Pence to make economic pitch at RNC as Trump wades into Wisconsin protests

[ShindenGo]

First of all that was Obama’s economy that Trump tanked. All those manufacturing jobs should’ve left and stayed out of the US!  While China cranks our engineers scientists and doctors by thousands each year in Donald Trumps America he’s cranking out sub par engineers who are racists and sexists. With Joe Biden we need to better educate the workforce on passive sexism and covert racism. 

[riclag]

10 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

13 hours ago, Tug said:

Not much of a pence fan in fact not a fan at all but I do feel sorry for him as he has an impossible job working for a mentally ill ignorant tyrant

That is a bit like feeling sorry for Martin Bormann!

Sad, isn't it! To be tied to mental illness,ignorance,tyrannical and the nazi's .all in one thread! Ya all forgot about the 20k !

 

With all of that said.one of the best non warring and economics POTUS ever !

 

Edited August 27, 2020 by riclag

[Tie Dye Samurai]

6 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

So many liberal socialists on this tread.  “Come on, man,” what will you do if the 77-year old loses in November?  Or December? Or January?

About the same thing as you are going to do when the 74 year old loses in November...or December...or January when the Marines remove him from the white house 30 seconds after Biden takes the oath of office.

 

3 years age difference among men in their 70's is a really weak card to try and play...especially when the older man rides a mountain bike and the younger man rides a golf cart.

[opalred]

pence ? is that trumps hand puppet that pops up sometimes says/ yes master 

[MaxYakov]

On 8/28/2020 at 12:18 AM, Tie Dye Samurai said:

About the same thing as you are going to do when the 74 year old loses in November...or December...or January when the Marines remove him from the white house 30 seconds after Biden takes the oath of office.

 

3 years age difference among men in their 70's is a really weak card to try and play...especially when the older man rides a mountain bike and the younger man rides a golf cart.

Older man gets permission from the Secret Service to leave his basement to ride his bike while talking to himself.

Younger man flies Air force One to his rally(s) and speaks for 1 hour and 41 minutes to thousands (Tulsa, June 2020).

 

Helmut Norpoth's model predicts a landslide win for the younger man. So, ladies and gentlemen place your bets. (Norpoth's model has correctly predicted 25 of the previous 27 elections)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2020 by MaxYakov

[rcummings]

5 hours ago, MaxYakov said:

Older man gets permission from the Secret Service to leave his basement to ride his bike while talking to himself.

Younger man flies Air force One to his rally(s) and speaks for 1 hour and 41 minutes to thousands (Tulsa, June 2020).

 

Helmut Norpoth's model predicts a landslide win for the younger man. So, ladies and gentlemen place your bets. (Norpoth's model has correctly predicted 25 of the previous 27 elections)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How about younger man violates health and safety rules while older man sets an example.

 

And as for your "expert" predictor...he got right 5 out of 6 elections that he actually predicted.

Whereas Allan Lichtman has gotten 9 out of 9 right.

Professor Allan Lichtman, who has accurately predicted elections since 1984, says Biden will win

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/08/05/professor-allan-lichtman-predicts-joe-biden-beat-donald-trump/3304680001/

[MaxYakov]

3 hours ago, rcummings said:

How about younger man violates health and safety rules while older man sets an example.

 

And as for your "expert" predictor...he got right 5 out of 6 elections that he actually predicted.

Whereas Allan Lichtman has gotten 9 out of 9 right.

Professor Allan Lichtman, who has accurately predicted elections since 1984, says Biden will win

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/08/05/professor-allan-lichtman-predicts-joe-biden-beat-donald-trump/3304680001/

Those "health and safety rules" are both unconstitutional and unscientific (similar to the tyrannical long-term, economically-destructive state of emergency in another country that comes to mind). The multi-state, economically-destructive lockdowns in the USA were by the dictates of the state Governors and not Donald Trump. Where's your mask, BTW and have you been anti-social distancing? I've sure some of the Tulsa attendees may have died since June, but what did they die of? The virus and where did they contract it?

 

I don't have a dog [pardon the expression] in this fight, but for America's sake (AFAIC - and a lot of other people as well), its time Prof. Lichtman had have his first erroneous "guess". 

 

Ref. HERE for a WPR Lichtman article containing this:

 

"Allan Lichtman: Based upon my 13 keys to the White House, which gauge the strength and fulfillment of the party holding the White House, it takes six negative keys to predict their defeat. That would be Donald Trump and the Republicans. In late 2019, Trump only had four negative keys. 

 

But his failed response to many crises that have arisen in 2020 has resulted in the most sudden and dramatic reversal of fortune in the history of the U.S. In the matter of a few months, three more keys have turned against the incumbent Trump. With seven negative keys against him, Trump is a predicted loser in his bid for reelection in November."

 

What crises has he "failed response [sic]" to? Are you counting the craziness in many Democratic-run cities resulting in arson, looting and murder? I hope the American people will see where the real responsibilities of these crises lie.

 

It's still two months until the election. Are they trying to set up a self-fulfilling prophecy? The Democrats and MSM have been throwing everything but the kitchen sink (mainly lies and hoaxes) at Trump since even before he was legitimately elected. Still I'm just a remote and relatively objective observer [I believe] of this potential American political train wreck.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EoR

Edited August 29, 2020 by MaxYakov

[rcummings]

43 minutes ago, MaxYakov said:

Those "health and safety rules" are both unconstitutional and unscientific (similar to the tyrannical long-term, economically-destructive state of emergency in another country that comes to mind). The multi-state, economically-destructive lockdowns in the USA were by the dictates of the state Governors and not Donald Trump. Where's your mask, BTW and have you been anti-social distancing? I've sure some of the Tulsa attendees may have died since June, but what did they die of? The virus and where did they contract it?

 

I don't have a dog [pardon the expression] in this fight, but for America's sake (AFAIC - and a lot of other people as well), its time Prof. Lichtman had have his first erroneous "guess". 

 

Ref. HERE for a WPR Lichtman article containing this:

 

"Allan Lichtman: Based upon my 13 keys to the White House, which gauge the strength and fulfillment of the party holding the White House, it takes six negative keys to predict their defeat. That would be Donald Trump and the Republicans. In late 2019, Trump only had four negative keys. 

 

But his failed response to many crises that have arisen in 2020 has resulted in the most sudden and dramatic reversal of fortune in the history of the U.S. In the matter of a few months, three more keys have turned against the incumbent Trump. With seven negative keys against him, Trump is a predicted loser in his bid for reelection in November."

 

What crises has he "failed response [sic]" to? Are you counting the craziness in many Democratic-run cities resulting in arson, looting and murder? I hope the American people will see where the real responsibilities of these crises lie.

 

It's still two months until the election. Are they trying to set up a self-fulfilling prophecy? The Democrats and MSM have been throwing everything but the kitchen sink (mainly lies and hoaxes) at Trump since even before he was legitimately elected. Still I'm just a remote and relatively objective observer [I believe] of this potential American political train wreck.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EoR

So the guy with the better track recordis wrong? Double standard?

[Tie Dye Samurai]

On 8/28/2020 at 1:24 PM, MaxYakov said:

Older man gets permission from the Secret Service to leave his basement to ride his bike while talking to himself.

Younger man flies Air force One to his rally(s) and speaks for 1 hour and 41 minutes to thousands (Tulsa, June 2020).

 

Helmut Norpoth's model predicts a landslide win for the younger man. So, ladies and gentlemen place your bets. (Norpoth's model has correctly predicted 25 of the previous 27 elections)

your selling points are Trump had a covidfest that played to a half full coliseum where he spent 20 minutes of his speech convincing the crowd he could drink a glass of water with one hand and that he is not a gimp because he was walking down a ramp in his leather soled shoes....yeah that inspires confidence....

 

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Edited August 29, 2020 by Tie Dye Samurai

[MaxYakov]

2 hours ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

your selling points are Trump had a covidfest that played to a half full coliseum where he spent 20 minutes of his speech convincing the crowd he could drink a glass of water with one hand and that he is not a gimp because he was walking down a ramp in his leather soled shoes....yeah that inspires confidence....

 

 

I'm not "selling" anything. I'm an objective observer (or try to be) based on wide-ranging internet research. I was simply taking a ridiculous comparison and matching it with one of my own that may be closer to reality.  Jeesh!

 

There is a lot of obsessive-compulsive Anti-Trumpism that has been going on since even before his election. You seem to be exhibiting some of this yourself. So that's all you got out of his Tulsa rally is it? I personally don't watch much or many of his speeches/rallies and certainly can't attend any any even if I wanted to (I do not, especially since I can save a lot of time by watching the many Trump videos of all kinds on the internet).

 

He is what he is and I really (as I've stated many times) don't have a "dog in this fight". He is a very skilled speaker/presenter who has become targeted by the MSM and a whole bunch of irrational left-wingers, some even in high offices and even some Republicans who don't desire to have a loose cannon potentially interrupting their graft/corruption money, IMHO.

 

Does Biden "inspire confidence" with you? If so, what is it about him that does so?

 

 

Edited August 29, 2020 by MaxYakov

[rcummings]

21 hours ago, MaxYakov said:

Those "health and safety rules" are both unconstitutional and unscientific (similar to the tyrannical long-term, economically-destructive state of emergency in another country that comes to mind). The multi-state, economically-destructive lockdowns in the USA were by the dictates of the state Governors and not Donald Trump. Where's your mask, BTW and have you been anti-social distancing? I've sure some of the Tulsa attendees may have died since June, but what did they die of? The virus and where did they contract it?

 

I don't have a dog [pardon the expression] in this fight, but for America's sake (AFAIC - and a lot of other people as well), its time Prof. Lichtman had have his first erroneous "guess". 

 

Ref. HERE for a WPR Lichtman article containing this:

 

"Allan Lichtman: Based upon my 13 keys to the White House, which gauge the strength and fulfillment of the party holding the White House, it takes six negative keys to predict their defeat. That would be Donald Trump and the Republicans. In late 2019, Trump only had four negative keys. 

 

But his failed response to many crises that have arisen in 2020 has resulted in the most sudden and dramatic reversal of fortune in the history of the U.S. In the matter of a few months, three more keys have turned against the incumbent Trump. With seven negative keys against him, Trump is a predicted loser in his bid for reelection in November."

 

What crises has he "failed response [sic]" to? Are you counting the craziness in many Democratic-run cities resulting in arson, looting and murder? I hope the American people will see where the real responsibilities of these crises lie.

 

It's still two months until the election. Are they trying to set up a self-fulfilling prophecy? The Democrats and MSM have been throwing everything but the kitchen sink (mainly lies and hoaxes) at Trump since even before he was legitimately elected. Still I'm just a remote and relatively objective observer [I believe] of this potential American political train wreck.

Unconstitutional? Not even the Supreme Court endorses that point of view. It's well established law that in the midst of a genuine emergency the government can invoke extraordinary restrictions to protect the citizenry. 

 

And I have to admire your doublethink. The opinion of a professor you like counts as evidence. The opinion of one with a better track record, not so much. I particularly enjoyed your assertion that Norpoth correctly predicted 25 out of the 27 past elections. Do you understand that most of his "predictions" were about elections that already happened? Quite a feat that, predicting the past. 

 

As for claims to being more objective because you're allegedly not a US citizen, please. If your contention about your lack of US citizenship and consequent greater objectivity were valid, that would mean that all foreigners' opinions would be more objective. Have you taken a look at the international polls lately regarding how favorably, or, rather, unfavorably non-US citizens regard Trump? In other words, your contention about your objectivity is nonsense.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

7 hours ago, MaxYakov said:

I'm not "selling" anything. I'm an objective observer (or try to be) based on wide-ranging internet research. I was simply taking a ridiculous comparison and matching it with one of my own that may be closer to reality.  Jeesh!

 

There is a lot of obsessive-compulsive Anti-Trumpism that has been going on since even before his election. You seem to be exhibiting some of this yourself. So that's all you got out of his Tulsa rally is it? I personally don't watch much or many of his speeches/rallies and certainly can't attend any any even if I wanted to (I do not, especially since I can save a lot of time by watching the many Trump videos of all kinds on the internet).

 

He is what he is and I really (as I've stated many times) don't have a "dog in this fight". He is a very skilled speaker/presenter who has become targeted by the MSM and a whole bunch of irrational left-wingers, some even in high offices and even some Republicans who don't desire to have a loose cannon potentially interrupting their graft/corruption money, IMHO.

 

Does Biden "inspire confidence" with you? If so, what is it about him that does so?

 

 

Oh yeah you are so objective....saying Biden "needs permission to leave his basement while talking to himself riding a bike" and then you proceed to insult people that do not support Donald Trump...you are such the "objective observer". There was absolutely nothing ridiculous about my comparison. Biden rides a mountain bike for exercise, Trump rides around in a golf cart for his exercise. Why dont you try and be objective about that...

 

And what I got out of Trump's rally in Tulsa? POTUS is a self serving narcissist that willingly put thousands of his constituents and people that work for him in harms way during a pandemic that is out of control so he can have public adulation from his MAGA party. (which he continues to do by the way) People on his own staff contracted Corona virus as a direct result of that rally you seem to be in such awe of. 

 

I always get a kick out of posters that say "I am an objective observer" and then proceed to out themselves as flat out Trump supporters. Just own it because your words and opinions betray you....

 

[MaxYakov]

5 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Oh yeah you are so objective....saying Biden "needs permission to leave his basement while talking to himself riding a bike" and then you proceed to insult people that do not support Donald Trump...you are such the "objective observer". There was absolutely nothing ridiculous about my comparison. Biden rides a mountain bike for exercise, Trump rides around in a golf cart for his exercise. Why dont you try and be objective about that...

 

And what I got out of Trump's rally in Tulsa? POTUS is a self serving narcissist that willingly put thousands of his constituents and people that work for him in harms way during a pandemic that is out of control so he can have public adulation from his MAGA party. (which he continues to do by the way) People on his own staff contracted Corona virus as a direct result of that rally you seem to be in such awe of. 

 

I always get a kick out of posters that say "I am an objective observer" and then proceed to out themselves as flat out Trump supporters. Just own it because your words and opinions betray you....

 

I am not a Trump supporter. He is what he is. My comment was meant to be satirical, but I guess it went over your head, yes? Anyway, pursuit of this line of discussion (for want of a better word) is off-topic, IMHO. It's supposed to be about Pence's economic pitch at the RNC and Trump re/WI protests topic (stay on it). This is my final off-topic response on this this thread.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

2 minutes ago, MaxYakov said:

I am not a Trump supporter. He is what he is. My comment was meant to be satirical, but I guess it went over your head, yes? Anyway, pursuit of this line of discussion (for want of a better word) is off-topic, IMHO. It's supposed to be about Pence's economic pitch at the RNC and Trump re/WI protests topic (stay on it). This is my final off-topic response on this this thread.

agreed it has gotten off topic and I apologize for that...