3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

the car was a gift of affection and so was the house

Hmmm, the only "gifts of affection" I ever give are an occasional bunch of flowers, a nice set of ear rings or a pendant now and then, perhaps even the new dress or those shoes she's been eyeing for some time. It has never crossed my mind that cars and houses should be regarded as "gifts of affection", let alone potential generous financial contributions to nurse the ailing water buffalo back to health. In other words: When I notice that her only affection is for my assets, she's really not worthy of my... uhm... affection. Period.

He should have requested the house be demolished and each take half

Its fun to demolish something like that with an excavator  

As in most places suckers born every minute, it's obviously there is a much higher rate in Thailand.

I know of 2 previous CM cases neither who were married with judge ruling favorably for the westerner - 5 million house went to him and car to her - 2nd case ruled that the 12 million baht home they built was given to him...both had to see the properties within one year.
 

both men had all the money transfer documents...neither of the women could prove where they got the money both coming up with lies about their families giving them the money....

I met a person in CM who the courts entitled him to 50% of everything. woman had to pay up or sell the home and divide it. Home got sold. Also met another person who the courts did not agree and lost everything. I think up to the judge and their decision and that is mostly based on if the judge is ok with foreigners or the foreigner he or she sees, or if not ok and does not like foreigners. Thai usually always stick with Thai .

He has a good lawyer. I guess he (the lawyer) will get many new clients in the near future. Btw., anybody knows his name? Asking for a friend.

It's the same all over the world. When the relationship is over, the fight for the money starts.

GOOD !  Well done judge.

"in tears" ... crocodile tears more like!!!

I will never understand these guys???????. If you absolutely have to buy a house in your partners name, then why not just pay minimum downpayment and let the rest be a bank-loan. This way, she can tell you to leave, but will be stuck with the monthly payments until the loan is paid off. (about 10 years). Should she be a scammer, then at least the loss is minimal and she is stuck with the debt.

 

If you buy a car in her name, do the same and renew the car and loan every 4-5 years. Seeing the monthly bills, will for sure reduce any scammers incentive to throw you out the house.

 

When my wife and I bought a house, we made a Thai-court legalised loan document and will, stating that she owes me THB 1.5 mill. and that I get everything in case of her death. My wife had no problems with that, as she also wants me and our kid to be financially secure, should she e.g. die before me. 

 

What the hell is wrong with people buying everything 100% in cash in other peoples names?? People really do lose their mind on arrival here.

 

Edited June 27, 20206 yr by khunpa

4 hours ago, Cali farong said:

Don’t put anything in ANY woman’s name that you can’t afford to lose.

Life is full of surprises 

Most people are not knowledgeable of a land and house Usufruct. This allows you name to be on the bottom line of the chanote deed. The legal owner gives up the right to the property as long as you live. It cost B75 to do this at the land office. You can also sublet the property for up to 30 years. This way you can not be cheated out of your property. The Thai has to agree to the Usufruct. Much better than a long term lease. It works for me.

No support payments? 

The judge had the wisdom of Solomon, take the deal,or the

house will be demolished and you each get a pile of rubble.

regards Worgeordie

5 hours ago, Cali farong said:

Don’t put anything in ANY woman’s name that you can’t afford to lose.

Life is full of surprises 

Or get a woman that actually earns an income, preferably one higher than yours. 

 

Our house is in my wife's name and she makes the monthly mortgage payments from her paycheck.

5 hours ago, NumbNut said:

I'm amazed too. I've been in Thailand for ten years now and I've never heard of a single even-handed legal decision like this come down when a defacto relationship was being adjudicated on.

 

I would think this will heartened a lot of folks in a similar situation.

 

 

There have been a number, if you read the press regularly...

 

7 minutes ago, Bob12345 said:

Or get a woman that actually earns an income, preferably one higher than yours. 

 

Our house is in my wife's name and she makes the monthly mortgage payments from her paycheck.

Higher than mine huh, ahahaaa, I wasn't an English Teacher. I was making 300,000 to 450,000 bht/mo.

14 minutes ago, Bob12345 said:

Or get a woman that actually earns an income, preferably one higher than yours. 

 

Our house is in my wife's name and she makes the monthly mortgage payments from her paycheck.

Not so easy to find a woman like that in Thailand. Unless you can bring something to the table. Can bet that you and your wife dont differ too much in age and looks and education. I mean why would a woman making far more then a guy marry a guy double her age ?

 

The kind of woman you describe would want a similar partner not too much older and the guy has to be a nice guy similar education and so on. Many guys here want a far younger partner that looks super hot. That is not going to happen with the kind of woman you describe. 

6 hours ago, ezzra said:

An important lesson to be learned here to all those who still believe and trust local spouses...

I trust my wife, she gets the house, the car, the bike, the furniture and the kids, I get all of my money which is overseas ????

 

That's fair, I have a prenuptial in the old country and she isn't entitled to any of it, like I said, sounds fair, and naturally I would support our kids, no point in crying over spilt milk.

Edited June 27, 20206 yr by 4MyEgo

Good on him! We need to know who the lawyer was, and the name and location of the judge! 

 

As quoted in the article: The relationship started in December 2018, when the Danish man visited Thailand for the first time after his wife had passed away. He met the Thai woman in Hua Hin, which he visited together with another Danish man and his Thai wife. She was working in a bar there and he liked her. After a few days of seeing her every day, he bought her out of the bar for a full week and together they went to Kanchanaburi where his friend went up to play golf. After that, he went back to Denmark only to return a month and a half later. This time, his girlfriend took him up to see her mother in Buriram and he stayed for a full three months. Between the spring of 2019 and February 2020 when the relationship ended, the Danish man transferred a total of 5,7 mill Baht from his bank account to hers in the belief, that they would live together similar to what he saw his friend did with his Thai wife.

 

It sounds like they may have only been together for a total of just over three months, before he started transferring all of this money to her? What can one say? It is desperate and inane behavior. And all this with a bar girl. He would have been well served to hire a good PI for only 20,000 baht, to do a background check. Imagine the stuff he could have found out about this scam artist?

 

The real issue is that many men come here and confuse a slight degree of affection, with love. It is a perversion of the term. The biggest part of the problem here, is the extreme emasculation that is taking place in the West. Most men, in the US, Europe, and Oz, are no longer real men, when it comes to dealing with their women. Their women have made their lives so difficult, and alot of women have gotten so far away from their innate femininity, and have become dominant, and super controlling, and men just go along with it. Most men have become so hungry for love, or emotionally desperate for some kindness, and TLC. And most are so desirous of being around a real woman, who knows how to act like a woman, and manifest the dignity, within femininity. So, it is easy for the con artists, to take advantage of emotionally wounded men, who seem to be willing to do anything to regain a semblance of normality in their lives, with a decent woman. 

 

Always remember, if it is good, it is only going to get better. If there are problems, they will reveal themselves over time. Take your time getting to know a woman here, or anywhere. Time is your ally. It is rarely their ally. They are usually trying to step up the timetable. We need to push back. We need to assert control. An environment like this allows us to do so. Take advantage of that. Be a man. Step up. Pay tribute to the gender. Refuse to lay down anymore. Refuse to be a doormat. Refuse to check your cajones at the door. Your common sense and intuition is an ally. Use it!

 

Edited June 27, 20206 yr by spidermike007

6 hours ago, colinneil said:

I find this story absolutely amazing, the same court gave my ex house, car, motorbikes.

I was left with nothing, not even my clothes that were in the house.

Did you forget the Judges Brown envelope prior to the hearing???

6 hours ago, colinneil said:

I find this story absolutely amazing, the same court gave my ex house, car, motorbikes.

I was left with nothing, not even my clothes that were in the house.

Maybe the judge was "influenced" in this case? (Read whatever you want into "influenced"!)

6 hours ago, rooster59 said:

tear down the house

5 million invested and got 900K

i would have bulldozed half the house. 

Going on for 11 years with my wife.  We take care of one another. If your with a good woman you should have figured it out before you got married....or in a permanent relationship.  I don't get how there is a constant stream of guys getting ripped off by dodgy woman.  My only guess is a lot of the guys are on the booze none stop when they are here and they are missing the important warning signals.  Maybe it's the constant supply of anything goes sex that fogs the mind???  I guess one day  some university type will do a study and the answer will be revealed.

6 hours ago, Badbanker said:

This is not a legal precedent, as there have been many cases in the past, in which the court has found that the person who invested the money to purchase the assets while in a relationship, retains the right to use the asset or to liquidate them and retrieve the money.

 

Sadly, it also takes an honest and competent lawyer to do this!  This is where the problem starts as the woman will often cut a deal with your lawyer to mess up your case so she wins. 

Indeed. About 10 years ago my friend won a judgment for 60 million THB against his ex (that he was not legally married to). The court ordered that the property be sold at auction and that my friend recover 70% and the ex retain 30% as a settlement. Unfortunately it was during the economic slowdown of the global financial crisis. The court held 3 auctions and bidding as I recall didn't even reach 40% of the asking price. Not sure what happened after that. I think the lawyers arranged a sale a few years later (for much less money). So justice is possible. 

For many years I married a Thai woman, I paid to buy some land and build a house, bought a car in my name, and bought some things inside the house, one day she said she didn't love me anymore (she didn't never loved, only my money loved) asked me for a divorce she had started with a thai man, I told her that I gave her a divorce when she sold the house and gave me half the money, she said let's divorce then I will sell the house, no I told her, from now and in an hour you go out of this house, and come back here when you sold the house and with half the money, return after 2 weeks with half the money in hand, the next day at 9 we had already divorced, she didn't ask me anything else, she said that if I was still in Thailand if I needed her help to call her, I told her not about you I already did the funeral you died for me and in front of her I canceled the his phone number was very bad for me, but I was very happy, never seen again after hearing he spoke he asked the friends about me, but the friends have the order not to tell him let him know anything about me, he understood it, he stopped asking, within 3 months I made the divorce helped by a woman that I had put together but also with her and finished in a year and a half, I met another real independent woman with her job, her house and also a car, I remarried and for now it's okay, but there is already a clause, you have first problems the money for the plane ticket they are ready set aside. First my tranquility and peaceful life always.

3 hours ago, Tagged said:

If you do not trust your local spouse, whay the deleted do you live with her in the first place. I could not live with someone I did not trust, but I believe if I <deleted> her off enough, im out, and she keeps everything thats in here name. So simple and esay it is said.  

exactly, always rent don't buy....There is always a new firmer cow with better milk just around the corner ????

6 hours ago, NumbNut said:

I'm amazed too. I've been in Thailand for ten years now and I've never heard of a single even-handed legal decision like this come down when a defacto relationship was being adjudicated on.

 

I would think this will heartened a lot of folks in a similar situation.

 

 

Even handed? He gets a secondhand car that will have depreciated and probably have dents in every panel before he gets his hands on it, she gets a house worth considerably more than the car, even when the car was new.

 

its better than nothing, but doesn’t get close to 50:50.

..congratulations and well deserved Mr. Danish-man.

When your (any) woman aint your woman anymore, you can expect everything in bad way.

6 hours ago, Denim said:

I love you long time

Normally I hear this phrase from hookers during the negotiation of her price