22 minutes ago, Gandtee said:

But no doubt the cause is the same. Migrant workers crammed together in abominable conditions. Perfect conditions for the spread of the virus.

Yes the cause is the same but different circumstances. Singapore migrants homes/camps. Thailand illegal immigrant detention centre.

So? What have I missed here?

2 hours ago, GAZZPA said:

The masks don't protect you, has nothing to do with the spread. The issue with Thailand (and many other countries) is the woeful number of tests being carried out. Thailand has no idea how many of it's 68 million people have the virus, the official number of tested is just 142k. Also I understand there was a mass migration of workers back to their villages not too long ago, well someone must have taken it with them and how would the government know? This virus is horrible and highly infectious. We are all going to be in some form of lockdown until an effective vaccine is found. Good news for Thailand because the government gave a blueprint to the local scientists to produce one in 3 months......... 

the masks DO protect you. It is not 100% but it does help. I could say the sun doesn't shine but it doesn't make it true. The virus is not like an X-Ray a barrier can reduce your risk and that is a mask.

they can and should free up retail businesses. 

 

4 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

I expect the lockdown and alcohol ban to be extended until June 1st now

If it does many more people will die of starvation, or suicide than will ever die from the virus.  It has already been shown that sunlight and warm temperatures kill the virus.  Worst thing has been to confine people indoors where they are more likely to pick up the virus.  It is said that the population needs to eventually reach 50% of the people with anti bodies.  Estimates are that in the USA between 14% and 20% of people have antibodies even though most of them do not exhibit any symptoms.

I hate to be pessimistic guys but feel this is just all part of the smoke and mirrors? I feel that they're priming the gun with plausible excuses/reasons before unleashing the real situation?  Ask yourself as to why they have built all these field hospitals and specialist care units if everything is under control and in decline?

 

We know that they don't like to lose face and they know that news of a major outbreak will hurt the economy even further and therefore it is possible that they will try to hide all that they can?  By not increasing the testing rate in line with other countries using whatever reason, this will allow them to do this?  Similarly, if they can pass the true cause of death off as something else, it is possible that they will do this as well?  I'm not sure if there are up to date publicly available records for all daily deaths regardless of cause but it would be interested to see as to what the trend is with these with the reduction of road traffic etc?

 

I acknowledge that due to the conditions, the virus may not be affecting people as serious as it is in other countries further north in the hemisphere and therefore the morbidity rate will be lower.  However, I do feel that the virus itself is out there in far greater proportions than what they are publicly acknowledging?

 

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

No, they are illegal immigrant coming from 9 different countries (Burma, Yemen...) via Malaysia... 

All working in Thailand, caught in Thailand and at least one of them had the virus, more than likely contracted in Thailand.

Well 42 are migrants who were already in quarantine at the border. Not discounting them, but it sounds like the cluster they represent is being well contained. Apart from them, today's number is 11. Which is pretty darn good. 

40 minutes ago, pookiki said:

You quote one expert among how many? Who is Raoult, for what organization does he work and what are his credentials. If one were to 'poll' the doctors on the 'frontline' as you say, I doubt that this would be the majority view by any extent. I also believe that if a person had the time to review the stats presented in the interview, one would find them very suspect.  Buy hey, go out and get infected, I won't stop you.  Break the curfew in a demonstration of your beliefs.  Get thrown into jail where you will stand a good chance of being infected.  Then refuse treatment in the name of herd immunity. Where your orange sticker with pride wherever you go. Just make sure you don't infect others who are innocent bystanders.

I see that you have bought the whole package, hook, line and sinker. 

 

It is people like you who make the implementation of a totalitarian state so easy. 

 

If it comes from an official authority, it can't be wrong, so let's just close our eyes, shut down our brains, and follow the herd. 

 

And yet, it is these same authorities who have led the world in the mess where it stands today, not the virus, not you, or not me, but them, these all knowing minds... 

39 minutes ago, jimn said:

Yes the cause is the same but different circumstances. Singapore migrants homes/camps. Thailand illegal immigrant detention centre.

Immigration Detention Centre.

 

You go there even if you are a tourist caught on a day overstay with no valid permission to stay or visa. It's not only for migrant workers.

5 minutes ago, Yadon Toploy said:

All working in Thailand, caught in Thailand and at least one of them had the virus, more than likely contracted in Thailand.

So what? 

 

One of them got infected in Thailand... nobody said the risk of infection is zero, especially around the Malaysian border... 

9 minutes ago, dluek said:

Well 42 are migrants who were already in quarantine at the border. Not discounting them, but it sounds like the cluster they represent is being well contained. Apart from them, today's number is 11. Which is pretty darn good. 

This. The spin was quite effective. It's not 53 new cases, it's only 11.

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19 minutes ago, Trip Hop said:

However, I do feel that the virus itself is out there in far greater proportions than what they are publicly acknowledging?

 

Of course it is, and not only in Thailand. 

 

Merkel and others have repeatedly said that, ultimately, 70% of the population will be infected, never mind how we deal with the pandemic. 

 

The stay at home policies are supposed to "flatten the curve", not to reduce the total number of cases in the end. 

 

It's either a country takes its stinky "medicine" in one go, like Sweden, or incrementally, like so many countries. 

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1 minute ago, Brunolem said:

So what? 

 

One of them got infected in Thailand... nobody said the risk of infection is zero, especially around the Malaysian border... 

Its likely that all of them got infected in Thailand in the IDC. It is also likely one illegal migrant worker was locked up in there and infected the rest.

 

So this is a Thai problem, and not a foreign problem or Malaysian problem as some are trying to claim.

 

That's "what".

5 hours ago, pvdb said:

about time some people start opening their eyes rather than just accusing the "aliens"  SG here we come...

We also know what kind of population many of the people in south are...
(The "problem makers" in TH)

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So quarantine now means locked up in a filthy, squalid, crammed cell in the immigration with dozens of other foreign nationals.

 

I would love to see how they are currently being quarantined, where exactly and the conditions.

 

The PR company nobody admitted to hire to praise the government working overtime with the spin on this one.

 

 

56 minutes ago, pookiki said:

Buy hey, go out and get infected, I won't stop you.

The only issue is the medical system not to be overwhelmed, other than that there is no difference of you being infected today or in a month's time.

 

My advice to you is, get infected sooner rather than later. And build your immunity.

 

Or lock yourself too long in the house, lower your immunity, then come out in a month or two and see what happens then.

 

You make it sound like plague. It's a coronavirus, like influenza.

Please, can we be serious ??? there must be thousands of infected people out there, thousands !! The way the authorities underreport is a big mistake and doesnt help anyone. 

25 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

I see that you have bought the whole package, hook, line and sinker. 

 

It is people like you who make the implementation of a totalitarian state so easy. 

 

If it comes from an official authority, it can't be wrong, so let's just close our eyes, shut down our brains, and follow the herd. 

 

And yet, it is these same authorities who have led the world in the mess where it stands today, not the virus, not you, or not me, but them, these all knowing minds... 

Makes you wonder why so many people voted for them and even still, support them eh?

4 minutes ago, Dannybigboy said:

Please, can we be serious ??? there must be thousands of infected people out there, thousands !! The way the authorities underreport is a big mistake and doesnt help anyone. 

Thousands of healthy people who's immune systems are working or thousands who are hiding the fact they are sick? 

Under reporting or reporting the results of very dubious testing?

5 minutes ago, Dannybigboy said:

Please, can we be serious ??? there must be thousands of infected people out there, thousands !! The way the authorities underreport is a big mistake and doesnt help anyone. 

Of course, that is likely to be true.  As the vast majority of Covid cases are either asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms, there will be a huge number of unreported cases in every country that doesn't test everyone.  Like it or not, the virus is here to stay until an effective vaccine is available.  But life has to go on, or there will be even worse outcomes.

7 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Like it or not, the virus is here to stay until an effective vaccine is available.  But life has to go on, or there will be even worse outcomes.

Ah the cure all Vaccine, queue up for your shots of disinfectant people, funny how they can mandate vaccines and not mandate healthy food, life style?

The "worse outcomes" are here already, suicides, which the media don't cover are rising at a rapid rate, will only get worse!

The war on commerce is more important it seems!

Look on the positive side - zero people die of "natural causes" anymore ????

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23 minutes ago, Yadon Toploy said:

Its likely that all of them got infected in Thailand in the IDC. It is also likely one illegal migrant worker was locked up in there and infected the rest.

 

So this is a Thai problem, and not a foreign problem or Malaysian problem as some are trying to claim.

 

That's "what".

Yes, you are probably right, but it is a special case, like infections in prisons, or like what is going on in Singapore.

 

You can't draw conclusions from this specific case for the general population, living in normal conditions.

 

In Singapore, there is a distinction which is made, daily, between the new cases among the migrant workers locked in their high rises (99%), and the residents (1%).

 

28 minutes ago, Yadon Toploy said:

So quarantine now means locked up in a filthy, squalid, crammed cell in the immigration with dozens of other foreign nationals.

 

They were not quarantined, but locked in a detention center after having been caught for illegal entry.

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

You have to chose between two dangerous games, one with an uncertain ending, and one with a certain ending.

 

In the first game, you might end up losing maybe one or two percents of your population, mostly among the elderlies.

 

In the second game, you might keep more of your elderlies, but you lose your economy.

 

Now the choice is yours...

Or with more testing you might find we're dealing with something similar to a flu pandemic.What's happening up until now the outbreak is being dealt with according to info given by models (guesses)not data collected,once we get more data we will hopefully deal with it according to the data.

29 minutes ago, lkv said:

The only issue is the medical system not to be overwhelmed, other than that there is no difference of you being infected today or in a month's time.

 

My advice to you is, get infected sooner rather than later. And build your immunity.

 

Or lock yourself too long in the house, lower your immunity, then come out in a month or two and see what happens then.

 

You make it sound like plague. It's a coronavirus, like influenza.

Exactly!

 

Many still don't get it.

 

Lockdowns are not supposed to protect you from the virus, just to avoid too many getting sick at the same time.

 

Flat curve or steep curve, the end result will be the same...probably 70% infected...

An indefinite alcohol ban on the horizon?????

8 minutes ago, Parsve said:

Yes, I remember. And I also remeber where the people who did the main work and decisions came from, do you?

Well said. 

Just now, Burma Bill said:

An indefinite alcohol ban on the horizon?????

No I don't think so. 

1 hour ago, GAZZPA said:

Please don't read this and think you have a cure or effective vaccine. There is a factual link between a healthy, balanced diet and a healthy immune system. That is as far as this goes. Someone who is healthy, exercises regularly, has a good diet is going to respond to a sickness better then, well the reverse. However it is not a vaccine or even medication. There is no effective treatment or vaccine yet, that is why so many are losing their lives. If it was as simple as chomping down on some vitamins I think we would not be trashing the global economy right now...

It is why I still either run on my treadmill, or with the rain today ran 6 km outside, very few folks or traffic here in Sathon, Bangkok.  Working on staying healthy, and as you say keeping your immune system healthy and in balance is a big help in fighting off what comes at you.  As a diabetic, I am one of those who is considered High risk, but instead of doing nothing and becoming a victim of Covid, or any other issues, I prefer to eat healthy, keep my blood sugars in check, and of course Yes drink a glass or two of red wine for my heart. Luckily I was also able to get off the blood pressure medication which is now one of the possible co-morbidities as well.  

 

This virus, affects people of all ages and all races, it knows no boundaries, and unfortunately what works for one person may not work for another.  As someone who was associated with the medical field for over 35 years, I saw many people survive the initial incident/accident which landed them in the Hospital.  Even though they survived from the major trauma, sometimes it was a smaller secondary issue which took their lives.  I believe the same is True with Covid.