MIT Study: NYC Keeping Subway Open Faciliated Mass Spread of Virus

[Crazy Alex]

This really shouldn't be a surprise at all: mass transportation is a fantastic way to help spread a disease. It's hard to believe the people in charge didn't close the subway down early on. No doubt thousands of people died as a result. Sad. But totally predictable.

 

"The paper, by MIT economics professor and physician Jeffrey Harris, points to a parallel between high ridership “and the rapid, exponential surge in infections” in the first two weeks of March — when the subways were still packed with up to 5 million riders per day — as well as between turnstile entries and virus hotspots."

 

https://www.regenhealthsolutions.info/2020/04/17/the-subways-seeded-the-massive-coronavirus-epidemic-in-new-york-city-following-a-mit-study/

 

Hopefully, government hacks will at least learn from this huge and obvious mistake.

 

 

[geriatrickid]

This  characteristic was already identified months ago. It is nothing new.

And yes, we all know that  the factors identified are valid. Unfortunately in a a large city like NYC which draws millions of people from the  suburbs, mass transit is an essential part of existence. The medical workers, EMS, police, fire personnel take public transit. The government officials, the essential workers take public transit.  The minimum wage workers who  staff the grocery stores, who  staff the long term care residence need mass transit to get to their jobs. Has mass transit been stopped, the city would have collapsed. 

 

More importantly, people would not have accepted a shut down of mass transit. They would have been screaming it was over kill; an over reaction. Public health officials would have  put NYC into a lock down weeks before they did if they could have done so, but the general public would not have accepted those measures. NY public health was aware of the  thousands of travelers coming into the tristate area because of JFK, EWR and LGA but were powerless to stop the flow of the infected as the airports and immigration are a federal mandate. There would have been no public support for the measures.

 

Sad to say, but the general public needed to see thousands of dead, sick and dying people before they would accept the drastic measures imposed. One need only look at some states with their armed thugs protesting much milder measures to understand that  NY state officials were in a dire predicament.

 

 

[Crazy Alex]

8 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

This  characteristic was already identified months ago. It is nothing new.

And yes, we all know that  the factors identified are valid. Unfortunately in a a large city like NYC which draws millions of people from the  suburbs, mass transit is an essential part of existence. The medical workers, EMS, police, fire personnel take public transit. The government officials, the essential workers take public transit.  The minimum wage workers who  staff the grocery stores, who  staff the long term care residence need mass transit to get to their jobs. Has mass transit been stopped, the city would have collapsed. 

 

More importantly, people would not have accepted a shut down of mass transit. They would have been screaming it was over kill; an over reaction. Public health officials would have  put NYC into a lock down weeks before they did if they could have done so, but the general public would not have accepted those measures. NY public health was aware of the  thousands of travelers coming into the tristate area because of JFK, EWR and LGA but were powerless to stop the flow of the infected as the airports and immigration are a federal mandate. There would have been no public support for the measures.

 

Sad to say, but the general public needed to see thousands of dead, sick and dying people before they would accept the drastic measures imposed. One need only look at some states with their armed thugs protesting much milder measures to understand that  NY state officials were in a dire predicament.

 

 

I don't believe NYC would have put people on lockdown weeks earlier if they could, given Bill De Blasio told everyone to go out and party on March 13.

 

Now let's address your "thug" allegation. Law-abiding citizens exercising their Constitutional rights are not thugs.

 

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Edited May 16, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[ThreeEyedRaven]

25 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

 

Now let's address your "thug" allegation. Law-abiding citizens exercising their Constitutional rights are not thugs.

When some of them are armed to the <deleted> teeth, as has been widely shown, I believe the "thug" allegation has pretty good legitimacy.

Much depends on the tint in your glasses I guess.

 

[Crazy Alex]

4 hours ago, ThreeEyedRaven said:

When some of them are armed to the <deleted> teeth, as has been widely shown, I believe the "thug" allegation has pretty good legitimacy.

Much depends on the tint in your glasses I guess.

 

No. Words mean things. "Thug" is not a legitimate description for a person legally carrying a firearm in an open carry state. Now, what do protesters in Michigan have to do with the NYC subway system spreading the virus anyway?

[geriatrickid]

On 5/16/2020 at 10:43 AM, Crazy Alex said:

I don't believe NYC would have put people on lockdown weeks earlier if they could, given Bill De Blasio told everyone to go out and party on March 13.

 

Now let's address your "thug" allegation. Law-abiding citizens exercising their Constitutional rights are not thugs.

 

thug

/THəɡ/

Learn to pronounce

noun

noun: thug; plural noun: thugs; noun: Thug

1. 1.

   a violent person, especially a criminal.

    

    

    

Do you really believe that if you post factually incorrect information that no one will notice? The intent of playing with the dates is to put this in as a negative light as possible because you have no case.

 

Fact: The tweet from Di Blasio was on March 2. The position he took and that of his city health commissioner reflected the US federal government recommendations. The guidance from the  CDC and the Trump administration was that there was no need to worry, that all was under control.  The city was not aware of the extent of the infection because no one had  been screening  travelers at the  2 principal gateways into the USA (JFK & EWR)  from the source of the US infections, Europe.  

 

Fact: It was assumed that the principal source of US infections was China and that the west coast was more at risk. On the contrary, it was travelers from Europe and destinations where they had been exposed to infected Europeans that was the principal source of the US infection. This is why the dominant virus strain in the USA is  the "Italian" mutation.

 

Fact;  Mayor di Blasio does not have the legal authority to order  quarantines. It is an authority vested in the state. he does not have the authority to issue a "shelter in place' order.

 

Fact: The reason why  NY state waited until late  march to introduce its PAUSE order was because of 3 important factors;

- The information and assurances given by the federal authorities were that  there was nothing to worry about. All was udner control.

- The public  was unwilling to accept  a curtailment of activity.

- Public  transit was needed to keep essential workers  on the move.

 

What is most  disgusting about your  post is that it drips with insincerity and is  deceitful.

You claim that the state could have acted sooner, yet you were complaining about the order.  You can't have it both ways.  There was resistance to the state order to  shut down non essential services on march 20. Organizations like National Rifle Association threatened action. On April 3, the NRA  brought suit against the state for the  shut down.

Much of mid to upstate New York was untouched by Covid 19 even in to April and support for a shutdown was not unanimous, The public willingness to accept a shutdown changed once people started dying in the thousands in April.

 

In respect to the thugs brandishing their weapons, they most certainly do meet the definition of thugs. A firearm is a dangerous  tool and should be handled with respect. It is irresponsible to carry automatic heavy weapons who's sole intent is to kill, to a political event, where the possibility of misuse is elevated. The purpose of carrying the weapon is to  intimidate and to threaten. Responsible gun owners do not do this. There was no legitimate reason to be  heavily armed at the political events as was the case in Michigan which also featured threats against the governor and effigies of her being lynched.

 

Edited May 17, 2020 by geriatrickid

[Rancid]

Corona has morphed into a political issue, progressives are pro any progressive government action and non progressive the inverse, for the most part the media supports progressives.

I miss the good old days when the Left actually had policies for helping the poor and working people, were anti-war, they actually stood for something. The current iteration is vacuous and probably was nurtured to be so to kill off the old Left opposition once and for all.

[Crazy Alex]

19 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Do you really believe that if you post factually incorrect information that no one will notice? The intent of playing with the dates is to put this in as a negative light as possible because you have no case.

 

Fact: The tweet from Di Blasio was on March 2. The position he took and that of his city health commissioner reflected the US federal government recommendations. The guidance from the  CDC and the Trump administration was that there was no need to worry, that all was under control.  The city was not aware of the extent of the infection because no one had  been screening  travelers at the  2 principal gateways into the USA (JFK & EWR)  from the source of the US infections, Europe.  

 

Fact: It was assumed that the principal source of US infections was China and that the west coast was more at risk. On the contrary, it was travelers from Europe and destinations where they had been exposed to infected Europeans that was the principal source of the US infection. This is why the dominant virus strain in the USA is  the "Italian" mutation.

 

Fact;  Mayor di Blasio does not have the legal authority to order  quarantines. It is an authority vested in the state. he does not have the authority to issue a "shelter in place' order.

 

Fact: The reason why  NY state waited until late  march to introduce its PAUSE order was because of 3 important factors;

- The information and assurances given by the federal authorities were that  there was nothing to worry about. All was udner control.

- The public  was unwilling to accept  a curtailment of activity.

- Public  transit was needed to keep essential workers  on the move.

 

What is most  disgusting about your  post is that it drips with insincerity and is  deceitful.

You claim that the state could have acted sooner, yet you were complaining about the order.  You can't have it both ways.  There was resistance to the state order to  shut down non essential services on march 20. Organizations like National Rifle Association threatened action. On April 3, the NRA  brought suit against the state for the  shut down.

Much of mid to upstate New York was untouched by Covid 19 even in to April and support for a shutdown was not unanimous, The public willingness to accept a shutdown changed once people started dying in the thousands in April.

 

In respect to the thugs brandishing their weapons, they most certainly do meet the definition of thugs. A firearm is a dangerous  tool and should be handled with respect. It is irresponsible to carry automatic heavy weapons who's sole intent is to kill, to a political event, where the possibility of misuse is elevated. The purpose of carrying the weapon is to  intimidate and to threaten. Responsible gun owners do not do this. There was no legitimate reason to be  heavily armed at the political events as was the case in Michigan which also featured threats against the governor and effigies of her being lynched.

 

No, you're wrong. It was March 13 when De Blasio told people to go to the bars. Furthermore, the topic is the subway being a conduit for spreading the virus. As mayor, De Blasio chose to ignore this. His city. His subway system. End of story.

Edited May 18, 2020 by Crazy Alex