Covid-19 Deaths

[yuyiinthesky]

32 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

You might need to  fact check your stats of the elderly (65+ ) in Thailand !https://www.statista.com/statistics/713667/thailand-forecast-aging-population/

 

Thanks, so it is not 9.x anymore, but in this stat 10.x. Huge difference.
 

Or look at this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_age_structure

Cambodia 4.4 %

Thailand 11.4 %

Italy 23 %

...

 

I think it confirms Pretty much what I said.

 

[cmarshall]

6 minutes ago, yuyiinthesky said:

You might have heard about Angkor Wat and the Chinese tourist streams going there, or Sihanoukville, which became a Chinese casino town. Tens of thousands of Chinese did pass through there, all the time. You think by some wonderful miracle none of them were infected, unlike the Chinese travelers going elsewhere?

As I say, I haven't read anything about the Cambodian response to the pandemic, so I don't know how they responded or what the result was.  The Johns Hopkins dashboard reports no information available on Covid deaths in Cambodia.  The Statista database on death per million has no information on Cambodia.  So, I have no idea what went on there.  I certainly wouldn't base my understanding of what the best responses to the pandemic have on a case about which there is so little information.

[Bender Rodriguez]

On 6/24/2020 at 9:25 PM, chessman said:

For an infectious disease that had and still has the potential to kill 100,000s of people here. You may not agree with how the Thai government handled it but you should at least be able to understand why they took the action they did.

no it ain't or it would have in 5 months

 

plandemic panic to keep more control over people

 

banana republic wet dream come true

[JusticeGB]

Daft motorbike drivers wearing masks and not helmets. Can't catch covid19 on a motorbike but certainly quite likely to have a nasty accident!

[saminoz]

On 6/24/2020 at 10:55 PM, steven100 said:

give it a rest will ya  .....  

Why?  Just because you dote on the idiot-in-charge here?

Do you think that the road death figures are acceptable?

Do you share the silly little genereal's disdain for the average Thais?

Try a little critical thinking, after you take your head out of Prayut's <deleted> and take off your perrennially rose-tinted specs!

[steven100]

2 minutes ago, saminoz said:

Why?  Just because you dote on the idiot-in-charge here?

Do you think that the road death figures are acceptable?

Do you share the silly little genereal's disdain for the average Thais?

Try a little critical thinking, after you take your head out of Prayut's <deleted> and take off your perrennially rose-tinted specs!

the thai bashing gets a bit boring after time, don't you have better things to do like hit the p_iss or something. lol

[saminoz]

3 minutes ago, steven100 said:

the thai bashing gets a bit boring after time, don't you have better things to do like hit the p_iss or something. lol

Well now, apart from the fact that I did not post the article and was only referring to the road deaths, I am not sure what you mean!  Nor have I h ad adrink for quite some time! 

I don't think that an accurate observation on the universally acknowledged issue of Thailand's <deleted> poor safety record and the PM's unwillingness to address is is really Thai bashing, is it?  If it is, then colour me sensible!

You are a little too sensitive.  I guess that's what paid shills are meant to do.

Shills gotta shill I guess.

Interesting that you didn't deny the whole @rse residency part though!

 

[ExpatOne]

We don’t have all of the cases BECAUSE they locked it down. If they banned cars, then suddenly we wouldn’t have those either. You could then say, “we don’t have any car accidents, why did they ban cars?”

[johnnysunshine]

Ban vehicles...such an easy solution to make COVID-19 numbers look even better.

[Surasak]

On 6/25/2020 at 2:32 AM, yuyiinthesky said:

Also unlike Italy, Sweden, UK, USA there are not many old and obese people in Thailand. Keep in mind that the very big majority of deaths are in the age group of 65 and older.  If I remember correctly in Italy 20% are 65 and older, in Thailand < 10%, and in Cambodia with zero deaths less than 5% are 65 and older. So much less easy victims to harvest for the virus.
 

That is another reason why claiming that It would be like Italy if there would have been no lockdown is nothing but scaremongering.

 

Now how many of the ones posting here are 65 and older? What, so many? Aaaah, that explains why many are so scared.

Just a thought on your last sentence. I'm almost 80 and in reasonable shape but, read below. This is how I look at life

Life  should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention  of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved  body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one  hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up,  totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO, what a  ride!!"   
 

[digger70]

On 6/24/2020 at 5:51 PM, Mavideol said:

and  ????????

Don't be Smart.

No lockdown No stopping /Clamping  vehicles from moving  No testing people if they Can obey Road rules/can drive/ride /have License/Rego/Insurance/Roadworthy vehicle/Wearing Seatbelts/helmet. 

 

[marvin1950]

3,400 people out of a population of 66 million people in Thailand tested positive for Covid-19 virus.  58 people died.

96 % recovery rate

Curfew for what?

No alcohol for what?

Businesses close

People no jobs

No money to feed family

Increase in crime

Increase in suicides

Increase in domestic violence.

 

All for 3,400 cases of Covid-19

 

I think overkill.

 

Yes I agree with banning incoming international flight.

 

How many cases were imported transmissions?

That reduces the number from the 3,400 cases for local transmission.

No clusters.

No community spread.

End of story.

 

[Thomas J]

On 6/24/2020 at 10:16 PM, cmarshall said:

Quite a stupid post.  If Thailand had not reacted promptly and followed best practices to contain the virus, Thailand would have been Italy. 

cmarshall

 

Do you have a Crystal Ball? 

Vietnam has a population of 90 million people.  No Covid deaths.   Is that because of their "fast action"  or because Covid does not do well in hot climates and mostly impacts older people.  There is a vaccine for the flu yet between 5% and 20% of the worlds population catches it each and every year.   Sweden did nothing and its death rate per million is lower than Belgium, Italy,  Spain and the U.K. all of whom had complete lock downs.  Look at the countries that are similar to Thailand and their death rate.  You mean Zambia was at the forefront of social distancing.  The countries are by and large warm weather with younger populations.  One way or another you have a country doing handstands and killing its economy over 56 total deaths when that is the average death count PER DAY on Thailand streets. 

Edited June 26, 2020 by Thomas J

[NoshowJones]

On 6/24/2020 at 9:25 PM, chessman said:

For an infectious disease that had and still has the potential to kill 100,000s of people here. You may not agree with how the Thai government handled it but you should at least be able to understand why they took the action they did.

Then why can't they take any action to prevent all these read deaths? Answer please.

[NoshowJones]

2 hours ago, ExpatOne said:

We don’t have all of the cases BECAUSE they locked it down. If they banned cars, then suddenly we wouldn’t have those either. You could then say, “we don’t have any car accidents, why did they ban cars?”

The Thai authorities just do not have the brains to organise their police force to enforce the law and set out penalties for wrong doers on the roads.

It is not like sitting around a table and laying out 22 stupid rules of what to do or not to do in a bar.

[Sundown]

On 6/24/2020 at 10:16 PM, cmarshall said:

Quite a stupid post.  If Thailand had not reacted promptly and followed best practices to contain the virus, Thailand would have been Italy.  

Stupid not as your post. Most of deaths in Italy were 80+ years old in nursery homes in the northern regions. Most regions in Italy have had lower death rates than other years. In Thailand old people dies at home. Thailand reacted promptly? Infected people from Wuhan was in Thailand free to roam in January. How naive you are? Or you were sarcastic I hope!

Edited June 26, 2020 by Sundown

[Pique Dard]

On 6/24/2020 at 12:51 PM, Mavideol said:

and  ????????

isn't obvious???????

ie the government should take concrete measures ALSO to prevent road accidents!!!

Edited June 26, 2020 by Pique Dard

[runamok27]

If Thailand were smart they would not allow tourists of any kind into Thailand until next year at the earliest, like next summer. Looking at the virus mutations, Thailand most likely only got the weaker version of Covid-19 unlike Italy and most of Europe and the United States. If the stronger version of Covid-19 gets into Thailand it could be a disaster. On another note, I've read some articles that said that the virus is weakening, which was predicted in several articles I read at the beginning of this pandemic. They were saying that Corona Virus's have a habit of weakening over time but not always.

[yuyiinthesky]

9 hours ago, cmarshall said:

As I say, I haven't read anything about the Cambodian response to the pandemic, so I don't know how they responded or what the result was.  The Johns Hopkins dashboard reports no information available on Covid deaths in Cambodia.  The Statista database on death per million has no information on Cambodia.  So, I have no idea what went on there.  I certainly wouldn't base my understanding of what the best responses to the pandemic have on a case about which there is so little information.

Very simply, there is no information about Covid 19 deaths because they had nothing to enter, zero, nada, nothing. Statista has nothing to enter.

 

And as said earlier and posted here on TVF already, no Thailand style lockdown, actually no lockdown, just closed KTVs schools, gyms. No beach ban, no alcohol ban, no curfew, no forced shelter in place.

 

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CAMBODIA COVID-19 – SITUATION UPDATE: 23 June 2020. CASES: 130 CURED: 127 Time: 09:30 am

Source: https://www.khmertimeskh.com/50737167/cambodia-covid-19-case-breakdown-23-june-2020/

 

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No deaths from the disease have been reported since the Coronavirus hit Cambodia early this year, one of very few countries in the region with zero reported fatalities.

Source: https://www.khmertimeskh.com/723990/well-done-all-122-victims-of-covid-19-recovered-no-deaths/

 

So if you want to praise Thailand‘s draconian lockdown, then you should praise Cambodia’s not-lockdown even more. It‘s obviously more successfull.

Edited June 26, 2020 by yuyiinthesky

[ukrules]

22 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

And what happened? Zero deaths. Zero. And again zero. 

Hmmm, impossible I hear you say. Oh well.

No tests, no deaths, no problem ????

Edited June 26, 2020 by ukrules

[cardinalblue]

Thai people and many other Asian populations have built up immunity due to continually be exposed to other infectious and non infectious diseases that have been eradicated in the west...
 

genetics and environment both factor into rates of infection and exposure

 

the virus never integrated into the local communities... 

 

 

[ukrules]

Apparently there's an unknown percentage of people who will be left with a chronic lung disorder after a bad reaction to this virus.

 

It will be interesting to see the numbers of people who suffer from this fibrosis in the coming year or two and compare them with historical data, if they release such numbers that is.

 

I guess the time to look for previously published data on lung disease in Thailand would be now - before they delete it all.

[yuyiinthesky]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

No tests, no deaths, no problem ????

It's a tad too simple to say that. There have been tests and quite much contact tracing. 
I have some friends living in Cambodia, and they all report the same as we see in Thailand, empty hospitals etc. 

I'm not saying there was no SARS-CoV-2 in Cambodia, quite the contrary, same as in Thailand I think the virus did go through long before any testing started - but that there could be a very low death rate, even zero, is quite possible. (Keep in mind the very low percentage of people > 65 years old.)

In this discussion it is about comparing the lockdown Thailand to the non-lockdown Cambodia. I think the numbers in Cambodia and Thailand have both about the same correctness level. As hospitalized patients were tested, the number of deaths are most probably not too wrong, but the real number of infections is of course very much higher. As it's the deaths which matter, and non-lockdown Cambodia has zero, I think Cambodia's response was sufficient. Only that is my point, not if the real number of deaths in Cambodia or Thailand is 100% correct. If Thailand's lockdown gets praised for the low numbers, then Cambodia's non-lockdown must be praised more.

 

Cambodia is also pushing to open the border to Thailand at Poi Pet again, but Thailand is still blocking it  (https://www.khmertimeskh.com/50738322/no-date-for-reopening-of-cambodian-thailand-border-at-aranyaprathet/ ).

Edited June 26, 2020 by yuyiinthesky

[joecoolfrog]

On 6/24/2020 at 5:09 PM, Yinn said:

No same problem.

 

OBESITY AND MORTALITY. According to the National Institutes of Health, obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the United States, close behind tobacco use (3). An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic 

 

 

why isn’t the USA locked down for obesity? Covid deaths obesity people a lot.

 

or the U.K?

The 2013 annual Health Survey for England showed that 61 per cent of adults, and 30 per cent of children aged between two and 15 in England are now either overweight or obese1. The number of adults classed as obese has increased by 60 per cent in the last two decades (from 15 per cent in 1993 to 25 per cent in 2011). In 2004 research by
a House of Commons Select Committee estimated that 34,100 deaths were attributable to obesity — 6.8 per cent of all deaths in England. 

 

 

 

 

More people die obesity in UK and USA. Bigger problem than Thai road death. 

You really are brainless , Thailand has an obesity problem also , its diabetes numbers are also climbing.

The increasing fuedal aspect of your military government is also driving more people into poverty and no doubt a lifetime of prostitution and servititude. As for your head of state ( in his luxury hotel in germany with his giks ) he is of course setting a marvelous example to his struggling subjects. So remind me , what exactly are you proud of ?

[1FinickyOne]

what you are missing in your logic is the word exponential... 

 

by locking down and proceeding w/care and caution, they greatly limited the disease... 

 

if they had not done this, you cannot assume the death toll would be so low... it would be far greater than road deaths... 

[cmarshall]

10 hours ago, Thomas J said:

cmarshall

 

Do you have a Crystal Ball? 

Vietnam has a population of 90 million people.  No Covid deaths.   Is that because of their "fast action"  or because Covid does not do well in hot climates and mostly impacts older people.  There is a vaccine for the flu yet between 5% and 20% of the worlds population catches it each and every year.   Sweden did nothing and its death rate per million is lower than Belgium, Italy,  Spain and the U.K. all of whom had complete lock downs.  Look at the countries that are similar to Thailand and their death rate.  You mean Zambia was at the forefront of social distancing.  The countries are by and large warm weather with younger populations.  One way or another you have a country doing handstands and killing its economy over 56 total deaths when that is the average death count PER DAY on Thailand streets. 

 

You have the data, but you fail to understand it.

 

The Covid-dies-in-hot-climates hypothesis is thoroughly refuted by the fact that the country that is #2 in the world for the number of infections is Brazil and #4 is India.  

 

Sweden did indeed do nothing and is now the fifth worst country in deaths per million at 513.59.  The countries most comparable to Sweden, particularly in terms of low population density, are Norway with 46.85 dpm, Finland with 59.26 dpm, and Denmark with 104.01 dpm.  To conclude that Sweden has in any sense succeeded, because it is not dead worst in the world is breathtakingly stupid, even by the standards of TV.

 

Apparently, it is not possible to dislodge your mind from getting stuck on lockdowns vs lockdowns although I have already explained that a lockdown is a desperate last resort after the country has failed to contain the virus.   

 

Since we know that the climate did not save Vietnam, how on earth do we explain their lack of Covid deaths?  Turns out to be the usual suspects.  

 

So how has Vietnam seemingly bucked the global trend and largely escaped the scourge of the coronavirus? The answer, according to public health experts, lies in a combination of factors, from the government's swift, early response to prevent its spread, to rigorous contact-tracing and quarantining and effective public communication.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/asia/coronavirus-vietnam-intl-hnk/index.html

 

Vietnam started preparing weeks before its first case was detected. 

 

By January visitors from Wuhan were being screened for fever at the airport in Hanoi.  Those with a fever were isolated and closely monitored. 

 

In mid-January the Vietnamese government directed the public health officials to take "drastic action" to stop the spread.   

 

The first two Covid cases arrived in Hanoi on a flight from Wuhan on Jan. 23. 

 

On Jan 24 all flights to and from Wuhan were stopped. 

 

On Jan. 27 the government set up a national steering committee to control the outbreak. 

 

On Feb. 1 with just six confirmed cases, Vietnam declared a national epidemic.  All flights to and from China were halted.  During the month of Feb. travel restrictions, arrival quarantines, and visa suspensions were increased.  

 

On Feb. 15 all schools and universities were closed. 

 

Late March entry of all foreigners into Vietnam was suspended. However, at that time there was a second wave of infections from Vietnamese returning from abroad.  The government rigorously traced contacts with those carriers and placed each one of them in a mandatory two-week quarantine.  In one hospital in Hanoi, the public health officials traced contacts with 100,000 people related to the hospital.  

 

Vietnam's contact-tracing effort was so meticulous that it goes after not only the direct contacts of an infected person, but also indirect contacts. "That's one of the unique parts of their response. I don't think any country has done quarantine to that level," Thwaites said.

 

"We have a very strong system: 63 provincial CDCs (centers for disease control), more than 700 district-level CDCs, and more than 11,000 commune health centers. All of them attribute to contact tracing," said doctor Pham with the National Institute of Hygiene and Epidemiology.

 

By May 1, 70,000 people were quarantined in government facilities, while 140,00 were self-quarantined at home or in hotels.

 

Vietnam never had a national lockdown, but they did lockdown localities, for instance, in March they locked down the Bach Mai hospital in Hanoi.

 

What I find repellent among the posters like yourself who are bound and determined to find some theory, any theory, that explains the fact that Asian countries suffered only about 1% of the Covid deaths of the Western countries without giving any credit at all to the Asian people and their governments.  The simple fact is that the Asian governments referenced have shown that they vigorously fulfilled their responsibilities to protect their populations from the preventable deaths of the Covid pandemic.  The Western governments performed 100 times worse, because they were simply incompetent or, as in the case of the US, UK, and Brazil, because the corrupt ruling parties just abdicated their responsibilities wholesale.  I find it puzzling that you are unable to see what is right in front of you.

 

The US spends about $4 trillion per year on health care with the result, unique in history, that 40% of the wealthiest 1% of the country are doctors.  And then we see nurses wearing garbage bags trying to care for infectious Covid patients.  That is what systemic corruption looks like.

 

 

[Huckenfell]

On 6/25/2020 at 12:25 AM, chessman said:

For an infectious disease that had and still has the potential to kill 100,000s of people here. You may not agree with how the Thai government handled it but you should at least be able to understand why they took the action they did.

As it stands the road death will remain constant, however if this diecease gets away and breeds up big time millions couild die.

[yuyiinthesky]

14 hours ago, cmarshall said:

What I find repellent among the posters like yourself who are bound and determined to find some theory, any theory, that explains the fact that Asian countries suffered only about 1% of the Covid deaths of the Western countries without giving any credit at all to the Asian people and their governments.  

And what I find repellent among the posters like yourself is that you totally ignore that Cambodia (and apparently Vietnam too?) has achieved a better result without draconian lockdown and curfew, without shelter in place and alcohol ban and beach ban and all that nonsense.
 

Instead of being delighted that zero deaths was achieved without all that lock down <deleted> you claim some Asia - West controversy agenda, and praise all the lock down nonsense. As if it can only be right if there is the most severe lockdown, and it just can‘t be that Cambodia did better without it. 
 

Are you guys just scared or do you enjoy being locked down?

[cmarshall]

9 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

And what I find repellent among the posters like yourself is that you totally ignore that Cambodia (and apparently Vietnam too?) has achieved a better result without draconian lockdown and curfew, without shelter in place and alcohol ban and beach ban and all that nonsense.
 

Instead of being delighted that zero deaths was achieved without all that lock down <deleted> you claim some Asia - West controversy agenda, and praise all the lock down nonsense. As if it can only be right if there is the most severe lockdown, and it just can‘t be that Cambodia did better without it. 
 

Are you guys just scared or do you enjoy being locked down?

Apparently since you are so angry about being inconvenienced by the closure of beaches and the alcohol ban, that you are unable to grasp a discussion of Covid response that isn't about lockdown or no lockdown, which is, after all, not the main issue.  The main issue is whether the government starts the right containment measures quickly and carefully enough.  Thailand, Vietnam, S. Korea, Taiwan, and others did.  The Western countries did not.  

[marvin1950]

All this for a 96% recovery rate.

3,400 cases out of 66,000,000 people

58 deaths

Community spread lmited.

Is there a correlation between people losing their jobs because of the virus and increase in crime, depression, suicide, drug use and spousal abuse?

Edited June 28, 2020 by marvin1950
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