1145721

[Crazy Alex]

4 minutes ago, Tug said:

Tell that to the Chinese government I guess they screwed up when the shut down their economy and lost untold billions it’s all a scam to get trump lol do you guys realize how ridiculous you sound lol look bottom line trump is doing his best to down play this incident in his mishandling of it it’s makes him look bad so what.we all knew he would fail the test he’s no leader he’s just a loudmouth New Yorker bilko artist 

When has anyone stated the Chinese are engaging in a scam to get Trump?

[Crazy Alex]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Challenge accepted. 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-coronavirus-democrats-new-hoax-n1145721

Challenge not met. Please reread. Nothing at your link says the coronavirus itself is partisan. I'm sure that upon you reviewing my challenge and your response, you will see your error.

[Opl]

17 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Challenge not met. Please reread. Nothing at your link says the coronavirus itself is partisan. I'm sure that upon you reviewing my challenge and your response, you will see your error.

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Challenge not met. Please reread. Nothing at your link says the coronavirus itself is partisan. I'm sure that upon you reviewing my challenge and your response, you will see your error.

Seem you don’t even know what you posted. That “anyone” is your patron Trump and he stated that the corona virus was a “partisan” Dem hoax. Try reading your post again and you will see your error. 

[Crazy Alex]

12 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Seem you don’t even know what you posted. That “anyone” is your patron Trump and he stated that the corona virus was a “partisan” Dem hoax. Try reading your post again and you will see your error. 

He was speaking about the Democrats being partisan, not the virus itself. At least now we have confirmed you have not misunderstood what I said nor the challenge, but have simply decided to be dishonest and try to troll. We're done here. Have a nice day, sir.

[Crazy Alex]

14 minutes ago, Opl said:

Specifically, how does that photograph indicate Trump says the coronavirus itself is partisan?

[sanemax]

16 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Seem you don’t even know what you posted. That “anyone” is your patron Trump and he stated that the corona virus was a “partisan” Dem hoax. Try reading your post again and you will see your error. 

You did not understand what Trump meant .

He wasnt suggesting that Corona was a hoax. 

[Opl]

46 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Specifically, how does that photograph indicate Trump says the coronavirus itself is partisan?

So the KAG red cap means nothing to you?  Looks like an opportunity to politicize an health emergency issue not to be missed by Trump seeking reelection.

Specifically, scientists should not be used to serve a political aim.   

Edited March 8, 2020 by Opl

[Eric Loh]

51 minutes ago, sanemax said:

You did not understand what Trump meant .

He wasnt suggesting that Corona was a hoax. 

He meant every word he said. Russia hoax, impeachment hoax and now corona virus hoax. He has been deflecting and lying and never admit nor apologies for his mistakes his whole adult life. What can be different this time. 

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

He meant every word he said. Russia hoax, impeachment hoax and now corona virus hoax. He has been deflecting and lying and never admit nor apologies for his mistakes his whole adult life. What can be different this time. 

This is serious now. 

He is incapable of stopping his constant political trolling even in these circumstances.

That is not a leader that can be respected and believed. 

It's totally obvious that all he cares about is how things impact on him personally and politically.

Latest outrage. 

He was in ATLANTA CDC lying about the situation with the testing kits which objectively has been very rocky and really shouldn't have been because the USA has had several weeks warning to prepare for the inevitable spread. So instead of telling the truth 45 starts lying about the testing being perfect clownishly related it to one his famous lying talking points about the perfect phone call and perfect transcript of the Ukraine scandal. We already know we've got a bizarre and corrupt toxically narcissist president. But he can't even control himself on such a serious matter. 

[Crazy Alex]

2 hours ago, Opl said:

So the KAG red cap means nothing to you?  Looks like an opportunity to politicize an health emergency issue not to be missed by Trump seeking reelection.

Specifically, scientists should not be used to serve a political aim.   

OK, a subject change. Here's my answer: I don't care about your subject change. I was addressing the notion of a virus being partisan.

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

He meant every word he said. Russia hoax, impeachment hoax and now corona virus hoax. He has been deflecting and lying and never admit nor apologies for his mistakes his whole adult life. What can be different this time. 

Honestly, I am confused. You said he believed every word he said. Then you said he was lying. Both cannot be true. Which is it, in context of the actual topic at hand?

[JHolmesJr]

What a joke...the virus spread is Trumps fault???....Dems have sunk to a level

where they dont even care if they are making sense.

 

No country has got what it takes to handle this mess...no one.

They are short on resources, staff, kits, everything. Because no one

has planned for something like this.

 

Singapore maybe has a better grip than other countries if you go by optics.

But even they are finding that this thing is getting away from them.

 

Its spreading due to the insidiousness of the disease coupled with the 

stupidity and complacency of people....not Trump.

 

You could have 5 million staffers in CDC and you still cant stop it

till you have a vaccine.

 

 

Edited March 8, 2020 by JHolmesJr