Si a 90 day report needed for non O ME visa holder

[RubbaJohnny]

The website seems to only allow those who have made earlier 90 day reports?

 

Does this mean I am required to go in person?

 

Or is the a downloadable form I can complete and have an agent/ wife deliver it?

 

Trying to stay healthy I thought the whole diagnosis was to discorage lots of folks going to the Offices.

 

If people who through no fault of there own inability to border bounce all have to attend seems counterproductive.

[ubonjoe]

Everybody that stays longer than 90 consecutive days without doing a extension of their original entry need to do a 90 day report.

Under the ministerial notice approved on April 7th the are not required and the new notice states that it has been extended to September 26th.

But immigration has stated they should be done in August if you have not done one between March 26th and the present time.

If you want to do one your wife could do it for you. Download this. TM47 Form Fillable.pdf80.13 kB · 1,497 downloads

[Peter Denis]

If you have never done a 90-day report before, you need to do the first one IN PERSON at your local IO.  Once your local IO has your data, you can then use the on-line 90-day reporting website for doing your next ones.  Your on-line report is not approved automatically, but is checked by your local IO with the data in their possession (hence the reason for having to do the first one in person). 

According to the latest announcement if you did not do your 90-day report during the Amnesty (it was not required, so no fines or penalization), you are now expected to visit your local IO in person during the month of August to regularize your 90-day reporting situation.

[ubonjoe]

52 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

According to the latest announcement if you did not do your 90-day report during the Amnesty (it was not required, so no fines or penalization), you are now expected to visit your local IO in person during the month of August to regularize your 90-day reporting situation.

They are still not required according the ministerial notice approved by the cabinet last Tuesday.

I don't think immigration really want people who do not normally do 90 day reports to do them. I think the announcement should of said they are only needed if you normally do them due to being on long stay extension or visas.

[RubbaJohnny]

Thanks both

You see my confusion , Peter Denis says yes, Ubon Joe says no ?

The government website won't allow me.

I guess I will have to visit them to avoid penalty.

 

 

How many days prior  26th of September do I need to go to apply for a one year extension at same time please, I have read 45 days , 23, 2 weeks here in the past.

 

Just thinking if I have to waste 1-2 days there do to their endless quest for "favours" I may as well do the 90 days and start the application same day.

 

 

Final query If I apply for year on August 31st will the visa recur at that date each year or September 26th as I am usually not in Thailand over the summer and certainly don't wish to tie up European school vacations 

 

Perhaps I should wait until Sep 26th , get a 60 day and see if borders re -open for a bounce before my non O married expires late November ?

 

My understanding in this constantly changing flux is only 1 sixty day is allowed so best to save it in case the amnesty extended again , so as not to 'Waste" the days?

[ubonjoe]

10 minutes ago, RubbaJohnny said:

How many days prior  26th of September do I need to go to apply for a one year extension at same time please, I have read 45 days , 23, 2 weeks here in the past.

According to their announcement you can apply as many days early as you want to as long as you have 400k baht in the bank if using that option.

When applying for the one year extension they will probably start it on the day you apply.

14 minutes ago, RubbaJohnny said:

Perhaps I should wait until Sep 26th , get a 60 day and see if borders re -open for a bounce before my non O married expires late November ?

It would not be possible to wait until September 26th since it is a Saturday.

Best to do it at least 2 weeks early and it would start on the September 27th.

[RubbaJohnny]

thanks for that

[Peter Denis]

32 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

According to their announcement you can apply as many days early as you want to as long as you have 400k baht in the bank if using that option.

When applying for the one year extension they will probably start it on the day you apply.

It would not be possible to wait until September 26th since it is a Saturday.

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Best to do it at least 2 weeks early and it would start on the September 27th.

Hi UJ,

I am not arguing for arguments sake, but genuinely trying to understand.

You wrote > When applying for the one year extension they will probably start it on the day you apply.

However, if they would do that, it would be in the applicants interest to apply as late as possible (i.e. ultimately Friday 25 September). 

But that's what they try to avoid by urging applicants to do it earlier and let the extension start from 27 September.

Or are you making a distinction between an application for the 1-year extension of stay and an application for the 60-days extension of stay for reason of visiting your wife/dependant child?

 

[ubonjoe]

18 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Hi UJ,

I am not arguing for arguments sake, but genuinely trying to understand.

You wrote > When applying for the one year extension they will probably start it on the day you apply.

However, if they would do that, it would be in the applicants interest to apply as late as possible (i.e. ultimately Friday 25 September). 

But that's what they try to avoid by urging applicants to do it earlier and let the extension start from 27 September.

Or are you making a distinction between an application for the 1-year extension of stay and an application for the 60-days extension of stay for reason of visiting your wife/dependant child?

 

A one year extension is not the same as the short stay 30 or 60 day extensions that they are referring to in the announcement.

There is a approval done for an extension based upon marriage that has to be done at the division headquarters. When would they start the approval process it they dated the extension a lot later than the date of application.

 

[Peter Denis]

17 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

A one year extension is not the same as the short stay 30 or 60 day extensions that they are referring to in the announcement.

There is a approval done for an extension based upon marriage that has to be done at the division headquarters. When would they start the approval process it they dated the extension a lot later than the date of application.

 

 

Fully correct.

But then I can only conclude that Immigration shot themselves in the foot on their last announcement.

Under 2 - Long-term Visa holders, they wrote > All types of Visa extension will be effective from September 27, 2020.

As a Long-term Visa holder you can only apply for the 60-day extension of stay or the 1-year extension of stay.  And by writing 'all types' that surely creates confusion if an application for the 1-year extension of stay would start from date of application (and not effective from Sept 27, as they announced).

 

[mancub]

As it stands, is there essentially no difference applied by Immigration to a Non O ME expired/expiring during the Amnesty and one with expiry in Jan 2021 ? 

[Peter Denis]

1 minute ago, mancub said:

As it stands, is there essentially no difference applied by Immigration to a Non O ME expired/expiring during the Amnesty and one with expiry in Jan 2021 ? 

The validity expiry date of your 1-year MultipleEntry Non Imm O Visa is not relevant once you are in country.  What counts is the permission to stay date stamped in your passport on entry.

And that 90-day permission to stay has already expired.

> So yes, from the point of view of 'permission to stay' there is no difference between an ME Non Imm O Visa of which the validity already expired or one that is still valid till January 2021.  In both cases the permission to stay received on entry will have already expired.

[ubonjoe]

24 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

But then I can only conclude that Immigration shot themselves in the foot on their last announcement.

Under 2 - Long-term Visa holders, they wrote > All types of Visa extension will be effective from September 27, 2020.

I think they were rushing to get it done since the ministerial notice had not been published in the royal gazette.

I think remark should of had a 3 in front of it or been had a line separating it from 2.

It certainly not for those applying for long stay extensions.

I am certain they will do my annual extension next month starting on the same day it has for years already.

[Peter Denis]

38 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

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But then I can only conclude that Immigration shot themselves in the foot on their last announcement.

Under 2 - Long-term Visa holders, they wrote > All types of Visa extension will be effective from September 27, 2020.

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8 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

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I think remark should of had a 3 in front of it or been had a line separating it from 2.

It certainly not for those applying for long stay extensions.

I am certain they will do my annual extension next month starting on the same day it has for years already.

 

Yes I agree that IO will surely not use the 27 September start-date for those renewing their 1-year extension of stay based on their long-term Visa.

But I think that IO are referring to those on a 1-year ME Non Imm O Visa whose permission to stay already expired during the Amnesty.  That group would have an interest in applying as late as possible for their 1-year extension of stay (in the hope the borders open in mean time).  So to avoid, that those 1-year ME Non Imm O Visa holders all apply just before the September 26 dead-line, allowing them to apply earlier with start-date September 27 would make sense.

Will need to see how it works out in practice after 31 July...

 

[RubbaJohnny]

24 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

 

 

Yes I agree that IO will surely not use the 27 September start-date for those renewing their 1-year extension of stay based on their long-term Visa.

But I think that IO are referring to those on a 1-year ME Non Imm O Visa whose permission to stay already expired during the Amnesty.  That group would have an interest in applying as late as possible for their 1-year extension of stay (in the hope the borders open in mean time).  So to avoid, that those 1-year ME Non Imm O Visa holders all apply just before the September 26 dead-line, allowing them to apply earlier with start-date September 27 would make sense.

Will need to see how it works out in practice after 31 July...

 

Yes that is the nub of my original question.

Ask for 60 days now and possbly the amnesty extended I lose that "card" to play again.

 

I plan to wait and see until end of August.

While I like to travel and thre are some flights , destinations that appeal, the sheer  hassle and uncertainty getting back in especially enforced quarantine away from family makes this unattractive at any price.

 

To be fair to the Thai immigration they dont make the law and the authotities has been much more cautious than expected.

 

Nearer the time their tricky balance between tourism/ border openings and public health may move either way.

The virus doesn't seem to listen Trump let alone TAT.

If they don't allow easy travel by 26th of September a whole winter season maybe lost to the desperate tourist season , especially if competing destinations are less hassle.

If the global situation worsens, obtaining insurance can only get tougher and once out no certainty as to when you can return.

 

WOULD IT STILL BE ADVISABLE TO REGISTER A FIRST 90 DAY REPORT  BY AUGUST 31 ?

[Max69xl]

7 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

 

Fully correct.

But then I can only conclude that Immigration shot themselves in the foot on their last announcement.

Under 2 - Long-term Visa holders, they wrote > All types of Visa extension will be effective from September 27, 2020.

As a Long-term Visa holder you can only apply for the 60-day extension of stay or the 1-year extension of stay.  And by writing 'all types' that surely creates confusion if an application for the 1-year extension of stay would start from date of application (and not effective from Sept 27, as they announced).

 

I have a hard time believing there will be any difference doing a 1 year extension in August or September compared to before July 31. They will most likely be issued as usual and will be dated the same date as the one 1 year earlier. The problem as always, is immigration trying to write an explanation how to do it. They have NEVER EVER came up with a correct translation. Imo, every 15, 30 or 60 days extension, when ever you do it will be in effect from September 27 and 1 year extensions will be handled as usual. If someone skipped their annual extension during the first or second "amnesty", it will probably be handled differently depending on the local immigration office.