Lockdowns not enough to defeat coronavirus: WHO's Ryan

[Magenta408]

Ryan should increase his ethanol increase (if that's possible) because he is in a fog.  World Hell Organization needs a reset. They need to be quarantined to oblivion.

[atyclb]

1 hour ago, Airalee said:

1 hour ago, geriatrickid said:

How about no clinical evidence to support its effectiveness?

The drug has been generic for decades. Big pharma has nothing to do with this.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-options.html

 

kudos to you for taking a couple of minutes to simply research that

[Logosone]

10 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

So many faults with this. Here's a big one: How do you know who the non-symptomatic carriers are if you don't have enough tests?

No more excuses. There should be enough tests. Germany is doing them in the six figures.

 

It's a very simple test, nasal swab, throat swab, off to the lab for PCR, polymerase chain reaction, something that has been done for years for paternity tests and to find genetic illnesses.

 

Germany is doing these tests in the six figures, they are isolating and identifying the sick. Hence their success in keeping the death rate down.

 

Mike from the WHO is telling you, in all this self-isolation madness, what to do!

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

Don't believe the hype! BE LIKE MIKE!

[bristolboy]

21 minutes ago, Logosone said:

No more excuses. There should be enough tests. Germany is doing them in the six figures.

 

It's a very simple test, nasal swab, throat swab, off to the lab for PCR, polymerase chain reaction, something that has been done for years for paternity tests and to find genetic illnesses.

 

Germany is doing these tests in the six figures, they are isolating and identifying the sick. Hence their success in keeping the death rate down.

 

Mike from the WHO is telling you, in all this self-isolation madness, what to do!

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

Don't believe the hype! BE LIKE MIKE!

There are, I believe roughly 85 million germans. I haven't been able to find any figures on how many have been tested. So what does it mean to say that "Germany is doing them in the six figures." That could be anywhere from 100,000 to 999,999. And is that number daily or weekly or monthly? You got a source for whatever number it is that you could share with the rest of us?

[Logosone]

13 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

There are, I believe roughly 85 million germans. I haven't been able to find any figures on how many have been tested. So what does it mean to say that "Germany is doing them in the six figures." That could be anywhere from 100,000 to 999,999. And is that number daily or weekly or monthly? You got a source for whatever number it is that you could share with the rest of us?

In four weeks a single small German company produced 1.4 million tests and gave them to the WHO so that other countries could use them. They have so many they are shipping them abroad to other countries!

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-german-tests-develop-private-pharma-company-cdc-a9406956.html

 

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by Logosone

[bristolboy]

9 minutes ago, Logosone said:

In four weeks a single small German company produced 1.4 million tests and gave them to the WHO so that other countries could use them. They have so many they are shipping them abroad to other countries!

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-german-tests-develop-private-pharma-company-cdc-a9406956.html

 

 

That doesn't answer my question, though, does it?

I did find this:

 "In Germany, where the first approved test was developed, only doctors can prescribe one."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/world/europe/coronavirus-testing-world-countries-cities-states.html

That hardly seems the way to conduct mass testing.

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by bristolboy

[Logosone]

23 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

That doesn't answer my question, though, does it?

I did find this:

 "In Germany, where the first approved test was developed, only doctors can prescribe one."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/world/europe/coronavirus-testing-world-countries-cities-states.html

That hardly seems the way to conduct mass testing.

 

It's all over the internet, how could you possible not find it? Germany is doing more than 160,000 swabs per week at the moment.

 

“The ability to test in Germany is very important,” explained Lothar Wieler of the Robert Koch Institute. “We can do more than 160,000 swabs a week.”

 

https://engnews24h.com/in-italy-the-virus-kills-in-germany-no-the-mystery-of-german-resistance/

 

https://www.ft.com/content/c0755b30-69bb-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

 

The limitation is not the number of test kits. As you saw a very small German company could produce 1.4 million test kits in four weeks. The issue is that you need labs to do the analysis once the test is done. Germany is fortunate that it has many more labs of the kind that are needed than most countries.

 

Still, a lot of testing needs to be done, extremely quickly.

Edited March 23, 2020 by Logosone

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

It's all over the internet, how could you possible not find it? Germany is doing more than 160,000 swabs per week at the moment.

 

“The ability to test in Germany is very important,” explained Lothar Wieler of the Robert Koch Institute. “We can do more than 160,000 swabs a week.”

 

https://engnews24h.com/in-italy-the-virus-kills-in-germany-no-the-mystery-of-german-resistance/

 

https://www.ft.com/content/c0755b30-69bb-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

 

The limitation is not the number of test kits. As you saw a very small Germany company could produce 1.4 million test kits in four weeks. The issue is that you need labs to do the analysis once the test is done. Germany is fortunate that it has many more labs of the kind that are needed than most countries.

 

Still, a lot of testing needs to be done, extremely quickly.

So out of a population of 85 million 160000 tests are being done per week. So to get to the halfway mark at the present rate would take about 5 years or more than 10 years to test everyone. Keep in mind that my reply was to someone who wanted to isolate asymptomatic carriers. I asked how he intended to accomplish this.

[Logosone]

10 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

So out of a population of 85 million 160000 tests are being done per week. So to get to the halfway mark at the present rate would take about 5 years or more than 10 years to test everyone. Keep in mind that my reply was to someone who wanted to isolate asymptomatic carriers. I asked how he intended to accomplish this.

Look, clearly Germany can do 160,000 tests per week now, off the bat. They can produce 1.4 million test kits in 4 weeks per small company. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that this number of 160,000 will be ramped up, can be ramped up and should be ramped up as soon as humanly possible.

 

Let's say, that 160,000 per week were the maximum possibility, which it is not, but let's say it were, then in 12 months close to ten million people could be tested and carriers identified. That would be worth doing, would it not?

 

Now, since a single small German company can produce 1.4 million test kits in four weeks they just have to  put their labs to use 24 hours a day, build more labs, convert existing labs, whatever needs to be done to do more tests, they could probably double it to 20 million in a year very easily.

 

There is no other option. Do you have a better idea than Mike Ryan, is there a better way than to identify and isolate the sick and carriers?

Edited March 23, 2020 by Logosone

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

so what to do? how do you win over this virus?

you don't. simply need to admit that you can't beat this virus.

 

This virus (along with Influenza) can’t be beaten. You can’t win, it will infect most people on the planet in the same manner a cold or influenza does at some point.

 

All that can be done is to minimise the immediate impact of the virus. 

To do the infection rate (speed of spread) has to be minimised so that it spreads more slowly so that when there are serious cases, there are less of them at a time and the health care services are not overwhelmed and can react - when those in serious condition have access to healthcare their chances of not succumbing to the virus are much much greater. 

Additionally, delaying the virus gives us more time to research and learn about the virus and its effects so that we know how to best treat it with existing drugs and to create new drugs and to source a vaccine. 

 

It amazes me how many people think a lock down is supposed to eradicate this virus when the goals are to slow it down so that our medical response can be more effective. 

 

[natway09]

Interesting reading in that WHO (always been a toothless tiger like the UN)

are talking a different language to the clinical viral specualists & even senior Drs fighting in the front lines

[bristolboy]

20 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Look, clearly Germany can do 160,000 tests per week now, off the bat. They can produce 1.4 million test kits in 4 weeks per small company. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that this number of 160,000 will be ramped up, can be ramped up and should be ramped up as soon as humanly possible.

 

Let's say, that 160,000 per week were the maximum possibility, which it is not, but let's say it were, then in 12 months close to ten million people could be tested and carriers identified. That would be worth doing, would it not?

 

Now, since a single small German company can produce 1.4 million test kits in four weeks they just have to  put their labs to use 24 hours a day, build more labs, convert existing labs, whatever needs to be done to do more tests, they could probably double it to 20 million in a year very easily.

 

There is no other option. Do you have a better idea than Mike Ryan, is there a better way than to identify and isolate the sick and carriers?

Isolating such a small percentage of carriers won't have much effect. But epidemiologists do say testing is crucial to track the spread of the virus and to understand how contagious it is. Crucial. But for isolating just asymptomatic carriers, pointless.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

“The danger right now with the lockdowns ... if we don’t put in place the strong public health measures now, when those movement restrictions and lockdowns are lifted, the danger is the disease will jump back up.”

 

What this twit seems to be missing is that in a lot of countries, either the volume of cases has gotten so large that the health authorities have no possible means of tracking and tracing them all, OR in many of Trump's various sh**hole countries, they simple don't have the public health infrastructure that's capable of doing that kind of mass effort.

 

Even the U.S. has basically given up on the notion of trying to test and track everyone, because they simply don't have enough tests, enough personnel, and enough PPE for medical staff to wear when dealing with all those that are not blatantly seriously sick. And if the U.S. can't manage these kinds of things, what are all the sh**hole places supposed to be doing.

 

Plus, the WHO has been against international travel restrictions ever since the outset of this pandemic, and their position on that probably has enables the virus to spread farther and faster than it would have otherwise if the rest of the world would have taken the same kind of severe lockdown measures that China took at the outset (after their original effort to conceal the outbreak was no longer possible).

 

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

it seems to me like a bunch of control freaks from the WHO has 

declared war on "the virus" and they will do anything in their power - and gosh

they do have the power - to get this virus and destroy it, even if the

price is destruction of the global and national economy and throwing tens of millions

into hard poverty and unemployment, which can be no less deadly than this "virus".

 

so what to do? how do you win over this virus?

you don't. simply need to admit that you can't beat this virus.

might be easy for the common sense person to admit, but very

hard for those WHO laboratory graduate to see. that is what happans 

when you give a bunch of medical sceintists too much power over...how to run

the world basically. south america is completely shut down. hundreads of millions

of people are literally sitting at home now, for undefined period, scared to death 

from "the virus" and not sure if they will have anything to eat within a week or two.

is it really worth it? killing the world economy just to kill this virus? 

a virus that kills only 3-4% of those infected? and will propably disapear after few weeks

because it will lose it's spinning power? i don't think so.

so what do i suggest?

simply' let the people go, go back to work and go on with their lives, and those

infected will have to be sent to quarantines places or to die at home, not in hospitals

so they won't danger the health system. it is not less moral than letting hundreads of millions

of people fall into poverty and acctual starvation, not to mention the violent crimes

and psychological problems that will rise from weeks at home, in fear from "the virus" !

idiots WHO crooks, go home and stay there !

that come from !!

 

There’s a vast amount of information and knowledge out there, unfortunately people who are not smart don’t know they are not smart and have no idea of the wealth of knowledge they are unaware of and thus make posts such as above with out really thinking or understanding the clangers they are dropping !!!

 

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is it really worth it? killing the world economy just to kill this virus? 

a virus that kills only 3-4% of those infected?

 

To highlight the numbers talked about above: 

IF 4% of the Worlds Population were to die at a 1 per second rate it would take 8.7years.

IF the virus spread to 20% of the world with a 4% CFR, if one person were to die every 1 second it would take 1.75 years. 

 

When people say ‘only’ 3-4%' I don’t think they’ve really thought through the numbers. 

 

If someone offered you a bowl which contained 100 M&M’s and told you 96 are ok, but 4 of them will kill you, would you chance it and take an M&M ?????

 

Come on... think !

 

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I’m not saying the CFR is 4% (that’s just in response to the post above). 

The CFR for Covid-19 is much much lower and as yet unknown as we are unaware of the vast number of cases of Covid-19 which have gone unreported from those with mild symptoms.

 

 

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by richard_smith237

[chilli42]

8 hours ago, Airalee said:

What about that inexpensive antimalerial I’ve been reading about....hydroxychloroquine.  Or is that not profitable enough for big pharma?  

They will be doing a live test of the malarial/antibiotic combination in New York starting new week. Large sample size.  Will know soon enough if it works to mitigate symptoms.

[Logosone]

20 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Isolating such a small percentage of carriers won't have much effect. But epidemiologists do say testing is crucial to track the spread of the virus and to understand how contagious it is. Crucial. But for isolating just asymptomatic carriers, pointless.

Testing 10 or 20 million of which 6 or 12 million could be carriers won't have much effect?

 

Smh.

 

Testing is pointless to identify and isolate carriers? How else are you going to identify carriers?

 

Listen to what the WHO is saying:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

BE LIKE MIKE!

[Logosone]

20 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

What this twit seems to be missing is that in a lot of countries, either the volume of cases has gotten so large that the health authorities have no possible means of tracking and tracing them all, OR in many of Trump's various sh**hole countries, they simple don't have the public health infrastructure that's capable of doing that kind of mass effort.

 

Even the U.S. has basically given up on the notion of trying to test and track everyone, because they simply don't have enough tests, enough personnel, and enough PPE for medical staff to wear when dealing with all those that are not blatantly seriously sick. And if the U.S. can't manage these kinds of things, what are all the sh**hole places supposed to be doing.

 

Plus, the WHO has been against international travel restrictions ever since the outset of this pandemic, and their position on that probably has enables the virus to spread farther and faster than it would have otherwise if the rest of the world would have taken the same kind of severe lockdown measures that China took at the outset (after their original effort to conceal the outbreak was no longer possible).

 

What you seem to be missing is that test kits are being produced in record numbers.

 

A small, single, German company could produce 1.4 million test kits in the space of 4 weeks. They have so many in Germany they are handing them to the WHO so other countries can use them. 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-german-tests-develop-private-pharma-company-cdc-a9406956.html

 

If a small, single German company can produce 1.4 million test kits in the space of 4 weeks, then there is definitely a possibility that this virus can be defeated.

 

And listen to what the WHO is saying:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

Don't be a defeatist! BE LIKE MIKE!

[bristolboy]

6 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Testing 10 or 20 million of which 6 or 12 million could be carriers won't have much effect?

 

Smh.

 

Testing is pointless to identify and isolate carriers? How else are you going to identify carriers?

 

Listen to what the WHO is saying:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

BE LIKE MIKE!

Another huge flaw. Just because some tests negative once, does that mean they won't be positive for it the next week? How frequently do you plan to test the same person. Once a year, twice a year, 6 times a year....?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 minutes ago, Logosone said:

What you seem to be missing is that test kits are being produced in record numbers.

 

A small, single, German company could produce 1.4 million test kits in the space of 4 weeks. They have so many in Germany they are handing them to the WHO so other countries can use them. 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-german-tests-develop-private-pharma-company-cdc-a9406956.html

 

If a small, single German company can produce 1.4 million test kits in the space of 4 weeks, then there is definitely a possibility that this virus can be defeated.

 

And listen to what the WHO is saying:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

Don't be a defeatist! BE LIKE MIKE!

 

First, they need more than just the kits... They need the re-agents for processing them, which apparently are in short supply. And then, even more lacking, they need PPE for the medical personnel handling the testing, which, at least in the U.S., they don't even have enough of for the medical personnel handling the seriously ill.... much less routine or mass testing.  Bottom line, it just ain't gonna work.

 

Things are so bad with PPE in the U.S. right now, that the U.S. CDC has taken to advising medical staff to wear scarves and bandannas as PPE in lieu of either N95 masks or even drugstore masks, neither of which they have in enough supplies...   And that's the U.S., not Afghanistan, Iran, Africa, etc etc.

 

Listen to what the medical professionals and front line health care folks are saying, not what the politicians and corporate/biotech companies are saying.

Edited March 23, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Logosone]

12 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Another huge flaw. Just because some tests negative once, does that mean they won't be positive for it the next week? How frequently do you plan to test the same person. Once a year, twice a year, 6 times a year....?

As often as is humanly possible under the circumstances.

 

Self-isolation will not work to defeat the virus, it is not a long term solution.

 

The only way to defeat the virus is to identify and isolate. Isolating the healthy from the healthy is not just massively useless, it will actually make testing more difficult, create economic melt down, etc.

 

The only chance we have to defeat the virus is to identify and isolate the carriers. Testing is our best chance.

 

Mike Ryan and the WHO, for once are right:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

BE LIKE MIKE!

[Logosone]

18 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

First, they need more than just the kits... They need the re-agents for processing them, which apparently are in short supply. And then, even more lacking, they need PPE for the medical personnel handling the testing, which, at least in the U.S., they don't even have enough of for the medical personnel handling the seriously ill.... much less routine or mass testing.  Bottom line, it just ain't gonna work.

 

Things are so bad with PPE in the U.S. right now, that the U.S. CDC has taken to advising medical staff to wear scarves and bandannas as PPE in lieu of either N95 masks or even drugstore masks, neither of which they have in enough supplies...   And that's the U.S., not Afghanistan, Iran, Africa, etc etc.

 

Listen to what the medical professionals and front line health care folks are saying, not what the politicians and corporate/biotech companies are saying.

They can wear bin-liners like in the UK for all I care. They are health care professionals, they signed up for this, they knew the score.

 

The ONLY chance we have, the only way we could defeat this virus, is to do mandatory testing.

 

Test, identify, isolate. This should be the focus. To identify and isolate the carriers and the sick.

 

Nobody should be allowed to hide.

 

This is our only hope. If people keep sitting on their asses and do nothing, that window too will close.

 

Listen to what Mike Ryan is saying, the WHO has it right this time:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

Don't be a defeatist! BE LIKE MIKE!

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by Logosone

[bristolboy]

4 minutes ago, Logosone said:

As often as is humanly possible under the circumstances.

 

Self-isolation will not work to defeat the virus, it is not a long term solution.

 

The only way to defeat the virus is to identify and isolate. Isolating the healthy from the healthy is not just massively useless, it will actually make testing more difficult, create economic melt down, etc.

 

The only chance we have to defeat the virus is to identify and isolate the carriers. Testing is our best chance.

 

Mike Ryan and the WHO, for once are right:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

BE LIKE MIKE!

Under the circumstances, it doesn't seem that even a yearly checkup is ever likely to occur. 

[Logosone]

7 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Under the circumstances, it doesn't seem that even a yearly checkup is ever likely to occur. 

A small, single German company produced 1.4 million test kits in four weeks.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-german-tests-develop-private-pharma-company-cdc-a9406956.html

 

Can you imagine the possibilities? If the industrial might of the US, all of Europe, China, Japan, concentrate on producing all the test kits, all the personnel, all the labs, that are needed for mandatory testing?

 

We can defeat this virus.

 

I had a villa in East Germany once. It was a newly built structure. But sometimes I'd want to do some improvements. So I was reccomended an electrician. Turns out that electrician was not just an electrician. He was a DIY genius. There was literally nothing he could not fix. Whenever it seemed impossible you know what he said?

 

"If it doesn't fit, you MAKE it fit!"

 

This is what we need to do with the testing infrastructure. We need to make it fit the circumstances.

 

It can be done.

Edited March 23, 2020 by Logosone

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, Logosone said:

They can wear bin-liners like in the UK for all I care. They are health care professionals, they signed up for this, they knew the score.

 

Not if as a result of doing so, they get sick and die and thus are unable to care for the growing masses of people who will need medical care... Please, use some level of intelligence here...

 

Doctors and nurses are getting sick and dying around the world right now, even while wearing protective gear...  And you seem either to be unaware or not to care.

 

[marko kok prong]

Lets hope it does not mutate and become even more deadly,a virus obviously like all living things wants to propogate and survive,what if this is a physco virus it just wants to kill?

[rabas]

23 minutes ago, Logosone said:

They can wear bin-liners like in the UK for all I care. They are health care professionals, they signed up for this, they knew the score.

You don't send soldiers into the field without weapons. That achieves zip. Each downed healthcare worker counts twice, one less healthcare worker and one more patient.

Edited March 23, 2020 by rabas

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

24 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Test, identify, isolate. This should be the focus. To identify and isolate the carriers and the sick.

 No..... not any more....  That battle is lost, at least in urban areas.

 

Quote

In hard-hit areas, testing restricted to health care workers, hospital patients

Officials direct scarce resources where they are needed most to save people’s lives.

 

Health officials in New York, California and other hard-hit parts of the country are restricting coronavirus testing to health care workers and the severely ill, saying the battle to contain the virus is lost and the country is moving into a new phase of the pandemic response.

 

As cases spike sharply in those places, they are bracing for an onslaught and directing scarce resources where they are needed most to save people’s lives. Instead of encouraging broad testing of the public, they’re focused on conserving masks, ventilators and intensive care beds — and on getting still-limited tests to health-care workers and the most vulnerable. The shift is further evidence that rising levels of infection and illness have begun to overwhelm the health care system.

 

A similar message was hammered Saturday by members of the White House coronavirus task force, who said it was urgent to conserve scarce supplies and offered guidelines about who should get tested. Top priority, they said, should go to those who are hospitalized, along with health-care workers, symptomatic residents of long-term care facilities and people over 65 — especially those with heart and lung disease, which place them at higher risk.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/21/coronavirus-testing-strategyshift/

 

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Logosone]

10 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Not if as a result of doing so, they get sick and die and thus are unable to care for the growing masses of people who will need medical care... Please, use some level of intelligence here...

 

Doctors and nurses are getting sick and dying around the world right now, even while wearing protective gear...  And you seem either to be unaware or not to care.

 

And they will die even quicker and in even greater numbers if you don't test, identify and isolate the sick and the carriers!

 

There is no alternative to testing, identifying and isolating.

 

It is in the interests of everyone, all of us. Especially health care providers so they don't have to continue dealing with the tsunami of sick.

 

It's not self isolation that will do this. It is testing, identifying and isolating the sick and carriers.

 

Mike Ryan from the WHO got it right:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

Don't be a defeatist! BE LIKE MIKE!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

And they will die even quicker and in even greater numbers if you don't test, identify and isolate the sick and the carriers!

 

There is no alternative to testing, identifying and isolating.

 

It is in the interests of everyone, all of us. Especially health care providers so they don't have to continue dealing with the tsunami of sick.

 

It's not self isolation that will do this. It is testing, identifying and isolating the sick and carriers.

 

Mike Ryan from the WHO got it right:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

Don't be a defeatist! BE LIKE MIKE!

 

See the Washington Post report above, and the advice now being given by the U.S. government. They don't have the resources to do what you're suggesting, and they're admitting it. Wake up!!!

 

[Logosone]

2 minutes ago, rabas said:

You don't send soldiers into the filed without weapons. That achieves zip. Each downed healthcare worker counts twice, one less healthcare worker and one more patient.

We do have the weapons. They are the tests.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-german-tests-develop-private-pharma-company-cdc-a9406956.html

 

The only way to defeat the virus is to test, identify and isolate. A vaccine will follow.

 

But if you don't test, identify and isolate the sick and carriers, then you are just giving up.

 

Precisely to save the lives of health care workers is it imperative to test, identify and isolate.

 

This will control the virus, it will allow health care workers to live a normal life again.

 

There is no other way to control the virus. Self-isolation won't do it.

 

Listen to what Mike Ryan of the WHO said:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

Don't be a defeatist! BE LIKE MIKE!