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8 minutes ago, timodinero said:

It doesn't. It's Chinese company, we just looking for teachers who close to BJ time zone. 

Do you at least cover the bail money and lawyer fees should they be arrested for working illegally?

 

The time in prison is also paid at the rate of $18-24 per hour, or do you stop payments at the time of arrest?  

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Just now, JeffersLos said:

Do you at least cover the bail money and lawyer fees should they be arrested for working illegally?

 

The time in prison is also paid at the rate of $18-24 per hour, or do you stop payments at the time of arrest?  

You're working for Chinese company from your LAPTOP in the comfort of your home.

How does it exactly breaking thai law?

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3 minutes ago, JeffersLos said:

Do you at least cover the bail money and lawyer fees should they be arrested for working illegally?

 

The time in prison is also paid at the rate of $18-24 per hour, or do you stop payments at the time of arrest?  

it's the same as you were writing articles on Fiverr as a freelancer.

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7 minutes ago, timodinero said:

How does it exactly breaking thai law?

http://thailaws.com/law/t_laws/tlaw0366.pdf

 

Section 9.

 

And no, Section 7 doesn't list:

 

8 minutes ago, timodinero said:

You're working for Chinese company from your LAPTOP in the comfort of your home.

As an exception. 

 

 

Section 51 lists the punishments. 

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1 minute ago, JeffersLos said:

Section 11 is about companies outside Thailand hiring aliens inside Thailand to work for them.

 

It is legally your job to submit the permit applications and pay the fees on behalf of the alien. 

it doesn't fall under it, because it's not necessarily for you to locate in Thailand. If you going to be in Vietnam, Myanmar or Madagascar you still welcome to join.

So yes, i see the legal side of your concern, however, logically, i don't quite understand it.
First of all, how you expect yourself to get caught while doing the job? So to speak, I'm doing it for 5 years while i'm in Thailand, and i'm 25, I'm on tourist visa and do visa runs every 3. Are you just plain paranoid or you just looking for legal way to stay in Thailand longer?

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1 minute ago, timodinero said:

First of all, how you expect yourself to get caught while doing the job?

So you're looking to illegally employ illegal workers

 

1 minute ago, timodinero said:

I'm doing it for 5 years while i'm in Thailand

While working illegally for half a decade.

 

4 minutes ago, timodinero said:

I'm on tourist visa

One that clearly states: Employment Prohibited?

 

Tourist-visa-for-Thailand.jpg

 

While not only being employed, and working while in Thailand, but also proactively attempting to hire other would-be illegal workers that are in Thailand.

 

Wow. 

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On 9/30/2020 at 12:25 PM, JeffersLos said:

 

 

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While not only being employed, and working while in Thailand, but also proactively attempting to hire other would-be illegal workers that are in Thailand.

 

Wow. 

 

This guy below has been working illegally in Thailand selling memberships and Youtube even though he's on retirement visa for many years. Why is he not caught?

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/retirecheapjc

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They are just trolling you.

No online teacher or any other online worker has ever been arrested in Thailand.

Employment Prohibited means that you cannot take an actual job in Thailand or solicit Thai clients while in Thailand on a Tourist or other non-business visa.

The only people who care if you do online work for foreign clients are retired expats and English teachers on work permits who are personally offended that they are paid too little to live on while those with valuable skills can make so much more.

"ONLY North-American teachers (USA/Canada)"

This means that you will be wasting your time applying if you are not caucasian.

BTW, any American or Canadian citizen with the stated qualifications should insist on being paid an absolute minimum of $24 per hour, including any ancillary work the company insists upon. The basic work is worth about $15 per hour, your nationality is worth an extra $5, and your degree and other qualifications another $5. Never agree to do any unpaid work or a "trial period" at a lower rate.

Confirm your rate directly with the employer before you do any work. Never trust an agent. You never truly know what you are being paid until you get your first payment.

If dealing with Chinese employers, insist they keep a running tally of what they owe you at any given time, and don't let more than a week pass without getting paid in full.


 

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8 hours ago, donnacha said:

They are just trolling you.

No online teacher or any other online worker has ever been arrested in Thailand.

Employment Prohibited means that you cannot take an actual job in Thailand or solicit Thai clients while in Thailand on a Tourist or other non-business visa.

The only people who care if you do online work for foreign clients are retired expats and English teachers on work permits who are personally offended that they are paid too little to live on while those with valuable skills can make so much more.

"ONLY North-American teachers (USA/Canada)"

This means that you will be wasting your time applying if you are not caucasian.

BTW, any American or Canadian citizen with the stated qualifications should insist on being paid an absolute minimum of $24 per hour, including any ancillary work the company insists upon. The basic work is worth about $15 per hour, your nationality is worth an extra $5, and your degree and other qualifications another $5. Never agree to do any unpaid work or a "trial period" at a lower rate.

Confirm your rate directly with the employer before you do any work. Never trust an agent. You never truly know what you are being paid until you get your first payment.

If dealing with Chinese employers, insist they keep a running tally of what they owe you at any given time, and don't let more than a week pass without getting paid in full.


 

Didn't see the point of trolling me here, but I guess that's what they do.

For the rest, you absolutely right.

Good thing about this company is they update your rate for the class as soon as it starts on the website but it's always good to keep tabs.

Last year they been paying up to 30$, but apparently because of corona rates got cut, affected even long time workers like myself.

About hiring just caucasians, when it been any different with chinese companies :)

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On 10/3/2020 at 1:06 AM, donnacha said:

Employment Prohibited means that you cannot take an actual job in Thailand or solicit Thai clients while in Thailand on a Tourist or other non-business visa.

The only people who care if you do online work for foreign clients are retired expats and English teachers on work permits who are personally offended that they are paid too little to live on while those with valuable skills can make so much more.

So any home-based worker employed by a business in the west (which since covid-19 there are many millions) can live and work legally in Thailand on tourist visas?

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8 hours ago, Promula said:

So any home-based worker employed by a business in the west (which since covid-19 there are many millions) can live and work legally in Thailand on tourist visas?


There is no Thai law that expressly allows or forbids remote working. It simply does not exist in Thai law.

The laws that the bitter guys bring up in every thread about working apply only to the classes of work mentioned in those laws.

No one has ever been prosecuted for remote working in Thailand and there is no practical way that any country could enforce such a law.

 

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8 minutes ago, donnacha said:


There is no Thai law that expressly allows or forbids remote working. It simply does not exist in Thai law.

The laws that the bitter guys bring up in every thread about working apply only to the classes of work mentioned in those laws.

No one has ever been prosecuted for remote working in Thailand and there is no practical way that any country could enforce such a law.

 

Well put, the cheap-nylon shirt TEFL brigade, plus the dwindling pension gang, love to troll out these 'laws' regularly, 

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On 10/3/2020 at 1:06 AM, donnacha said:



No online teacher or any other online worker has ever been arrested in Thailand.

Employment Prohibited means that you cannot take an actual job in Thailand or solicit Thai clients while in Thailand on a Tourist or other non-business visa.

The only people who care if you do online work for foreign clients are retired expats and English teachers on work permits who are personally offended that they are paid too little to live on while those with valuable skills can make so much more.


 

This simply sounds like you're deluding yourself with an interpretation of Thai law which suits your choices, and then trying to feel smug about it by deeming anyone who disagrees as being "bitter". These are common psychological occurrences in those looking to reassure and comfort themselves.

 

Perhaps you should stop to consider that those who disagree with you perhaps are older and wiser than you or much more wealthy than you hence have no need to work anywhere, and they simply enjoy a good discussion or troll about those who think they're so clever when they may be nothing more than illegal immigrants.

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7 hours ago, donnacha said:

No one has ever been prosecuted for remote working in Thailand and there is no practical way that any country could enforce such a law.

 

Yeah if you say so lol. Presumably you think you don't need to pay taxes too, and such things are beneath smug you. 

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/794216-17-foreign-‘english-teachers’-arrested-in-chiang-mai-for-working-illegally/

 

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1 hour ago, Promula said:

Yeah if you say so lol. Presumably you think you don't need to pay taxes too, and such things are beneath smug you. 

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/794216-17-foreign-‘english-teachers’-arrested-in-chiang-mai-for-working-illegally/

 


17 people working for an office in Thailand. What has that got to do with remote working? Your example fits into the category of "actual job".

Why are you so upset about this? You asked the guy a question, he gave you accurate information. Your reaction seems unhinged. If, as you say, you are just trolling, it is more effective if you can make yourself look sane and the other guy insane.

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17 minutes ago, Poet said:


17 people working for an office in Thailand. What has that got to do with remote working? Your example fits into the category of "actual job".

Why are you so upset about this? You asked the guy a question, he gave you accurate information. Your reaction seems unhinged. If, as you say, you are just trolling, it is more effective if you can make yourself look sane and the other guy insane.

It's very odd to deem someone as being "upset" and "unhinged" for debating a grey area and putting forward an argument based on what they've heard and read. Coming to such a conclusion suggests that it's you and not me that's emotionally involved in this topic.  

 

They were remote working for customers in China. The fact that one of them found the Chinese students, collected their payments, and took a cut before passing it on to the remote workers changes nothing.

 

Your argument appears to be that because the money was channelled through one of them rather than moving directly from each Chinese student to each teacher, this made their time spent labouring and earning money become illegal. Is that what you're saying?

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56 minutes ago, Poet said:


"actual job".
 

So you're saying that people who are self-employed and work online aren't employed by themselves and don't have an "actual job" so they can ignore the "employment prohibited" wording on their tourist visa which they used to enter the country under the guise that they would spend their time in the country purely for tourism purposes?

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my son is 100 % thai and has canadian citizenship. he speaks perfect english with zero accent. speaks very little thai now.

 

you could totally hire him and get around any legalities.  

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Can you PM details, when you say OUR materials and OUR platform ?

 

Do you make exceptions to the (sorry to be blunt *stupid* rule about white faces), some Chinese out there must understand that hiring polyglots is better than people who don't even know the grammar of their own native language ? Btw, I am Belgo-Thai and Asian looking.

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