Poisoning Or Trapping Rats

[krayner]

I have a resort development in Ranong province and rats from the forest are coming into the bungalows and chewing everything. The staff have put down poison but unfortunately the cat eat a dead or dieing rat and has died.

If this was the UK I would get some humane traps and put the poison in the trap but I guess the much less animal friendly Thais don't bother with such things.

Are then any poisons that become inactive once digested by the host. I guess not as it would no longer be any use at killing the host.

I don't want to risk getting another cat until I can resolve this problem.

[sbk]

There are live traps that you can buy --that is what we use. Ours looks somewhat like this.

[ozzydom]

I have a resort development in Ranong province and rats from the forest are coming into the bungalows and chewing everything. The staff have put down poison but unfortunately the cat eat a dead or dieing rat and has died.

If this was the UK I would get some humane traps and put the poison in the trap but I guess the much less animal friendly Thais don't bother with such things.

Are then any poisons that become inactive once digested by the host. I guess not as it would no longer be any use at killing the host.

I don't want to risk getting another cat until I can resolve this problem.

Think your best bet would be to put a bounty on them as the Government does, that gives your staff the incentive to hunt them down,you get the tail they eat the rest.

They would not be sewer rats I dont reckon but probably a larger variety like a rice rat,the Thais love them to eat.

Or perhaps get a lot of cats and rename it The Pussy Resort

[krayner]

There are live traps that you can buy --that is what we use. Ours looks somewhat like this.

That's the sort of thing that I need. Now I know that is is available in Thailand I will get the staff onto it.

[mosquitoman]

What do you do with the live rat when you have caught it in this type of trap?

MM

[ozzydom]

What do you do with the live rat when you have caught it in this type of trap?

MM

I use them here at the farm,I used to put the whole thing in a garbage can of water and drown them ,but rats are extremely hard to drown so now I just put the trap with rat in a plastic bag ,3foot of garden hose in top and up your car exhaust ,1 minute =dead rat. Does not work on diesel engines.

[krayner]

What do you do with the live rat when you have caught it in this type of trap?

MM

I use them here at the farm,I used to put the whole thing in a garbage can of water and drown them ,but rats are extremely hard to drown so now I just put the trap with rat in a plastic bag ,3foot of garden hose in top and up your car exhaust ,1 minute =dead rat. Does not work on diesel engines.

I was going to ask why it didn't work with a diesel engine but I assume a diesel doesn't produce any Carbon Monoxide.

[ozzydom]

What do you do with the live rat when you have caught it in this type of trap?

MM

I use them here at the farm,I used to put the whole thing in a garbage can of water and drown them ,but rats are extremely hard to drown so now I just put the trap with rat in a plastic bag ,3foot of garden hose in top and up your car exhaust ,1 minute =dead rat. Does not work on diesel engines.

I was going to ask why it didn't work with a diesel engine but I assume a diesel doesn't produce any Carbon Monoxide.

Krayner, yes, diesels produce carbon monoxide but only in small amounts,I tried the truck but 10 minutes on and said rat was still kicking. not an original idea ,people have been topping themselves this way since sedans got wind-up windows.Its supposed to be one of the most humane ways to kill.

Some councils in OZ have roadside dump bins in which you place your unwanted cats, they just stick an exhaust pipe on it and job done.

[Tim207]

I have a resort development in Ranong province and rats from the forest are coming into the bungalows and chewing everything. The staff have put down poison but unfortunately the cat eat a dead or dieing rat and has died.

If this was the UK I would get some humane traps and put the poison in the trap but I guess the much less animal friendly Thais don't bother with such things.

Are then any poisons that become inactive once digested by the host. I guess not as it would no longer be any use at killing the host.

I don't want to risk getting another cat until I can resolve this problem.

At the house my father in law puts out what looks like a dish covered with a thick yellow glue, kind of a rat variation of flypaper. I think he buys them but it is possible he makes them himself. This would be much easier to put in inconspicuous places. As a matter of fact I have never noticed one around the house unless he was holding it with a rat stuck on it.

[Maizefarmer]

Warfarin or Coumadine tablets - 5mg or 10mg (normally used to thin blood in patients at risk from DVT and heart attacks).

Go see a doctor - you'll need a perscription - they cost about Baht 3 each

Crush them up with a mortar & pestal - and then sprinkel/mix in about the eqivilant of one tablet with each portion you put out to feed the rats.

Rat eats food - digests food/tablet - bleeds to death.

[Gary A]

My wife bought a couple of the glue traps. It is some kind of super sticky glue spread on a piece of cardboard. She set them in the garage/workshop and when she checked the next day one of them was gone. I looked all over and finally found it stuck to the bottom of our gate. That poor cat lost a lot of fur.

[sbk]

The glue stuff is horrible, the rats scream ugh

No, my husband gives the rat a sporting chance; he takes the trap down to the beach and lets our two dogs that enjoy hunting at it.

Fuzzy usually wins

[marshbags]

Why kill them

I just put the trap into a plastic bag take them down the road, well away from the village and release them onto the spare ground.

So much nicer and humane.

marshbags

Edited April 13, 2007 by marshbags

[aznyron]

Why kill them

I just put the trap into a plastic bag take them down the road, well away from the village and release them onto the spare ground.

So much nicer and humane. I was going to suggest dogs they will keep the rats away get a couple to hang around the house give them some scrap food and water and they will hunt the rats and chase them away I think LOL

marshbags

[Waterbuffalofarm]

Hallo,greetings from Europe!

We have our house in the North eastern part of Thailand and we had the same troubles with this kind of a animals.I tried everything without of positive results.After to be in contact by an Austrian farmer equipment dealer,he sold me a electronic equipment with echolot sound.

I spended approx.10.000.-THB.But now is finsh with this plague.

Waterbuffalo

[Tony Clifton]

What do you do with the live rat when you have caught it in this type of trap?

MM

I drop the cage in a 5 gallon paint bucket and drown them.

I have a resort development in Ranong province and rats from the forest are coming into the bungalows and chewing everything. The staff have put down poison but unfortunately the cat eat a dead or dieing rat and has died.

If this was the UK I would get some humane traps and put the poison in the trap but I guess the much less animal friendly Thais don't bother with such things.

Are then any poisons that become inactive once digested by the host. I guess not as it would no longer be any use at killing the host.

I don't want to risk getting another cat until I can resolve this problem.

At the house my father in law puts out what looks like a dish covered with a thick yellow glue, kind of a rat variation of flypaper. I think he buys them but it is possible he makes them himself. This would be much easier to put in inconspicuous places. As a matter of fact I have never noticed one around the house unless he was holding it with a rat stuck on it.

I`ve stopped using the glue traps for rats as too often , I ve caught birds, jing joks. They smell horrible in a matter of hours. Nothing beats the cage/trap.

[Lickey]

My dad used to find the source/hole of the rats, then put hosepipe down hole, flush them out and if he didnt get them with a fork, our dog certainly would, another way he used if the hosepipe wasnt long enough would be to roll up a golf-ball or smaller size of newspaper, soak it in red diesel, set fire to it, roll it down the hole and wait with his fork and dog,,both methods give quick results if you can find the source,

When i was 14, i got my first airgun, dad being a 8th army munitions man in WW2 was in his element with this, as the half drowned or smoked out rats came out of the hole, he would pick them off, much to dogs disgust cos he wanted the play and chase!!

Dont know if you can buy an airgun/slug gun here, but its got to be cheaper than gassing them with a truck or similar!

[Somtham]

My dad used to find the source/hole of the rats, then put hosepipe down hole, flush them out and if he didnt get them with a fork, our dog certainly would, another way he used if the hosepipe wasnt long enough would be to roll up a golf-ball or smaller size of newspaper, soak it in red diesel, set fire to it, roll it down the hole and wait with his fork and dog,,both methods give quick results if you can find the source,

When i was 14, i got my first airgun, dad being a 8th army munitions man in WW2 was in his element with this, as the half drowned or smoked out rats came out of the hole, he would pick them off, much to dogs disgust cos he wanted the play and chase!!

Dont know if you can buy an airgun/slug gun here, but its got to be cheaper than gassing them with a truck or similar!

I think it's hard to beat these time tested organic traps. Get several.

[Gary A]

I'm not sure they are the best. My brother in law has a little dog that is better than any cat I ever saw. The dog has a lot of patience and when he catches a rat, there is no playing with it, just crunching. Unfortunately the dog also catches my lizards so I don't like her to come over anymore.

[ewelve]

My dad used to find the source/hole of the rats, then put hosepipe down hole, flush them out and if he didnt get them with a fork, our dog certainly would, another way he used if the hosepipe wasnt long enough would be to roll up a golf-ball or smaller size of newspaper, soak it in red diesel, set fire to it, roll it down the hole and wait with his fork and dog,,both methods give quick results if you can find the source,

When i was 14, i got my first airgun, dad being a 8th army munitions man in WW2 was in his element with this, as the half drowned or smoked out rats came out of the hole, he would pick them off, much to dogs disgust cos he wanted the play and chase!!

Dont know if you can buy an airgun/slug gun here, but its got to be cheaper than gassing them with a truck or similar!

Hey guys i have been wondering about that for years over here, are we allowed or can we purchase an airgun, i have a prob with rats now and again (not many cos of my dog), but i have a path nearby next to a pond and the old snakes love it and sometimes stray across the road to our house but the main problem is a pack of vicious dogs snarling at my little one, dont want to poison them, saw it happen once, bastard of a death, but if i can shoot them up the ass everytime they come near then they will keep away, dont want to get anything bigger as the neighbours wont like the bangs and my eyesight isnt getting any better

Regards Ewelve

[chownah]

Air guns are available at many of the store fronts in Mae Sai (northern tip of Thailand)..they shoot lead pellets which they sell too.

You can also use the low tech approach and get a sling shot.....available almost everywhere in Thailand....usually used to shoot rocks...they're available almost everywhere in Thailand too!!!

Chownah

[Farma]

We had a shop located between a rice storage warehouse and a bakery. You can imagine the rat race that went on between those too places. We were using those glue traps and catching 5 to 7 rats each night per trap. It was a never ending job getting rid of the rats.

The best solution we found came from some small blue rat blocks made by a major Oz pest control company and sold in hardware and garden centers in Oz. I carried a few packs back from Oz with me.

It didn’t take many blocks to have the problem under control and they last a long time. There was still the odd rat but nowhere near plague we had before.

[chang35baht]

What do you do with the live rat when you have caught it in this type of trap?

MM

I drop the cage in a 5 gallon paint bucket and drown them.

I have a resort development in Ranong province and rats from the forest are coming into the bungalows and chewing everything. The staff have put down poison but unfortunately the cat eat a dead or dieing rat and has died.

If this was the UK I would get some humane traps and put the poison in the trap but I guess the much less animal friendly Thais don't bother with such things.

Are then any poisons that become inactive once digested by the host. I guess not as it would no longer be any use at killing the host.

I don't want to risk getting another cat until I can resolve this problem.

At the house my father in law puts out what looks like a dish covered with a thick yellow glue, kind of a rat variation of flypaper. I think he buys them but it is possible he makes them himself. This would be much easier to put in inconspicuous places. As a matter of fact I have never noticed one around the house unless he was holding it with a rat stuck on it.

I`ve stopped using the glue traps for rats as too often , I ve caught birds, jing joks. They smell horrible in a matter of hours. Nothing beats the cage/trap.

What colour do you drown them?

[safetynet]

I have a resort development in Ranong province and rats from the forest are coming into the bungalows and chewing everything. The staff have put down poison but unfortunately the cat eat a dead or dieing rat and has died.

If this was the UK I would get some humane traps and put the poison in the trap but I guess the much less animal friendly Thais don't bother with such things.

Are then any poisons that become inactive once digested by the host. I guess not as it would no longer be any use at killing the host.

I don't want to risk getting another cat until I can resolve this problem.

Hi Krayner, i run a Pest Control Co in Thailand, you can buy many anti-coagulant poisons in Thailand, maybe 7/11 or other type shops, these meaning they wont cause secondary poisoning, so if you were to use these as permanent points around the boundary of your resort then you should stop them coming into your resort b4 they start causing you too many probs, look for ones with Coumatetralyl on the active ingredients, (usually in english) you have to check the bait every 2 days and topp up as necessary, these poisons work on thinning the blood down, so they die of internal haemorraging, pretty much painless, sometimes you will see them wandering around during daylight, you can either knock em on the head with a stick or let the cat have em, no problem atall for the cat,

all the best Safetynet

[phibunmike]

Hi Krayner, i run a Pest Control Co in Thailand, ...

all the best Safetynet

SafetyNet> Sorry, this is off topic, but what about termites?

Thanks,

Mike

[Loom]

I have a resort development in Ranong province and rats from the forest are coming into the bungalows and chewing everything. The staff have put down poison but unfortunately the cat eat a dead or dieing rat and has died.

If this was the UK I would get some humane traps and put the poison in the trap but I guess the much less animal friendly Thais don't bother with such things.

Are then any poisons that become inactive once digested by the host. I guess not as it would no longer be any use at killing the host.

I don't want to risk getting another cat until I can resolve this problem.

Hi Krayner, i run a Pest Control Co in Thailand, you can buy many anti-coagulant poisons in Thailand, maybe 7/11 or other type shops, these meaning they wont cause secondary poisoning, so if you were to use these as permanent points around the boundary of your resort then you should stop them coming into your resort b4 they start causing you too many probs, look for ones with Coumatetralyl on the active ingredients, (usually in english) you have to check the bait every 2 days and topp up as necessary, these poisons work on thinning the blood down, so they die of internal haemorraging, pretty much painless, sometimes you will see them wandering around during daylight, you can either knock em on the head with a stick or let the cat have em, no problem atall for the cat,

all the best Safetynet

Bait using barium carbonate is probably the stuff that causes secondary poisoning.

[safetynet]

Hi Krayner, i run a Pest Control Co in Thailand, ...

all the best Safetynet

SafetyNet> Sorry, this is off topic, but what about termites?

Thanks,

Mike

Hi Mike, termites are a real pain to control, my advice to any one starting a construction of a building would be to have the least ammount of Timber door frames as possible on the ground floor, from what i have seen, they mainly start to infest via groundfloor bathrooms where the door frames are more or less permanently damp, (i know its not always the case, as someone will put me right), and always have pre-construction termite work carried out, but if you have already have the building up, then i would suggest External Barrier system, this is where a 6" trench is dug around the outside of the property and a 1" water type pipe is drilled with multiple holes and connected so as to make a complete circuit, incorporated in this circuit is 4 to 6 stand pipes, also water pipe can be used, then every 3 months you can poor down the Shelldrite type solution to create a chemical barrier from sub-teranean termites, or if you don't want to do it yourself try and find a reputable contractor to do this. Sorry Mike my Co does'nt treat termites, as the local companys only charge about 3500/4000bt a year for 12 visits, for that they must be using water for both the chemical and to run they're vehicals, hopefully this has helped you somewhat brgs graham

[phibunmike]

Hi Krayner, i run a Pest Control Co in Thailand, ...

all the best Safetynet

SafetyNet> Sorry, this is off topic, but what about termites?

Thanks,

Mike

Hi Mike, termites are a real pain to control, my advice to any one starting a construction of a building would be to have the least ammount of Timber door frames as possible on the ground floor, from what i have seen, they mainly start to infest via groundfloor bathrooms where the door frames are more or less permanently damp, (i know its not always the case, as someone will put me right), and always have pre-construction termite work carried out, but if you have already have the building up, then i would suggest External Barrier system, this is where a 6" trench is dug around the outside of the property and a 1" water type pipe is drilled with multiple holes and connected so as to make a complete circuit, incorporated in this circuit is 4 to 6 stand pipes, also water pipe can be used, then every 3 months you can poor down the Shelldrite type solution to create a chemical barrier from sub-teranean termites, or if you don't want to do it yourself try and find a reputable contractor to do this. Sorry Mike my Co does'nt treat termites, as the local companys only charge about 3500/4000bt a year for 12 visits, for that they must be using water for both the chemical and to run they're vehicals, hopefully this has helped you somewhat brgs graham

Thanks very much Graham, very useful advice. I have already had the little buggers inside, which I think are now under control, but I do want to prevent new incursions.

Cheers,

Mike