14 hours ago, Enoon said:

 

China definitely does not want a war with the West, and is only behaving like it is because it knows the West will not start one.

 

If Sun Tzu was advising the West, he would tell it that this was precisely the time to attack.

 

 

1) The onkly thing what could work, is a complete boycott of Chinese goods in the West. But these are all capitalists. Lenin already sead: "the capitalist will even se4ll us the rope we will hang him with ". 

2) What I do not understand: LOTS of protests all over the Capitalist World about misconduct, misbehaviour of government(al bodies) or privates, but NEVER over a "socialist" or muslim state. Any protests heard about the Chinese behaviour in Tibet since 1950, or nowadays against Ujgurs ? About semi-slavery in the Gulf or Saudi-Arabia ? Human house-hold ladies dumped as trash ? 

Edited July 2, 20206 yr by puipuitom

22 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

1) The onkly thing what could work, is a complete boycott of Chinese goods in the West. But these are all capitalists. Lenin already sead: "the capitalist will even se4ll us the rope we will hang him with ". 

2) What I do not understand: LOTS of protests all over the Capitalist World about misconduct, misbehaviour of government(al bodies) or privates, but NEVER over a "socialist" or muslim state. Any protests heard about the Chinese behaviour in Tibet since 1950, or nowadays against Ujgurs ? About semi-slavery in the Gulf or Saudi-Arabia ? Human house-hold ladies dumped as trash ? 

Thanks, yes, you bring up good points.

 

Saudis are happily running a genocide in Yemen with the massive help of the US, China exposing millions of Uighurs in their concentration camps to torture, Saudis infiltrating Twitter to get to the IDs of critical Saudi citizens and arresting them, silencing them, and much more like that, that all seems to be not worthy much attention.

 

I hope that at least the people of Hong Kong will get some help. God have mercy with the ones arrested already in the last days, whose crimes where to sing songs and show flags demanding freedom.

27 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

1) The onkly thing what could work, is a complete boycott of Chinese goods in the West. But these are all capitalists. Lenin already sead: "the capitalist will even se4ll us the rope we will hang him with ". 

2) What I do not understand: LOTS of protests all over the Capitalist World about misconduct, misbehaviour of government(al bodies) or privates, but NEVER over a "socialist" or muslim state. Any protests heard about the Chinese behaviour in Tibet since 1950, or nowadays against Ujgurs ? About semi-slavery in the Gulf or Saudi-Arabia ? Human house-hold ladies dumped as trash ? 

Yes. Sadly there are a few members on here too who are only hypersensitive to what goes on in the West, but they sadly ignore (some even celebrate) the atrocious actions of the CCP. 

 

Some people have allowed themselves to be so polarized that they really think Western imperialism is worse than Chinese. They're ignoring decency and human rights for some. The bigotry of low expectations, I guess. 

This is in The Guardian today. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/02/china-could-prevent-hongkongers-moving-to-uk-says-dominic-raab

1 hour ago, tribalfusion001 said:

This is in The Guardian today. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/02/china-could-prevent-hongkongers-moving-to-uk-says-dominic-raab

"Raab admitted there was little Britain could do to “coercively force” China if it tried to block take-up of the government’s visa pledge." “But ultimately we need to be honest that we wouldn’t be able to force China to allow BNOs to come to the UK.”

 

And we know thats exactly what China will do, ban the BNO holders passage to the UK. 

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

"Raab admitted there was little Britain could do to “coercively force” China if it tried to block take-up of the government’s visa pledge." “But ultimately we need to be honest that we wouldn’t be able to force China to allow BNOs to come to the UK.”

 

And we know thats exactly what China will do, ban the BNO holders passage to the UK. 

China, we shouldn’t be surprised, is speaking out of its ars3. 
 

All Macau residents born before their handover have full Portuguese citizenship. Unless China wants make HK a prison (not out of the realms of possibility) there is nothing the can do to stop people leaving. 

China has been active in the last decade, effectively annexing the South China sea from it's SE  Asian neighbours, putting Uyghirs in concentration camps and sterilizing them, trying to get Taiwan removed as a member of global organisations and trying to gain control of the natural resources of Africa. Just a short list, many others .....

 

Words will achieve nothing. Time to start introducing massive boycotts - no more visas for mainland Chinese, ban them from owning land and property in the west, and massive tariffs on all chinese goods. Send then back to the 1960's. It will affect everyone's pockets, but principles come with a price.

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

And we know thats exactly what China will do, ban the BNO holders passage to the UK. 

They would have to ban them from travelling anywhere outside HK (apart from PRC, of course), I think - most likely through requiring them to apply for exit visas which would prove all but impossible to obtain in practice.

Edited July 2, 20206 yr by OJAS