Pelosi quips that Trump has 'doggy doo on his shoes' in ongoing spat

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

Spin. Pelosi wanted independent oversight of the package spend which was approved. Once passed trump did a U-turn by appointing a sycophant, again demonstrating the corrupt nature of his administration.

 

At least you keep the record spinning.

[tropo]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

It's easy to play with statistics e.g. US population density is 94 people per square mile, Italy is 532 per square mile therefore one can assume Italy has a higher per capita death rate from Covid. Additional testing numbers are meaningless as a standalone figure, only when testing rates per million is it useful, plus of course follow up by way of tracking for which the US is currently way behind the eight ball. It is beyond doubt trump's delays is coming to terms to implement necessary policies to combat the spread of Covid and resultant deaths and so on is his ownership. trump's denials do not stand up to scrutiny as has been proven by published time lines and his responses to Covid.

 

I can't wait to see how many confused and sad reactions this post gets.

 I'm giving the numbers straight (mortality/population). You're playing with them to spin the narrative that the US is worse due to blah, blah, blah... and follow it up with nonsense that the Dems have been spinning for months.

 

Try your population density trick for Australia. They have hardly people living in most of the country, Yet the cities are as dense as most cities in the US. 

 

Here's some useful number playing... New York State reported 24% of the US's covid-19 mortalities, with only 5.8% of the population, making the morality rate of the whole US outside of New York State much lower still, from 0.029% down to 0.023%.

 

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by tropo

[ChakaKhan]

4 hours ago, tropo said:

You're doing exactly what the Dems are doing. Using the Covid-19 pandemic for political advantage. Take a look around. The virus is killing lots of people in other developed nations.

 

Taking the most up to date population stats and covid-19 deaths in these countries, let's see where the US stands. 

 

Reported Covid-19 mortality per capita:

 

USA:        0.029%

Italy:        0.054%

France:    0.043%

UK:         0.053%

Netherlands: 0.034%

Spain: 0.060%

Sweden: 0.038%

 

The US has done a lot better than many other developed nations and they are doing more testing than anywhere else too, so the percentage mortality is going to drop.

 

It is impossible for a sitting US President to tackle this problem in any organized way because in the US it's the Governors of each state that make the final decisions on how they handle the covid-19 outbreak. It's a giant mess with 50 states all trying to do their own thing. Obviously the founding fathers didn't account for a worldwide pandemic. A system of governance that works well in normal times is now breaking down.

 

It's not Trump's fault, and shame on anyone using this to political advantage. Dems are running out of options, so they play as dirty as possible. What they should do is find a good candidate with a functional brain. That would be a good start - and get rid of Pelosi before she does anymore harm.

 

(I can't wait to see how many confused and sad reactions this post gets)

 

 

 

And WHO is using American LIVES to  revive his economy strictly for re-election purposes??

 

Hint -Refuses to wear a mask just out of spite..... The Irony of your post is off the charts...Sad!

[Cryingdick]

5 minutes ago, ChakaKhan said:

And WHO is using American LIVES to  revive his economy strictly for re-election purposes??

 

Hint -Refuses to wear a mask just out of spite..... The Irony of your post is off the charts...Sad!

 

I don't wear a mask around here nobody does. It's not a nursing home in NYC with fresh COVID patients.

[tropo]

19 minutes ago, ChakaKhan said:

And WHO is using American LIVES to  revive his economy strictly for re-election purposes??

 

Hint -Refuses to wear a mask just out of spite..... The Irony of your post is off the charts...Sad!

I didn't mention the WHO. What do they have to do with my post?

 

This is ridiculous. He's tested daily along with all his staff, and they all wear masks. What's your problem with that Mr Sad?

[Sujo]

4 hours ago, tropo said:

You're doing exactly what the Dems are doing. Using the Covid-19 pandemic for political advantage. Take a look around. The virus is killing lots of people in other developed nations.

 

Taking the most up to date population stats and covid-19 deaths in these countries, let's see where the US stands. 

 

Reported Covid-19 mortality per capita:

 

USA:        0.029%

Italy:        0.054%

France:    0.043%

UK:         0.053%

Netherlands: 0.034%

Spain: 0.060%

Sweden: 0.038%

 

The US has done a lot better than many other developed nations and they are doing more testing than anywhere else too, so the percentage mortality is going to drop.

 

It is impossible for a sitting US President to tackle this problem in any organized way because in the US it's the Governors of each state that make the final decisions on how they handle the covid-19 outbreak. It's a giant mess with 50 states all trying to do their own thing. Obviously the founding fathers didn't account for a worldwide pandemic. A system of governance that works well in normal times is now breaking down.

 

It's not Trump's fault, and shame on anyone using this to political advantage. Dems are running out of options, so they play as dirty as possible. What they should do is find a good candidate with a functional brain. That would be a good start - and get rid of Pelosi before she does anymore harm.

 

(I can't wait to see how many confused and sad reactions this post gets)

 

 

 

Didnt stop trump from blaming obama for the ebola response. 

[Sujo]

9 minutes ago, tropo said:

I didn't mention the WHO. What do they have to do with my post?

 

This is ridiculous. He's tested daily along with all his staff, and they all wear masks. What's your problem with that Mr Sad?

The problem is that his own expert adviser says to wear it. But trump wont wear it because he doesnt want to be seen wearing it.

 

Not because he thinks it doesnt work. Because he doesnt care if those around him get it. But because of his vanity.

[Sujo]

26 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

I don't wear a mask around here nobody does. It's not a nursing home in NYC with fresh COVID patients.

How do you know

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

 

At least you keep the record spinning.

As you didnt respond to anything he stated its nice of you to agree with him

[Sujo]

36 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

I don't wear a mask around here nobody does. It's not a nursing home in NYC with fresh COVID patients.

Is it illegal not to wear one where you are?

 

Its illegal n michigan where trump refused to wear it. Trump doesnt follow the law, as usual.

 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/coronavirus-donald-trump-labelled-a-petulant-child-for-not-wearing-a-mask-in-michigan/news-story/0b9c987be81acb5d17b37db32825512c

[Estrada]

15 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Only thing she's striking is her job approval numbers, which are looking abysmal (like her face)

Who cares, President Trump is creating chaos and has a disapproval rating of 55%

[tropo]

30 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Didnt stop trump from blaming obama for the ebola response. 

Let's put some other numbers out that the Democrats will not want to see.

 

Top states by covid-19 mortality;

 

source: https://ncov2019.live/data?fbclid=IwAR3I1npxj7wavdT6EzOEKTg1hC6t5onF3q-tE1GrFjKEalryCEn0OIyB4XQ

 

1. New York:  22,843 deaths - Democrat

2. New Jersey: 10,852 deaths - Democrat

3. Massachusetts: 6,148 deaths - Republican

4. Michigan: 5,129 deaths - Democrat

5. Pennsylvania: 4,920 deaths - Democrat

6. Illinois: 4,920 deaths - Democrat

7. California: 3,619 deaths - Democrat

8. Connecticut: 3,583 deaths - Democrat

9. Louisiana: 2,629 deaths - Democrat

10. Maryland: 2,159 deaths - Republican

 

In the top 10 states, Democratic governors presided over 61% of the nations covid-19 deaths, for a total of 58,182 (top 10 only).

 

Is there a conspiracy among Democratic governors to ensure higher death rates through gross incompetence, to make the president look bad? Wouldn't surprise me if you observe how the Democrats are currently behaving.  

Edited May 22, 2020 by tropo

[GalaxyMan]

According to a study by researchers at Columbia University, an analysis estimated that 54,000 fewer people would have died by the beginning of May had social distancing restrictions been imposed on March 1 — two weeks before most Americans stopped leaving their homes. The delays resulted in 83% more deaths. The study also found that about 36,000 deaths could have been prevented if the restrictions were put in place only one week earlier.

 

This is all on Trump, who was making a political decision, not one based upon what is best for the health of the United States and its residents. Now he can add callous killer to his disreputable resume. ????

[simple1]

1 hour ago, tropo said:

 I'm giving the numbers straight (mortality/population). You're playing with them to spin the narrative that the US is worse due to blah, blah, blah... and follow it up with nonsense that the Dems have been spinning for months.

 

Try your population density trick for Australia. They have hardly people living in most of the country, Yet the cities are as dense as most cities in the US. 

 

Here's some useful number playing... New York State reported 24% of the US's covid-19 mortalities, with only 5.8% of the population, making the morality rate of the whole US outside of New York State much lower still, from 0.029% down to 0.023%.

 

 

As I said playing with stats. The pragmatic measurement is the death ration of those infected by Covid, not population numbers, The other measurement of meaning is test, trace, isolate which I understand currently USA has not achieved sufficient numbers for Covid mitigation purposes, ergo deaths will continue at a fairly rapid pace, soon to be exceeding 100,000. Sadly the current number of Covid deaths in the US is 95,000. Thanks for the interest, though off topic, Australia has currently 'only' reached 101 Covid deaths with mitigation efforts achieving good results. Australian government has documented and published a three stage normalisation process which currently is on track.

 

Personally I would say trump has by far exceeded the Dems with misinformation / conspiracy nonsense regards Covid. Come to think of it what misinformation / conspiracy stuff have the Dems put in the public domain re Covid?

Edited May 22, 2020 by simple1

[TopDeadSenter]

34 minutes ago, Sujo said:

The problem is that his own expert adviser says to wear it. But trump wont wear it because he doesnt want to be seen wearing it.

 

Not because he thinks it doesnt work. Because he doesnt care if those around him get it. But because of his vanity.

Wild speculation presented as fact, followed up by...

 

34 minutes ago, Sujo said:

How do you know

Ironic much?...

[Crazy Alex]

58 minutes ago, Estrada said:

Who cares, President Trump is creating chaos and has a disapproval rating of 55%

Rest assured Democrats care quite a bit. And they should, given their nominee.

[earlinclaifornia]

16 hours ago, rabas said:

Based on a model? One predicting Trump with 55% of vote just weeks ago?

 

But maybe your right Earl, yahoo folks did predict Clinton's win. 

If you were to read it you would have learned that prior to COVID 19, the model had a trump election win by 55%. Damn that COVID trump say's.

[earlinclaifornia]

3 hours ago, tropo said:

 I'm giving the numbers straight (mortality/population). You're playing with them to spin the narrative that the US is worse due to blah, blah, blah... and follow it up with nonsense that the Dems have been spinning for months.

 

Try your population density trick for Australia. They have hardly people living in most of the country, Yet the cities are as dense as most cities in the US. 

 

Here's some useful number playing... New York State reported 24% of the US's covid-19 mortalities, with only 5.8% of the population, making the morality rate of the whole US outside of New York State much lower still, from 0.029% down to 0.023%.

 

 

Oh gee I thought you might have known that NYC is probably the worlds most traveled of all cities. duh

[earlinclaifornia]

Doo Doo revealed!  The French Connection: Trump Family Trusts Are Invested in Hydroxychloroquine Maker 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-french-connection-trump-family-trusts-are-invested-in-hydroxychloroquine-maker/ar-BB12he2q?ocid=sf2

[rabas]

2 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

18 hours ago, rabas said:

Based on a model? One predicting Trump with 55% of vote just weeks ago?

But maybe your right Earl, yahoo folks did predict Clinton's win. 

If you were to read it you would have learned that prior to COVID 19, the model had a trump election win by 55%. Damn that COVID trump say's

?   I did read it, that's how I knew it was a model and predicted Trump at 55% before covid. (see my post above )

 

I also saw it linked to CNN happy talk, no reference to the real model.

 

But the model is obviously wrong! It's based on prior voter dissatisfaction with depressions. There has never been an economic situation even vaguely similar to an external pandemic during a great economic expansion created by the sitting president. Not even close. 

 

So you can probably toss that model. I have.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

On 5/21/2020 at 3:46 AM, TopDeadSenter said:

555 hilarious, Trump is certainly a character! Much imitated, never equaled. Pelosi lacks comedic timing and wit, her attempts at jokes will always fall flat on their faces. Her skit in front of her double wide fridge filled with gallons of luxury ice cream was about as funny as she's ever going to get - for the wrong reason mind.

The take away from all of that is you condone that type of behavior from the President Of The United States....it speaks volumes where America is as a country...

[nattaya09]

6 hours ago, tropo said:

Let's put some other numbers out that the Democrats will not want to see.

 

Top states by covid-19 mortality;

 

source: https://ncov2019.live/data?fbclid=IwAR3I1npxj7wavdT6EzOEKTg1hC6t5onF3q-tE1GrFjKEalryCEn0OIyB4XQ

 

1. New York:  22,843 deaths - Democrat

2. New Jersey: 10,852 deaths - Democrat

3. Massachusetts: 6,148 deaths - Republican

4. Michigan: 5,129 deaths - Democrat

5. Pennsylvania: 4,920 deaths - Democrat

6. Illinois: 4,920 deaths - Democrat

7. California: 3,619 deaths - Democrat

8. Connecticut: 3,583 deaths - Democrat

9. Louisiana: 2,629 deaths - Democrat

10. Maryland: 2,159 deaths - Republican

 

In the top 10 states, Democratic governors presided over 61% of the nations covid-19 deaths, for a total of 58,182 (top 10 only).

 

Is there a conspiracy among Democratic governors to ensure higher death rates through gross incompetence, to make the president look bad? Wouldn't surprise me if you observe how the Democrats are currently behaving.  

Mass & Maryland are Republican Lite.  90% Democrat but they put one functioning adult in charge of the circus

[Crazy Alex]

8 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

You didn't read it and I figure you wouldn't. Models and  polls are actually different. They actually have only been wrong with the model outcome twice. Just trying to help you out as always.

Ahhh.... mornings in Pattaya. OK, enough nostalgia. Polls show Trump leading Biden in 15 battleground states.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign-polls/497677-trump-leads-biden-in-15-battleground-states-while-bidens-lead-shrinks

 

And yes, contrary to what you keep saying, it's a binary choice.

[Crazy Alex]

5 hours ago, rabas said:

?   I did read it, that's how I knew it was a model and predicted Trump at 55% before covid. (see my post above )

 

I also saw it linked to CNN happy talk, no reference to the real model.

 

But the model is obviously wrong! It's based on prior voter dissatisfaction with depressions. There has never been an economic situation even vaguely similar to an external pandemic during a great economic expansion created by the sitting president. Not even close. 

 

So you can probably toss that model. I have.

Heck I'm having trouble finding any model from the *experts* that's been right lately!

[Cryingdick]

Heard a funny line that in Nancy's district it would be human excrement that was being stepped in on people's shoes. California formerly the world's 6th largest economy.

[tropo]

15 hours ago, simple1 said:

As I said playing with stats. The pragmatic measurement is the death ration of those infected by Covid, not population numbers, The other measurement of meaning is test, trace, isolate which I understand currently USA has not achieved sufficient numbers for Covid mitigation purposes, ergo deaths will continue at a fairly rapid pace, soon to be exceeding 100,000. Sadly the current number of Covid deaths in the US is 95,000. Thanks for the interest, though off topic, Australia has currently 'only' reached 101 Covid deaths with mitigation efforts achieving good results. Australian government has documented and published a three stage normalisation process which currently is on track.

 

Personally I would say trump has by far exceeded the Dems with misinformation / conspiracy nonsense regards Covid. Come to think of it what misinformation / conspiracy stuff have the Dems put in the public domain re Covid?

I did not play with the statistics at all. I took the mortality on a per capita basis and applied equally to all countries.

 

I am Australian, so it is of interest to me too. I put it forward as an example of how using population density of the whole nation is meaningless. An extremely high number (around 99% without looking it up) live in cities. The rest of the country is empty. If you made a comparison of which country has the highest population density, considering only where they live, Australia would be ahead of the US that has a much higher rural population.

 

You can play with stats, of course (I gave an example above - New York State where 24% of all deaths occured), but the raw number of deaths is about as good a yardstick as we have. Yes, it can be debated due to questions over cause of death, but to spin the USA numbers in an effort to make them appear worse than most other developed countries, and then use those figures you've spun to diminish Trump is exactly what the Dems are trying to do.

 

Trump was busy restricting air travel while Democrats partied in China Town, SF... and then had the audacity to come back with statements that Trump was slow to react. Even Dr Fauci, way after restrictions were first introduced, was telling the nation that all is well - don't worry - Americans are not in danger. World experts, his personal advisors, didn't realise the gravity of the situation, but you expected the President to know what the experts didn't know. You didn't see Birx or Fauci wearing face masks until quite recently.

 

Seriously, the Dems should quit all the bs and try to find a sane, intelligent candidate to challenge him, because the way it looks to me, the Dems have many years of whining left to endure as Trump holds the White House for another 4 years, and retakes the House or Representatives too.

 

I would strongly suggest the Democrats stock up on tissues as they will be in high demand after November. You never know, some of the (privileged) citizens who promised they would leave the US if Trump won in 2016 will finally hold good on their promises and leave.

Edited May 22, 2020 by tropo

[tropo]

20 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Many of us are thankful for the stimulus checks she provided. Even if you were left out.

She provided them? Please explain.

[tropo]

13 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Oh gee I thought you might have known that NYC is probably the worlds most traveled of all cities. duh

Oh gee, that's the excuse Cuomo keeps using to explain his disastrous response... in daily briefings.

 

NYC is number 8 on the list of most visited cities. London, Paris, Bangkok and Singapore are higher.

 

The point was, that if you take out one state from the calculations, the state with the most confirmed infections and deaths, the US is doing much better still. 8 of the top 10 states with the most deaths are governed by Democrats. About 61% of all covid-19 deaths so far. Your own governor in California is one of them. Number 7 on the list.

 

But let's not play with numbers. Only 0.029% mortality in the entire USA is not bad considering the Democrats are fighting politics while the president tackles the virus. Democratic governors all over the country have by far the most blood on their hands.

Edited May 22, 2020 by tropo

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and replies have been removed. 

[simple1]

3 hours ago, tropo said:

his personal advisors, didn't realise the gravity of the situation,

The above has been strongly refuted, example below- trump received a number of warnings concerning Covid spread to the US, which he ignored / downplayed for a number of weeks. There is a published timeline (link provided in another topic) of the 15 times trump praising China's Covid response over Jan / Feb period even after the warning. As usual trump denies any responsibility whatsoever and blames WHO for his personal errors of judgement.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/navarro-warning-trump-coronavirus.html

 

Trump restricted some air travel from China, but at the time the 40,000 permitted to enter were not tested for Covid infection. Dems visiting Chinatowns has been put in context a number of times which refutes trump's propaganda. 

Edited May 22, 2020 by simple1