Next step if things don't improve could be to mobilize the Oregon National Guard under federal command.

3 minutes ago, nattaya09 said:

Next step if things don't improve could be to mobilize the Oregon National Guard under federal command.

I suppose they could get rid of the unauthorised Federal goons but probably easier not to send the federal agents, with no jurisdiction, in the first place.

15 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

They'll (law enforcement) be happy to leave when the terrorists leave.

Oh those terrorist mommies that got teargassed and beat up last night in Portland?its the first amendment it’s our right all this burning and destruction is greatly exaggerated bigley lol unmarked troopers in cameo grabbing Americans off the streets into unmarked cars strikes me as (terrorist)

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

So misleading to post this pick with your comment.  But you know that.

 

The Land of the Free does not mean that you are free to commit violence, loot, engage in arson, deface public property or the like.  The pictured officers are combating that illegal behaviour.

 

Again, so misleading.

It is misleading that you and Trump talk so much about violence, looting, arson, etc. Because most protesters seems to be non violent. They protest against injustice and that is rightful because of their Freedom of Speech.

 

Nobody has a problem with arresting violent people. Sending federal troops who aggressively arrest also peaceful protsters has nothing to do with that.

7 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

I suppose they could get rid of the unauthorised Federal goons but probably easier not to send the federal agents, with no jurisdiction, in the first place.

Keep repeating another fallacy enough and it may become truth?  The only people you try to fool are the ignorant.

4 hours ago, webfact said:

rump, joined at a White House event by Attorney General William Barr, unveiled an expansion of the "Operation Legend" program to include cities such as ... Albuquerque, New Mexico, in a further effort by federal officials to tackle violence.

Dude, Breaking Bad is over, the Meth lab is no more, you missed Walter White by 7 years man.  

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3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It is misleading that you and Trump talk so much about violence, looting, arson, etc. Because most protesters seems to be non violent. They protest against injustice and that is rightful because of their Freedom of Speech.

 

Nobody has a problem with arresting violent people. Sending federal troops who aggressively arrest also peaceful protsters has nothing to do with that.

Doesn't matter if most protesters are nonviolent.  Once a protest devolves into rioting it's no longer a peaceful protest.  Granted that it's true that peaceful protests get hijacked.  You don't mention at all the rights of those who have to suffer the effects of the riots.  What about them?  And no one here is arguing against freedom of speech.  We're all for it.  Except the libs who attempt to deny the free speech of those who disagree with their views.

 

I think your claim about aggressively arresting peaceful protesters is baseless.  Feel free to support it with evidence.  In the meanwhile they'll continue to arrest those committing criminal acts.  Sorry if you don't like it.

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Keep repeating another fallacy enough and it may become truth?  The only people you try to fool are the ignorant.

This is absolutely the most hilarious thing I’ve ever heard a trump supporter say it’s exactly the ploy he uses to reel in his marks in lol god that’s funney 

17 minutes ago, Tug said:

Oh those terrorist mommies that got teargassed and beat up last night in Portland?its the first amendment it’s our right all this burning and destruction is greatly exaggerated bigley lol unmarked troopers in cameo grabbing Americans off the streets into unmarked cars strikes me as (terrorist)

Please post videos of mothers being beat up, there must be lots.

What about selling the 3 Marxist Western states to Mexico, and then extend the beautiful wall all the way up to Canada?

 

Imagine the job creation...and the peace...

 

 

I am a Portland native. I still have many friends there, spent more than an hour on phone last night with them.

The Trump troopers do have authority to protect federal property, full stop. They do not have authority to beat, kidnap, gas peaceful protestors, beyond that federal property, full stop. The gang Trump sent in have no training or experience in crowd control, have inflamed the general populace just when protests were dying down.

The willfully ignorant who lump the vast majority of peaceful protesters as rioting horde of anarchists are just plain wrong. You are not dealing with reality.

Paramilitary units with no  ID snatching people off the street, out of their cars, etc smacks of Pinochet's Argentina. That victims are released later without charges shows the feds are acting outside the law.

Amazing how many Americans think they are patriots yet never seemed to have read the Constitution and understood it.

5 minutes ago, Emdog said:

I am a Portland native. I still have many friends there, spent more than an hour on phone last night with them.

The Trump troopers do have authority to protect federal property, full stop. They do not have authority to beat, kidnap, gas peaceful protestors, beyond that federal property, full stop. The gang Trump sent in have no training or experience in crowd control, have inflamed the general populace just when protests were dying down.

The willfully ignorant who lump the vast majority of peaceful protesters as rioting horde of anarchists are just plain wrong. You are not dealing with reality.

Paramilitary units with no  ID snatching people off the street, out of their cars, etc smacks of Pinochet's Argentina. That victims are released later without charges shows the feds are acting outside the law.

Amazing how many Americans think they are patriots yet never seemed to have read the Constitution and understood it.

These folks who are being snatched, are they held for ransom? Are they being tortured do you know? Please elaborate with what is happening in your Portland.

26 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Please post videos of mothers being beat up, there must be lots.

I don’t know how to post videos I’m sure there are good folks out there that do please feel free to do it it was in Portland last night a bunch of lady’s arms linked standing in a line peacefully exercising their first amendment rights getting gassed rushed and broken up by a bunch of feds in unmarked cammo that sir strikes me like the old brown shirts or the Italians under Mussolini it’s not right anywhere let alone in America 

1 minute ago, Emdog said:

I am a Portland native. I still have many friends there, spent more than an hour on phone last night with them.

The Trump troopers do have authority to protect federal property, full stop. They do not have authority to beat, kidnap, gas peaceful protestors, beyond that federal property, full stop. The gang Trump sent in have no training or experience in crowd control, have inflamed the general populace just when protests were dying down.

The willfully ignorant who lump the vast majority of peaceful protesters as rioting horde of anarchists are just plain wrong. You are not dealing with reality.

Paramilitary units with no  ID snatching people off the street, out of their cars, etc smacks of Pinochet's Argentina. That victims are released later without charges shows the feds are acting outside the law.

Amazing how many Americans think they are patriots yet never seemed to have read the Constitution and understood it.

Well said,

Its unfortunate, but even a first hand account such as yours will be dismissed by the Trump supporters. 

Just watched a clip of troopers in Portland driving away rioters from entering the federal courthouse that has been in contention. Either it is true that without those troopers the building would be burned down, or it is not true. One way to find out would be to remove the troops. But then if the building was burned down, what would be proved or accomplished? The mayor would not take responsibility in that event. And speaking of peaceful protests, in a crowd of 100 protestors, it only takes one determined arsonist to change the narrative. But apologists will keep saying they all are "mostly peaceful". So what?

6 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Well said,

Its unfortunate, but even a first hand account such as yours will be dismissed by the Trump supporters. 

It's not his firsthand account.  The poster is not in Portland.  He got his info from friends on the phone.  Makes it second hand.  I can understand your confusion.

Just now, Brunolem said:

What about selling the 3 Marxist Western states to Mexico, and then extend the beautiful wall all the way up to Canada?

 

Imagine the job creation...and the peace...

Job Creation? What the    Do you realize how much of the national economy your are cutting off let alone Federal Tax Money if you did?!  That means the US military would get cut in half, not that it isn't a good jobs program for red states, but what do you do then ? Perhaps a Federal ditch digging program from Texas to the Carolinas to soak up the unemployed?

Saw an interview with that DHS- guy (Chad Wolfe or something) today and he was saying. they are sending in troops to "preamptivelY' arresting demonstrators!

Minority Report, anyone?

4 hours ago, Tug said:

Yea I was really impressed when they tear gassed all those mommies last night this is trump pandering and distracting from the pandemic and economy and many condem unidenifyed troops in unmarked vans grabbing Americans practicing their first amendment rights off the streets and rightfully so 

 

Lie down with dogs and you might get fleas!

 

Now, why were a group of "moms" wanting to protect violent protesters who vandalize government buildings and assault police?

11 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Lie down with dogs and you might get fleas!

 

Now, why were a group of "moms" wanting to protect violent protesters who vandalize government buildings and assault police?

Those mommies were standing up for the first amendment the violence is beeing flamed up by trump and his unmarked feds they are trying to manufacture a (incident) so trump can play his law and order game I know it I think you do to a lot of others as well the only ones winning by this bankrupt ploy are America’s enemies imo

What's occurring in the U.S is a low level civil conflict between lefties or all sorts, and righties of all sorts. the U.S is a "Social experiment gone bad", and so many issues that have been under the surface i.e illegal immigration, racial injustice, economic depravity are all coming to the surface now in 2020. Is Trump wrong to bring these agents to these cities? I don't think he's entirely wrong; there are some nasty, wicked people among these protestors, and these cities. Sit back and get ready for more fireworks in the U.S.A; the place is a tinderbox.

1 minute ago, Tug said:

Those mommies were standing up for the first amendment the violence is beeing flamed up by trump and his unmarked feds they are trying to manufacture a (incident) so trump can play his law and order game I know it I think you do to a lot of others as well the only ones winning by this bankrupt ploy are America’s enemies imo

Yeah, trying to "manufacture" an incident. When the leftist ANTIFA already perpetrated over 95 incidents in Portland in 47 days. Nothing happening in the US at all, no destruction by ANTIFA, nothing, just Trump trying to "manufacture" incidents.

 

You have to laugh.

4 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

The rule of law has been severely tested over the past few years...the willful destruction of America's major cities has further eroded this important concept.  

 

Trump has all but begged Mayors in these cities under siege to use their law enforcement and state's National Guard to stop the looting, burning and defacing buildings...while receiving a daily barrage of BS from Democrats.

 

So far, the federal agents have been concentrating on the protection of Federal Buildings...

 

The lawlessness has gone on unabated for weeks and even months...

 

Time to reclaim American streets and restore a sense of safety and security to the hard working citizens who unwittingly support the protesters financially...

 

There may come a time where citizens take to the streets to remove the law breakers...one may need to break the law to restore the law...

I am back in my home State of Oregon, waiting for Thai boarders to open. I am a Republican! I don’t care for my Governor. And what federal agents are doing in my State is illegal flat unconstitutional! It is intimidation of US citizens that actions are totally within the law. It is a political stunt at the expense of our constitution. I am here  I see what’s going on, are you? This is not productive to stopping the rioters! That’s not who is being detained, intimidated then released... I feel very sorry for the state of my country. Very ashamed of many recent actions on many levels, but if you’re not a US citizens... you have no dog in this fight... so please be respectful as I would be of your country.

4 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

This is a political mistake.  It doesn't matter that in some cities action is needed due to incompetence by local leadership such as Chicago, Portland and other places.  Media will spin it all as "facism" and turn it against the president.

 

I feel for the decent people in the cities impacted.  But they should have been more active in electing real leaders not morons like Lori Lightfoot or Ted Wheeler.  Perhaps in the upcoming election they will remember which party was in control that allowed their cities to burn.

 

 

 

 

Doesn't matter what Trump does as the haters will attack him for everything he does. Had he done nothing they'd have attacked him for that too.

Might as well do some good if he's going to be attacked anyway.

Give it to the thugs large, Mr Trump.

 

That’s the ticket ... use force to subdue the national wide citizen protests. Never mind using a brain to ask why the protests, let alone addressing the underlying issues. As the causes are the long term result of both major political parties in the US we are now, once again, seeing the “law and order” right wing versus the “civil liberties” left wing argument. Shades of Nixon, et.al. There is a consistency ... Republicans calling to subdue protests rather than addressing the Social justice issues. Must be what the American people want, they keep electing these representatives.

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26 minutes ago, The Barmbeker said:

Saw an interview with that DHS- guy (Chad Wolfe or something) today and he was saying. they are sending in troops to "preamptivelY' arresting demonstrators!

Minority Report, anyone?

Reference anyone?

7 minutes ago, DB58 said:

I am back in my home State of Oregon, waiting for Thai boarders to open. I am a Republican! I don’t care for my Governor. And what federal agents are doing in my State is illegal flat unconstitutional! 

No it's not.

 

If you care to read 40 U.S. Code 1315, which under the Homeland Security Act of 2002 gives the department’s secretary the power to deputize other federal agents to assist the Federal Protective Service in protecting federal property, such as the courthouse in Portland you will soon realise you are mistaken.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/us/politics/federal-agents-portland-arrests.html

 

It's perfectly legal and perfectly in line with the constitution. In fact Eisenhower sent in federal troops at Little Rock to uphold US law. Trump doing the same here.

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Just now, wwest5829 said:

 

That’s the ticket ... use force to subdue the national wide citizen protests. Never mind using a brain to ask why the protests, let alone addressing the underlying issues. As the causes are the long term result of both major political parties in the US we are now, once again, seeing the “law and order” right wing versus the “civil liberties” left wing argument. Shades of Nixon, et.al. There is a consistency ... Republicans calling to subdue protests rather than addressing the Social justice issues.

The protests IMO are just an excuse to riot. I doubt many of them actually care about the real issues of the world- IMO overpopulation, fundamentalist terrorism, banker crimes and the rise of a certain power in the east.

Good job Trump. Democrats need to thank Baby Donald he has just given the Democrats another heap of votes,many Republicans are now voting for Biden as they see the would be fascist dictator try another desperate effort to save his Ar11e in November. Latest research shows his radical base is even shrinking, keep up the good work Donny looking forward to seeing you in an orange jump suit.