9 minutes ago, Xaos said:

CDC is corrupted and should be audited. 

Yes, just like POTUS..oh wait, he is already being audited isnt he...

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Trump contradicts CDC director on vaccine, masks: 'He was confused'

I think we all know who the ‘confused’ one is here ......

7 hours ago, J Town said:

45 supporters aren't part of a cult of personality just because they deny the evidence of their eyes and ears and regard the obvious fabrications of their leader as facts and never express doubts or question beliefs from family and friends - oh wait, that's exactly a cult of personality.

 

When you believe ONE MAN above Science, above Intelligence agencies, above former CIA directors, retired generals and revered journalists - when you believe that one man above even your own eyes and ears - you are fully indoctrinated.

They dont believe him, nobody in their right mind could believe all that nonsense of just the past month in Trump's Fantasyland...MAGE Force chooses to follow him anyhow which is all the more disturbing...they value tribal ideology over facts, science and integrity.

34 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

Afraid not! I was in the house when the conference call was in progress!!

You'll see

7 hours ago, J Town said:

That's actually questionable. A great fear is that this crazy old man will continue on with his own agenda, his own "news" group, and the koolaid gang may continue brainwashed adulation.

I believe he will continue his agenda upon losing this election.  QAnon - Wikipedia His landing point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

6 hours ago, xylophone said:

The fact that trump is stupid is now very plain to see, although it's been clear enough for those who are not part of this cult, and this latest huge lie of his makes me wonder if he really is sane........

 

President Donald Trump denied Tuesday that he downplayed the threat of the coronavirus that has taken more than 195,000 lives in the United States, directly contradicting his own recorded words in which he admitted doing exactly that. And then he proceeded to downplay the pandemic even further.

It's out there for all to see that he was clearly downplaying the effect of the coronavirus early on in the piece, saying that it was just restricted to a few people and that it would go away by April, but now he's denying he even said that, when it's out there on record.

 

If you elect a clown, you get a circus, and that's what the majority of the poor suffering US folk are having to put up with. So sad.

I admire George Conway's ability to put into words why his insanity is only in his own head.

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fhuffpost%2Fgeorge-conway-inside-trumps-head-083632660.html&h=AT2wa7swSpikka7s0o32ymFKjREQpQqJY7vfzbuypMbZd5hBxXt9Zu8o-QMXArZsXz6KyXB9cokOvOBzmRRa-OWup7YsysKi51CdOMi2d76GJJG-wBsZ5O--PuBgwNQaH8n11Tg&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT3OmyYrbMUEYbzMtDqpRKfZYiHxV-HYwqncdXAEdsPW6qNJL9TkuizfA_jClqqK2ydhaqA9aOsdZcq43FdduJOgU7AWErSknaUgFSgd736xqIeev71hdbrfa9Jj6c2MoWcgPVn5wDE7s5oS0_3xHg

23 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I believe he will continue his agenda upon losing this election.  QAnon - Wikipedia His landing point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

Yep. He can take up residency with their paedophile leader, Jim Watkins, in the Phillipines.

6 hours ago, J Town said:

The five best ways to beat this thing:

 

1. Wash hands frequently

2. Wear a mask

3. Don't listen to 45

4. Avoid touching your face

4. Cough into your sleeve

Good list. Also take vitamin D. By the way the last two items on your list (numbers 4 and 4) are not social distancing ????

8 hours ago, stevenl said:

Sure Trump knows better, after all he is living in his own dreamworld.

He knows everything better than anybody... I just wish he would stay in his own little dreamworld, and leave the rest of the world out of it! They have special institutions for idiots like him!

In MY dreamworld, he would not even exist ????

1 minute ago, Paradise Pete said:

Good list. Also take vitamin D. By the way the last two items on your list (numbers 4 and 4) are not social distancing ????

Experts say that vitamin D has no value w.r.t. Covid. You get enough vitamin D from sunlight so no need for it in Thailand.

2 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

Its absolutely happening.  She is very high up so maybe its a need to know

 

One other thing is there is a massive problem in the nhs regarding staff infecting patients.

The Daily Mail are going to expose it soon.

Staff not social distancing, not following protocols, going to mass events

The nhs will start to be vilified.

100s if not 1000s of staff are being isolated 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Though your posts are Off Topic, I'll bet, if in fact you're claims are factual, your sister will not be happy for you to disclose info or is she acting as a whistle blower, if so, I'm sure MSN will be very interested to hear from her. However, insider info you claim to have access to, prior to publication has actually been published before, numbers vary, but the basics are the same, are you for real - don't think so.

 

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/20/300-nhs-care-workers-have-died-coronavirus-12731707/

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-52984819

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/hospital-patients-england-coronavirus-covid-19

Edited September 17, 20205 yr by simple1

43 minutes ago, Paradise Pete said:

Good list. Also take vitamin D. By the way the last two items on your list (numbers 4 and 4) are not social distancing ????

Yeah, I'm a musician. Can't count higher than 4.

8 minutes ago, J Town said:

Yeah, I'm a musician. 

You have my sympathy.

Forget what Trump may say, the manufactures are the ones who will set the release date for their vaccines.

Trump is carrying on like he is in control of all the vaccines being tested, most of the multi national pharmaceutical companies are not in the USA and will set their own marketing plans for their product across the world and will not consult Donald on how or why they should consult him for advice and guidance

30 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Though your posts are Off Topic, I'll bet, if in fact you're claims are factual, your sister will not be happy for you to disclose info or is she acting as a whistle blower, if so, I'm sure MSN will be very interested to hear from her. However, insider info you claim to have access to, prior to publication has actually been published before, numbers vary, but the basics are the same, are you for real - don't think so.

 

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/20/300-nhs-care-workers-have-died-coronavirus-12731707/

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-52984819

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/hospital-patients-england-coronavirus-covid-19

This is happening right now, not months ago! Also its to do with negligence from staff, and not following protocols. Completely different situation 

Edited September 17, 20205 yr by Canuck1966

27 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

This is happening right now, not months ago! Also its to do with negligence from staff, and not following protocols. Completely different situation 

 

 

Obviously, but NHS deaths, infections / cross infection in large numbers some months back.

 

Negligence issues already being discussed e.g.

 

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2516043520932463

Edited September 17, 20205 yr by simple1

7 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I think the public health officials who took that public posture early on were simply wrong.  Some have subsequently explained that they wanted to preserve the very short supplies of the most effective masks (N95 type) for frontline medical workers as opposed to the general public.

 

That rationale was my speculation at the time for why some health officials were giving that advice early on, when people here were claiming the reason was that masks really aren't effective against the CV, which simply isn't true, if the masks are worn properly and of suitable design and material. But still, that original advice helped undercut the effectiveness of efforts at persuading the public to wear and continue wearing masks.

 

But if you want one factor of judging how the U.S. federal government has criminally MIShandled the CV response, try finding and buying a legitimate authentic N95 mask today, months after the start of the pandemic. You can't. Not even hospitals and medical workers can obtain enough of them even now to meet their own needs, much less those of the general public. Gross failure and criminal mismanagement on the part of Trump's federal government.

CDC and masks

There is a correct way to wear a mask! Like you said!It also says ,

Don't touch the mask! I must confess I see many people, GOP ,dems and doctors come to podiums to talk ,many take off their masks only to put them back on.

The other mention by the CDC on their site, is don't wear a N95.

• Wear a mask that covers your nose and mouth to help protect others in case you’re infected with COVID-19 but don’t have symptoms!
• Don’t put the mask around your neck or up on your forehead
• Don’t touch the mask, and, if you do, wash your hands or use hand sanitizer to disinfect.

There are other bullet points as well! You mention criminal  negligent by the GOV,I think that's a stretch.especially knowing through out the years how the Gov has responded in other crisis(regardless of the death count) particularly non medical,which is the same,hurricanes,floods,conflicts in other lands imop !

Don't forget fauci said it was unprecedented! He also gave a shout out to Mr. Trump for listening to his advise early on,when he wasn't quite sure of the virus 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-to-wear-cloth-face-coverings.html

Edited September 17, 20205 yr by riclag

52 minutes ago, Paul Henry said:

Forget what Trump may say, the manufactures are the ones who will set the release date for their vaccines.

Trump is carrying on like he is in control of all the vaccines being tested, most of the multi national pharmaceutical companies are not in the USA and will set their own marketing plans for their product across the world and will not consult Donald on how or why they should consult him for advice and guidance

I would think just a  guess ,mind you, forget about the world let the experts and the cdc advise the USA ,especially seeing  that Mr. Trump doesn't have jurisdiction in other countries on the results and distribution  of the vaccine! I think the USA is all set on how to distribute it,correct me if I'm wrong

Edited September 17, 20205 yr by riclag

14 minutes ago, riclag said:

CDC and masks

There is a correct way to wear a mask! Like you said!It also says ,

Don't touch the mask! I must confess I see many people, GOP ,dems and doctors come to podiums to talk ,many take off their masks only to put them back on.

The other mention by the CDC on their site, is don't wear a N95.

• Wear a mask that covers your nose and mouth to help protect others in case you’re infected with COVID-19 but don’t have symptoms!
• Don’t put the mask around your neck or up on your forehead
• Don’t touch the mask, and, if you do, wash your hands or use hand sanitizer to disinfect.

There are other bullet points as well! You mention criminal  negligent by the GOV,I think that's a stretch.especially knowing through out the years how the Gov has responded in other crisis(regardless of the death count) particularly non medical,which is the same,hurricanes,floods,conflicts in other lands imop !

Don't forget fauci said it was unprecedented! He also gave a shout out to Mr. Trump for listening to his advise early on,when he wasn't quite sure of the virus 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-to-wear-cloth-face-coverings.html

Trump just held an indoor rally where most of his supporters didn't wear masks. Was this in accordance with Redfield or Fauci's advice?

13 minutes ago, riclag said:

I would think just a  guess ,mind you, forget about the world let the experts and the cdc advise the USA ,especially seeing  that Mr. Trump doesn't have jurisdiction in other countries on the results and distribution  of the vaccine! I think the USA is all set on how to distribute it,correct me if I'm wrong

'let the cdc advice'. But according to Trump the cdc is mistaken.

You really think the USA is all set on how to distribute? Looking at the handling so far I very much doubt it. But your trust is commendable.

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

Obviously, but NHS deaths, infections / cross infection in large numbers some months back.

 

Negligence issues already being discussed e.g.

 

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2516043520932463

You will see in the next few days.

New directives coming for all nhs staff. 

All staff will have to wear a mask for their whole shifts, including canteen etc.

The Mail have pictures of a group of doctors at a cricket game hugging and celebrating with each other!

Top bods at the nhs have held them off for now, but they are scouring social media on a daily basis collecting incriminating photos etc

Edited September 17, 20205 yr by Canuck1966

2 hours ago, riclag said:

Don't touch the mask! I must confess I see many people, GOP ,dems and doctors come to podiums to talk ,many take off their masks only to put them back on.

The other mention by the CDC on their site, is don't wear a N95.

 

1. The reason the CDC is telling the public not to wear N95 masks is clear on the CDC website you linked to:

 

Quote

Do NOT use a mask meant for a healthcare worker. Currently, surgical masks and N95 respirators are critical supplies that should be reserved for healthcare workers and other first responders.

 

2. When they talk about not touching the mask, that doesn't mean people can't put them on or take them off as required by circumstances. It means, when doing so, they shouldn't touch the front surface of the mask where you breath in/out. But it's perfectly fine to put on and take off the mask by touching and holding it via the straps.

 

Because 

https://www.brut.media/us/news/president-trump-says-he-s-a-genius-73cacfbf-7851-4a22-b27e-4ca82d2ebc9e

Troll post and replies removed.

 

8 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

You will see in the next few days.

New directives coming for all nhs staff. 

All staff will have to wear a mask for their whole shifts, including canteen etc.

The Mail have pictures of a group of doctors at a cricket game hugging and celebrating with each other!

Top bods at the nhs have held them off for now, but they are scouring social media on a daily basis collecting incriminating photos etc

If your info is accurate, again I ask whether your sister knows you're broadcasting confidential NHS info on social media?

Please stay on the topic which is the US CDC.   Comparisons are acceptable, but please don't drift too far afield. 

 

I am sure that Trump would agree that he knows more than doctors and especially the CDC. World leaders are amazed at his vast genius and superior knowledge on every subject, often asking for his opinion on which comic to read and which Fox News interviewer is a fox.

 

If only sarcasm worked on Americans.

Washington Post is reporting that the U.S. Postal Service, early on in the pandemic, was readying a plan to ship 5 masks to every household in the country, 650 million in all...  The plan never actually happened after it was killed by the White House for fear of creating "panic."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/09/17/usps-trump-coronavirus-amazon-foia/

 

Quote

At one point in April, USPS leaders drafted a news release announcing plans to distribute 650 million masks nationwide, enough to offer five face coverings to every American household. 

 

Quote

Before the news release was sent, however, the White House nixed the plan, according to senior administration officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share internal deliberations. 
...
“There was concern from some in the White House Domestic Policy Council and the office of the vice president that households receiving masks might create concern or panic,” one administration official said in response to the scrapped mask plan.

 

And, a new poll of Americans shows more than 3/4ths believe the U.S. government will approve a CV vaccine prior to its safety and effectiveness being fully understood...  And, the share of Americans who say they intend to get vaccinated has fallen 21 percentage points since May to only 51% now.

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/09/17/u-s-public-now-divided-over-whether-to-get-covid-19-vaccine/

 

Quote

 

About half of U.S. adults (51%) now say they would definitely or probably get a vaccine to prevent COVID-19 if it were available today; nearly as many (49%) say they definitely or probably would not get vaccinated at this time.

 

Intent to get a COVID-19 vaccine has fallen from 72% in May, a 21 percentage point drop.

 

 

Quote

 the Center survey finds three-quarters of Americans (77%) think it’s very or somewhat likely a COVID-19 vaccine will be approved in the United States before its safety and effectiveness are fully understood. 

 

U.S. rapidly closing in on the 200,000 dead from CV mark, and back over the 1,000 dead per day mark, according to the CDC:

 

 

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/

 

Interesting to look at the US states map above, which shows the per capita CV deaths rate by state/area, with the darker colors indicating higher death rates... The U.S. average is 59 CV deaths per 100,000 population.

 

Highest per capita death rate states/areas:

New York City -- 282

New Jersey -- 180

Massachusetts -- 133

Connecticut -- 125

Louisiana -- 113

Rhode Island -- 102

Mississippi -- 93

District of Col. -- 87

New York (excluding NYC) -- 80

Arizona -- 74

 

Kind of curious -- lately, at least in the news I read, I don't see many news articles anymore about the many people dying of CV, I mean, their personal stories re their lives, families, circumstances.... There seemed to be more of that in the early going, especially coming out of NY City....  But maybe once you get to 200,000 dead, the editors and reporters think there isn't much new that can be told anymore.

 

But I did come across this in the news the other day: Major League Baseball pitching great Tom Seaver dead from CV complications (along with other health problems):

 

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200903/baseball-great-seaver-dies-of-covid-complications

 

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Baseball Great Seaver Dies of COVID Complications

September 4, 2020 -- Tom Seaver, a Hall of Fame pitcher who helped the New York Mets win their first World Series championship, died Monday from complications of COVID-19 and Lewy body dementia. He was 75.