3NUMBAS Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Coronavirus: Scientists claim first human reinfected with Covid-19 Shaun Lintern ,https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-scientists-claim-first-human-132600545.html The Independent•24 August 2020 Scientists have reported the world’s first case of a human being re-infected with coronavirus in a discovery that could have significant implications for the development of vaccines and hopes if natural immunity against the virus. Researchers at Hong Kong University’s department of microbiology said genetic sequencing of the virus showed a Hong Kong man was infected twice by different versions of the Covid-19 virus month apart. Announcing the results, the university said: “An apparently young and healthy patient had a second episode of Covid-19 infection which was diagnosed 4.5 months after the first episode.” It said there were two different lineages of the virus detected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ukrules Posted August 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2020 Yes, this is very interesting news and not for any of the reasons you're going to read about over the next week or two in the media. It's very encouraging and positive news when you read a little more and realise that he didn't know he had the virus, it was detected during a routine airport test on arrival. He wasn't ill at all and they would not have found this if it wasn't for the airport test. This is exactly what would happen if you have acquired immunity from a previous infection, your immune system destroys it quickly but of course it's still going to show up in the PCR test due to the sensitivity of the test and what it detects. I'd like to know how ill he was first time around but that information doesn't appear to be available, not yet anyway. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oompie69 Posted August 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2020 3 hours ago, ukrules said: Yes, this is very interesting news and not for any of the reasons you're going to read about over the next week or two in the media. It's very encouraging and positive news when you read a little more and realise that he didn't know he had the virus, it was detected during a routine airport test on arrival. He wasn't ill at all and they would not have found this if it wasn't for the airport test. This is exactly what would happen if you have acquired immunity from a previous infection, your immune system destroys it quickly but of course it's still going to show up in the PCR test due to the sensitivity of the test and what it detects. I'd like to know how ill he was first time around but that information doesn't appear to be available, not yet anyway. Just as some unlucky individuals get re-infected with flu every new flu season. In those cases, it's also a new strain each year. Why is this news, other than to drive up the paranoia gauge? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 40 minutes ago, oompie69 said: Just as some unlucky individuals get re-infected with flu every new flu season. In those cases, it's also a new strain each year. Why is this news, other than to drive up the paranoia gauge? Well it's news because they want to hype it but it's also news for another reason. His reinfection was asymptomatic - that's what happens when you have immunity to a disease - you don't get ill, but if you're tested after a recent second exposure you will test positive for it as it is there. He was infected with one strain in April, recovered (we don't know how ill he was in April) now they merely by chance due to airport screening found it in him again but a different strain - this means it came from somewhere else compared to the first strain and for all the difference it's making - he might as well not have it - this guy is now immune to to strains. That's the way I see it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 the guy needs to be more careful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LomSak27 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Troubling News for the Herd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 BBC picked this up as has WHO. There seems no need to be over alarmed about this and was to be expected. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53889823 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: BBC picked this up as has WHO. There seems no need to be over alarmed about this and was to be expected. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53889823 They're going to hype this over the next week or so like it's a solid proof of no immunity but I'm pretty sure this guy is proof of immunity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted August 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, ukrules said: They're going to hype this over the next week or so like it's a solid proof of no immunity but I'm pretty sure this guy is proof of immunity. More studies needed of course but the positive is indeed that this guy was immune from developing symptoms on the second infection. A text book example of how immunity should work. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Who do you believe? Is this really the first reinfection? An earlier report on a chinese woman reinfected. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8618609/Chinas-Jingzhou-city-says-woman-tests-positive-coronavirus-recovering.html I currently work with an Arab who recovered from covid19 back in May. He's been off work again for the past 2 weeks after testing positive for the 2nd time. Both times flu like symptoms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedo1968 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Yes heard this report on BBC radio, very interesting. Whether or not the report is seen as "hype" is not the point, the point is, is that it - reinfection - has occurred. No one has mentioned this so far but what use will a vaccine be if it is suitable only for one strain ? In the 1940's a new disease of chickens ( a reovirus ) was found that affected various aspects of birds growth and caused massive financial losses to farmers. It reappeared in Saudi in the early 80's and caused significant losses. I visited England on request and found the condition there. It comes and goes as it pleases, there are vaccines that sometimes work. The only sure fire method of control at that time, only if the condition is recognised very early, was the use of high does of penicillin and streptomycin in the water. Originally the antibiotics were on ( in ! ) the market for hundreds of Saudi riyals. Legally of course they were controlled. A form of this medicine can now be found in some vet supply shops in Thailand and elsewhere. My point here in relation to Covid is, how useful will a vaccine be if there is a new strain of the virus, whatever the effects of the particular strain ? Vaccines can make one complacent. Nature has a way to survive by changing itself, a virus is ( whether natural or man made ) part of nature, if we are not careful or become complacent Covid will return again and again, not always in the same form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 6 hours ago, Speedo1968 said: how useful will a vaccine be if there is a new strain of the virus, whatever the effects of the particular strain He was completely asymptomatic so perhaps that's a hint as to what immunity a previous infection provides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vermin on arrival Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 hours ago, ukrules said: He was completely asymptomatic so perhaps that's a hint as to what immunity a previous infection provides. I agree it's great news, but this will be twisted the other way to make people completely afraid. Here is an interesting article by a Swedish Doctor from another thread on the situation in Sweden and his thoughts on the disease. It's very encouraging as it deals with the ifr and the issue of immunity: https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/04/how-bad-is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, vermin on arrival said: I agree it's great news, but this will be twisted the other way to make people completely afraid. Ultimately that doesn't matter how it's twisted by the media in the long run, nothing they say will alter the outcome. This is encouraging news both for the recovered of which there are a huge number of people and those who want a vaccine. Also I do expect some people to be reinfected with a bad outcome (death), it's almost inevitable that it will happen to at least a few. Edited August 25, 2020 by ukrules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Even if this is a genuine example of reinfection, which I doubt, then nobody ever said immunity is a 100% rule. Still, I dare say it gives scaremongers and hysterics something to think about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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