Aussie Suffer Heart Attack In Immigration Jail

[PvtDick]

You certainly do not stand alone on this. Only an inbred cretin with an IQ of 2 would trust the police anywhere to accuse and convict. The above nutters remind me of Monty Python and the Holy Grail: "burn 'em, I say!". They certainly don't belong in modern-day society; 17th century Salem, perhaps...

[mtnthai]

A person should be considered "Innocent unless proven guilty". The statement "Innocent until proven guilty" implies the finding of guilt as inevitable.

  This should be a fundamental right for anyone in any country, anything else and the police can act as judge, jury, and executioner.

  Maybe I stand alone on this but I don't trust anyone's judgement  that much.

That said investigate the alleged crime and act accordingly.

Thank you "CMguy" for correcting my English.

Yes, it is innocent UNLESS proven guilty. But now that this bit of language has been clairified I think the intentin of my post is the same now and carries with it the same opinion/perspective.

As for "abbas" and the post:

WEll i think the best wise saying is

GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT

that pice of S**T should be hanged

thank you reading this lil post have nothing else to say.

takecare uall.

I will refer to my last post and ask again. Are you someone who is willing to be judged, convicted and sentenced carried out all with the same blatant lack of due process as you so easily wish to judge another by? I think not.

What is it about this particular type of crime that makes so many people think that it is the OK and proper thing to put aside the law, drag the alleged perpatrator into the town pit and cast stones at him tuntil he is dead? I employ this particular scenario because it dates back to the middle ages and the Spanish Inquisition, times that I thought had passed.

Seems that some of the forum's members wish to return to the "good ole" days of yore. So I ask you, why stop there, why not take it to the next level? Hunch your backs and drag your knuckles while we're at it?

[twschw]

First of all the phrase is "presumed innocent UNLESS proven guilty".

Second of all I am quite bothered by those of you who are so quick to condem this man to death.

And lastly, looking is not doing, from the original post the man was charge with possesion of materials not of committing the acts portrayed in the materials.

[otherstuff1957]

Ok, here my .8baht*: IF this guy has molested children then he should have the book thrown at him. However, he IS or at least should be considered innocent until found guilty. Also, there is a difference between fantasy and reality. If all he did was look at pornography, his sentence should be appropriately light.

Of course, if he traded in that pornography or molested children, then a Thai jail is the best place for him!

* Appox. $.02

[CMguy]

IMO the reason people are so quick to judge when a person suspected of abusing a child in any way shape or form, is simply because it is such an emotional disturbing crime that reason is lost and emotion takes over.

Most "normal" adults can't help but love the innocence of a child, it is absolutely the cutest thing in the world. Unfortunately some people for whatever reason twist it all up into something perverted. Maybe it is sex, maybe power or any other excuse an unstable mind can create to justify ones actions.

Child abuse is a problem the world over and nobody really knows how to stop it completely.

This is such an emotionally charged issue that it will almost always make me react with my heart before my head takes over. It would appear many others feel the same way.

Kids deserve our protection and those that "violate" our kids deserve the most severe of punishments. Should we castrate everyone accused? Of course not. However "if" found guilty in a "properly" conducted trial bring out the dull, rusty knives and get to chopping away.

Please disregard my errors with grammar, spelling etc. I excelled in science and math and just " got by" with my English studies.

[konangrit]

If I recall correctly, there were no allegations that he "diddled" anyone. They just found some kiddie porn in his house. Surely there should be a milder form of ###### for pedophiles who don't actually act on it?

Demand for child porn surely encourages the abuse of children. It's a sreious offence which should carry an equally serious penalty.

I do agree that someone should be innocent until proven guilty, however the Thai justice system is far from perfect and I take any guilty or innocent verdict with a pinch of salt.

[DaveYo]

Well hold on fellas, how is this for your clippers???????? Did it occur to many of you the biggest producers of KP is from the Government themselves? There are facts that prove this allegation to boot. Also did it occur to you one can obtain archives of this stuff done like 20 or 30 years or more ago. Now when one does such downloading or obtaining such is this person guilty of something that occurred 30 years ago for just mere possession of some KP archives??????? Also keep in mind having KP is one thing, but acting out on such to human kids of today is another thing. Definitely two very different acts. Am I right or wrong.

So someone posed a question here- why is one being condemmed of doing something with the kids of today when one merely obtained such KP that was archived and it goes back 30 years???????? and has not done one single thing to any kid of today?????

That is why we all should not be so judgmental when one is so accused of such serious charges and such should be treated with some doubt in your heads and give the benefit to the accused unless proven otherwise.

If we did not do this at all, then we live in an Anarchy of Society that is Doomed to destroy themselves literally.

Daveyo

[penzman]

. Also did it occur to you one can obtain archives of this stuff done like 20 or 30 years or more ago.

Now when one does such downloading or obtaining such is this person guilty of something that occurred 30 years ago for just mere possession of some KP archives???????

The fact that it happened 20-30 years ago or last week does not change the fact that some <deleted> gets off on it and that someone got money somehow by distributing the material to him. I doubt there is a charitable organisation handing out KP for free. It's a business and nothing else.

I wonder what these kids who are maybe now in their 30's or 40's would say about this today.

[DaveYo]

Penzman, I don't know the answer to your last sentence. All I know from what I gather on is the Government disseminates this stuff, and obviously those who do get it most likely are on the hit list to get busted. This is their version of trying to catch people more or less.

I am sure those victims were either found or never were found, or they simply don't want to bring up such issue of their past activities and would rather forget, or for whatever reason it may be.

Listen I came across some web sites looking for something like for example a company that sells bathroom faucets, and lo and behold bingo a kiddie porn site appeared out of no where. So how do you figure that a site that is suppose to sell faucets has this crap showing up??????? I was dumbstruck and startled as my first impression. After that I got out of there pronto, and search for my faucet at other places.

It does happen from time to time.

Daveyo

[stroll]

Well perceived pragmatic solution, Australia!

I am surprised how many posts and viewing this gets, all to the purpose of discussing guilty or innocence, or whether one should judge or leave it to the courts.

It would be much more productive to discuss how such activities are found out and what one could do to help exposing such individuals and ensure the investigation reaches the court. But where are all the enraged voices then?

I have made a similar post, hidden in the brothel thread in the Chiang Mai forum, since the thread there on paedophiles was closed within 24 hours.

Not a single reply in 5 hours.

[shellman]

If I recall correctly, there were no allegations that he "diddled" anyone. They just found some kiddie porn in his house. Surely there should be a milder form of ###### for pedophiles who don't actually act on it?

surely anyone who is a peadohile or assists them to get small boys or girls should not be improsoned but executed on the spot when found guilty, as a father of 2 small kids, i must say that if he is guilty i wish him fun in the dirtiest thai jail with the guy with the biggest DI** there f***** him 24 hours a day. sorry to be extreme on this but it is just an issue that should drive any father to wanting to execute this scum himslef.

[abbas]

Well you guys dont get it do you now tell me what you think.

That dude had prono cds and or s**t like that at his place (';)')

Aussi gov reported thai gov about his intentions (cant you see he has done something that a gov goes to this extent) (':blink:')

Then this dudes visa is canceled by Aussis (i am smelling some serious sh**t hes in too) ('<_<')

Best of all his partner also got cought (must be in thoes home made vcds) after the cds where got humm anyway thats my point of view isnt it odd that it all adds up but hey we can say one more thing hes just a blody old horney Aussie that pissed his govt

p.s

There are good cops and bad ones every where so its just bogus to say that thai cops are bad all the time i have been in thailand for 3 years now and no bad thing has happened to me by cops or immigration etc

If your cool every thing is cool

chao

[stroll]

Is it better to condemn somebody you think has done wrong or is it better to think about how to protect the children and prevent abuse?

[solero]

No idea if he's guilty or innocent or what....

anybody got any info on how nonces get on in Thai prisons?

[DaveYo]

By the way did any of you folks ever take notice that the Aussies are in fact by- products of the former colonies of Convicts??????????? This is true and history is my proof.

Now I have some kinda feeling they like to keep their own in their own country for maybe this particular reason.

Like father like son.

Daveyo

[350torana]

Of course child porn is disgusting. But the emotions even the word stirs up really does make someone guily before they recieive a hearing in a court.

Someone mentioned Salem before and I think the word witch hunt is so appriopate. How about the poor male teacher who is reported for innapropiate behaviour on scant evidence? his carrer is ruined guilty or not guilty. Or, the divorced father whose ex wife reports only to influence a custody case. Mud sticks, even if u are innocent .

My point is that hysteria and paraniod emotions about kiddy porn cloud rational debate and facts.

[DaveYo]

Oh by the way, cancelling the guys passport was indeed a very dirty stinking trick used by the Aussie Government, in their efforts to force the Thai police to pick up this person to deport him back to Australia.

With the Aussie Government using such broad powers in this situation is a very scary thought of what other Governments can do to you.

Makes me wonder to get some other Citizenships under my belt to protect my booty more or less which is making more sense the way things are going now a days.

Example Original Aussie Citizen, gets the Mexican passport and perhaps a Japanese passport. Now Aussie Government cancells this guys Aussie passport, so now he can use the Mexican or Japanese passport and still be off the hook and be free. In the meantime the Aussie Government cannot do a darn thing but twiddle their own thumbs and scratch their heads. Then this guy can say adios amingos to Australia and denounce them outright. He has that option

Many of you not know that you can do this within time and reason. Many governments do honor dual or triple citizenships. I remember a case some 20 years or more ago, about some film director who had USA Citizenship and held French Citizenship. While in America he got accused of diddling with some young little girls, and got arrested. Well he posted bail that day, and at night took the next flight out of the country and had made arrangements to have his property shipped the next day. By the time USA found out something like 3 weeks later he was gone and located him in France, so they asked the Frenchies to turn him in, and French Government said Hecka No, he is a French Citizen and they cannot force him to leave. To this day he has stayed in France and never returned to USA because of his outstanding Warrant for arrest in America. On top of that he Denounced his USA Citizenship and kissed them off. How is that for a clipper. To this day he has been clean in France.

Daveyo

[ChiangmaiJim]

Seems a nice person to me, ie. He likes it in the Immigration police cells, he has a ###### of a CD collection, he runs a gay travel agency. and the Australian authorities are chasing him! Of coures he didn't actually have relations with the kids, he says!!!

Well, call me naive but I wouldn't want him for a son in law.

This is a forum and everyone can express their opinions. CMJ.