150,000 is a minuscule number in over 350 million

Add to that over 1/3 of those deaths were in NY and NJ

 

3 hours ago, Tug said:

Hey don’t worry our Donald found a brand new doctor much better than Anthony Fauci so every one can rest easy (sarcasm alert)god you just can’t make this stuff up trump is so obviously unsuited for the job of potus just ignore the guy we know what to do to be safe our remedy comes nov 2 and it’s not about party loyalty it’s about prudence survival and morality stay healthy follow safe protocols 

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Most American hospitals work as profit centers—unlike government run hospitals. And they receive higher reimbursements from the government for each pronounced Wuhan-19 viral death—especially with comorbidity cases.

Easy to see how this system encourages high reported numbers.

The sad fact is that McDonald,s, Coca Cola, etc are killing more people per day than the elusive virus, yet the general population embraces them ????

Trump in Texas doing what he do best. Campaigning without a mask and endorsing those nutter doctors conspiracy theories in front of enduring no mask supporters. Meanwhile surging infections claimed 406,746 cases and 6,049 deaths in Texas alone. Even his ardent no mask sycophant Texas Rep Louie Gohmert has been tested for covid-19. All following their leader down the abyss. 

27 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

what conspiracy, prey tell?? I never mentioned any conspiracy

Standard reply by the libs, Canuck1966.  Dissenting viewpoint = conspiracy theory.

A pseudoscience conspiracy video and other troll nonesense posts removed, also replies

36 minutes ago, scammed said:

45 minutes ago, mrfill said:

Is that the Sweden that has 5x the death rate of its 3 immediate neighbours combined?

almost all of them are retirement age or worse, the herd is better off without them

 

Great, let your true feelings out. Yes, some must die, but they are old anyway,  so the HERD can have a functioning economy, complete with modern conveniences;  toaster ovens, eskys, frozen meat pies.

1 hour ago, Canuck1966 said:

dd to that over 1/3 of those deaths were in NY and NJ

I grew up in that area.   i am pretty sure most of those people deserved it .

 

black humor, folks.   don't wet your pants rushing for the sad emojis.

meanwhile, back on Netflix hundreds of millions are enthralled with murder and rape stories.

1 hour ago, phantomfiddler said:

The sad fact is that McDonald,s, Coca Cola, etc are killing more people per day than the elusive virus, yet the general population embraces them ????

 

FALSE EQUIVALENCY. Losing argument.

 

And a Big Mac and a Coke are not transmissable. I can easily avoid the McFlu.

 

Keep fiddling. The U.S. is still burning.

 

 

 

 

150,000 deaths in USA out of a population of 328,000,000 represents about .5% of the population.  Yet more media exaggeration.  I do wish they would report the facts more clearly instead of blowing things all out of proportion.

1 minute ago, robertson468 said:

150,000 deaths in USA out of a population of 328,000,000 represents about .5% of the population.  Yet more media exaggeration.

 

150,000 = 150,000, where is the "exaggeration"?

 

I'm assuming you think the number is an accurate reflection reality? Or are you suggesting that the 150,000 figure is exaggerated?

 

And if not, is there some figure (1%? 2% More?) where you might show some empathy, concern and compassion?

 

All of the stories of people dying are immensely heart-wrenching.

 

16 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

This is called Fraud, among other things.

 

Unless you can support these charges, feel free to use tin-foil, you should probably avoid posting here.

 

 

"Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases."

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

 

However there's no evidence the system is being gamed

4 hours ago, rumak said:

riots ,  high unemployment,  economy in shambles, bankruptcies .........

 

Dow stocks rose another 160 points last night. 

 

Amazing USA 

It's incredible that the dow has continued to go up, but most of that is because of Tech stocks. The hurt in the economy won't be felt by the dow until the next couple of weeks. Once it starts going down, it'll continue to do so for a while.

2 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Most American hospitals work as profit centers—unlike government run hospitals. And they receive higher reimbursements from the government for each pronounced Wuhan-19 viral death—especially with comorbidity cases.

Easy to see how this system encourages high reported numbers.

As of July 13 there have been 149,200 excess deaths recorded. So a number of 150,000 covid-19 deaths now does not seem to be exaggerated.

https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938

2 hours ago, scammed said:

almost all of them are retirement age or worse, the herd is better off without them

Putting aside your vile ‘the herd is better off without them’, a couple of salient points seem to have evaded you:

 

1. It’s an election year.

2. Older Americans, who vote in very much higher numbers than any other demographic group, have not missed that the failings of this President to deal with the Coronavirus place them at a very much higher risk to this disease.

 

Let’s sacrifice our old for the economy - good luck going into an election with that as a policy.

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Putting aside your vile ‘the herd is better off without them’, a couple of salient points seem to have evaded you:

 

1. It’s an election year.

2. Older Americans, who vote in very much higher numbers than any other demographic group, have not missed that the failings of this President to deal with the Coronavirus place them at a very much higher risk to this disease.

 

Let’s sacrifice our old for the economy - good luck going into an election with that as a policy.

i think the quarantine policy got it 180 degree wrong,

if you are going to quarantine anyone, do it with the infected, new arrivals,

and possibly those at risk.

NY did instead quarantine the productive population, and then sent the infected to nursing homes

bristling with dying old folks, what could possibly go wrong with both economy & the dying ?

Edited July 30, 20205 yr by scammed

2 hours ago, Blue Muton said:

Which begs the question "what will Trump supporters accept without question?" or rather "Is there any point at which his followers will ever question anything he says or does, regardless of what irrefutible evidence there is that he's lying or otherwise wrongdoing?"

I'll speak for myself.  The truth.  As to your "irrefutable" evidence I would say much of it is refutable.  Too much distortion due to bias which you're blind to and unwilling to recognize.

 

5 minutes ago, scammed said:

if you are going to quarantine anyone, do it with the infected,

So you first test everyone in order find out who is infected? So you order all millions to come get tested at the same time? 

 

8 minutes ago, scammed said:

i think the quarantine policy got it 180 degree wrong,

if you are going to quarantine anyone, do it with the infected, new arrivals,

and possibly those at risk.

NY did instead quarantine to productive population, and then sent the infected to nursing homes

bristling with dying old folks, what could possibly go wrong with both economy & the dying ?

And what do you suggest for undetected asymptomatic infected who are the productive super spreaders? 

Would everyone be tested like Trump and his entourage, then you'd be right, is it the case?   

Edited July 30, 20205 yr by Opl

7 minutes ago, scammed said:

i think the quarantine policy got it 180 degree wrong,

if you are going to quarantine anyone, do it with the infected, new arrivals,

and possibly those at risk.

NY did instead quarantine the productive population, and then sent the infected to nursing homes

bristling with dying old folks, what could possibly go wrong with both economy & the dying ?

Because of course there is no contact between any of the different demographics in US society.

 

But you might be on to something, ‘a coordinated and managed response’.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Opl said:

And what do you suggest for undetected asymptomatic infected who are the productive super spreaders? 

Would everyone be tested like Trump and his entourage, then you'd be right, is it the case?   

i think the shut down of economy is more costly then the loss of retirees to the society,

and i find it unethical to tax unborn generations 

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Present your numbers. 

 

the final bill isnt even in sight yet, but you can look at the multi trillion dollars stimulus/aid packages

are being suggested to get a sense where its going

Edited July 30, 20205 yr by scammed

5 minutes ago, scammed said:

the final bill isnt even in sight yet, but you can look at the multi trillion dollars stimulus/aid packages

are being suggested to get a sense where its going

You wrote “more costly”. That means you are comparing two numbers. What are those two numbers and how did you come up with it? 

1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Here you go. Your bias affecting your memory?

LOL.  Forget the bias affecting your reading comprehension.  It's comprehension in general.  You left out the rest of my quote which puts the selective portion you offer up into context.  Small wonder so many are having such difficulty sorting out truth from their own fantasies.

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  Forget the bias affecting your reading comprehension.  It's comprehension in general.  You left out the rest of my quote which puts the selective portion you offer up into context.  Small wonder so many are having such difficulty sorting out truth from their own fantasies.

Look, you've been owned. The best option for you is to quietly tiptoe away and hide for a while.

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  Forget the bias affecting your reading comprehension.  It's comprehension in general.  You left out the rest of my quote which puts the selective portion you offer up into context.  Small wonder so many are having such difficulty sorting out truth from their own fantasies.

The one sentence I left out from your quote was “who are you trying to kid”. And leaving that out does not change that you seem to be convinced that science is about viewpoints. Anyway, nice try deflecting. 

I think what many people overlook is it's not just a simple question of surviving or not, it's the long term effects in those who do survive. 

 

“So about a third of those patients still have symptoms now, and that’s three or four months after being infected. And actually, if you look at those 10% of cases who were admitted to the hospital – so the serious cases and those requiring intensive care – about 80% of those patients still have some symptoms.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/17/most-covid-19-patients-admitted-to-a-sydney-hospital-in-march-still-have-symptoms

Edited July 30, 20205 yr by Marcous

14 minutes ago, scammed said:

i think the quarantine policy got it 180 degree wrong,

if you are going to quarantine anyone, do it with the infected, new arrivals,

and possibly those at risk.

NY did instead quarantine the productive population, and then sent the infected to nursing homes bristling with dying old folks, what could possibly go wrong with both economy & the dying ?

You have it backwards. The young working population represents the vast majority of all cases. Often because they are out partying, rallying, or other stuff.  Maybe 10% are old folks who catch it from the young.

 

So you must quarantine and mask the young. Maybe stop them from posting nonsense.

 

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/COVID-19-Cases-by-Age-Group.aspx

16 minutes ago, scammed said:

the final bill isnt even in sight yet, but you can look at the multi trillion dollars stimulus/aid packages

are being suggested to get a sense where its going

How much of the multi trillion dollars cost is attributed to Trump's mismanagement of the pandemic and the final bill isn't even yet in sight as he continue to mishandle.