Pattaya: Totally useless pipes cause delay to Walking Street cable burying

 

Image: STV Pattaya

 

A delegation of operators in Walking Street who went to see the mayor were told why the burying of the unsightly cables on the famed red light street was taking so long. 

 

Mayor Sontaya Khunpluem said that the problems concern pipes laid by the Ministry of Science and Technology 20 years ago. 

 

Pipes that he admitted were totally pointless. 

 

The electrical authorities were going to use these to bury the cables meaning that the road would not have to be dug up. 

 

But this had created a legal mess as City Hall were the owners of the pipes and the electrical authorities would have had to pay compensation to use them. 

 

It now looks as though the pipes will be taken out and the wires buried as per the original plan meaning digging up the street. Work is expected to proceed in November.

 

Walking Street association chief Naris Petcharat was also updated on plans for the beautification of the street including its footpaths and a promised "beautiful roof frame". Exactly what form this would take was unclear from the Sophon report. 

 

A beachside walk is also in the offing as well as landscaping of the South Pattaya area including the Bali Hai port area where recent reports suggested that multi million baht work some years ago had been a monumental waste of money.

 

Sontaya said there were still plans and studies to be completed before he could be more specific.

 

Source: STV Pattaya

 

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This is reason in Europe dont know if reason here!

You mean they will dig up the streets when there are pipes already there because there is a 'legal' issue?  ***********!

19 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

The electrical authorities were going to use these to bury the cables meaning that the road would not have to be dug up. 

 

But this had created a legal mess as City Hall were the owners of the pipes and the electrical authorities would have had to pay compensation to use them. 

 

Paying compensation to use them on one hand, and saving the cost of digging up the road on the other hand, only creates a legal mess in a banana republic.

 

21 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

It now looks as though the pipes will be taken out and the wires buried as per the original plan meaning digging up the street.

And then we gonna have a legal mess about how they gonna compensate city hall for removing the pipes they own.

 

22 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

Work is expected to proceed in November.

In your dreams

Too many Chief's and not enough Indians.     Time to set up several 'Committee's' and 'Panels' to 'Probe' this matter !

It is all part of thainess , relax and enjoy the show .

Troll post from the usual suspect removed, also a reply

So in future instead of saying something is a shambles, chaos, muddle or confusion we can just say it's been pattaya'd ????

2 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Mayor Sontaya Khunpluem said that the problems concern pipes laid by the Ministry of Science and Technology 20 years ago.

Eh .! Does that mean the dept of drains and pipes oversee's the sciencey stuff .. 

Edited October 17, 20205 yr by Justgrazing
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1 hour ago, Average man said:

It is all part of thainess , relax and enjoy the show .

That's a good point.

 

I can see the solitary figure employed by City Hall to do the forward planning must have been off sick on the day they started the work.

Some of the other staff perhaps tried, but released that google when asked to translate Engrish>Thai for 'forward planning' kept showing a 'page not found' error.

Pipes have been laid in Pattaya North, Pattaya Klang for some years now and yet not a single wire has gone underground yet! In the last 21 years that I have lived here I have always seen new wires go up but never seen old redundant wires come down. 

Pipes aren't "totally useless": think of the brown envelopes that must have flowed around that original project.

"City Hall were the owners of the pipes" okay. And now city hall wants wires buried, but have to charge utilities to use pipes, so better to dig up the street for the umpteenth time?

Oh, my head is wobbling. Covid? nah. City hall machinations again.

When the proposal to use the old useless pipes was first reported here, extensive analysis by our TVF Cable Burying Engineers concluded conclusively that from a purely technical perspective it cannot and would not be done. One reason of many is that those old pipes aren't suitable for the purpose. Besides, they're full already.

 

And here we have the additional problem arising the deep respect for private property ownership that imbues Thai society from the top down. Paying those pipe owners for their old pipes ain't putting the money needed to its best use, when we could just buy new pipes as specified by TVF Cable Burying Engineers. No rats, no leakage, no sewage, beginning and end points, roomy, easily serviced--more profitable.

 

Now after all the city owns the land around the pipes. Really the city should condemn the pipes and insist the owners remove them or else charge a removal fee.???? I love our schemes.

 

Obviously, City Hall is merely trying to save face here and find an excuse to increase the budget.

Edited October 17, 20205 yr by BigStar

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Pipes that he admitted were totally pointless

that's impossible! installing wrong pipes makes sense.. so it can removed and be re-installed again and again and again and again and................................

Edited October 17, 20205 yr by pattayadude

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

the Bali Hai port area where recent reports suggested that multi million baht work some years ago had been a monumental waste of money

money wasn't wasted..it just went to the wrong pockets..and lots of it!

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

But this had created a legal mess as City Hall were the owners of the pipes and the electrical authorities would have had to pay compensation to use them. 

And why can't City Hall just declare the pipes to be abandoned property and let the Electrical Authority use them without digging up the road? 

a) They like digging up the road, any reason will do

b) There is a Road Digging Company connected with City Hall

c) The Mayor and the Electrical Chief have been fighting since kindergarten

What a circus.
Those old pipes (originally labelled as "ancient" when they first "discovered" them) were the pipes draining the water from Walking Street.

It hadn't rained for a few weeks when the city started to dig up WS and suddenly found those pipes. What a surprise, they weren't full of water (as it hadn't rained for ages) so they decided the pipes were "useless".

We had the same thing happen in Kandahar when some additional American units arrived. They started setting up on the other side of a dry wadi (riverbed) and a couple weeks later came to the conclusion that the wadi was useless as there was no water in it, so they filled it in and built on top of it.

Which was great - until it rained and all the water that used to drain away in the wadi started flooding the camp as it had no where else to go. Brilliant. (They ended up actually building a new "wadi" to drain all the water from the camp.) 

Meanwhile in Pattaya, the city didn't have a clue where those old pipes came from or what they were for !! I mean seriously ? The CITY installed them 20 years ago and what, just forgot about it ? Don't they have something like an Engineering department or "Plans and Permits" who keeps track of what is being done (or was done) in the city ?

For Freddies Sake ! How the **** does the Ministry of Science and Technology end up owning those pipes and what is the BS about "compensation" ? If those really were "ancient, useless" pipes then dig them up, charge that Ministry for the work and then lay your new pipes.

This project should have been done and dusted within a month of them first starting to dig. Now it sounds like they'll still be at it a year from now.

Logically the pipes should be there for something, dont know what pipes (iron concrete plastic).

It would be wise to determine what was/is the use. Otherwise you could have an old problem back again.

A problem like KerryD described. But ok im not an engineer of expert.

But the ones who are involved arent that clever, if i might say so.

1 hour ago, Kerryd said:

Those old pipes (originally labelled as "ancient" when they first "discovered" them) were the pipes draining the water from Walking Street.

If they are "ancient" maybe they could become a tourist attraction.  They could be promoted as ancient Thai aqueducts.  ????

 

 

4 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

So in future instead of saying something is a shambles, chaos, muddle or confusion we can just say it's been pattaya'd ????

Thai logic    ????

7 hours ago, rooster59 said:

But this had created a legal mess as City Hall were the owners of the pipes and the electrical authorities would have had to pay compensation to use them.

Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't this all be sorted out in the planning stage....

 

4 hours ago, JusticeGB said:

Pipes have been laid in Pattaya North, Pattaya Klang for some years now and yet not a single wire has gone underground yet! In the last 21 years that I have lived here I have always seen new wires go up but never seen old redundant wires come down. 

The only thing that seems to come down in Pattaya are under-garmets.

7 hours ago, trainman34014 said:

Too many Chief's and not enough Indians.     Time to set up several 'Committee's' and 'Panels' to 'Probe' this matter !

And a careful eye on the time. Better call Prawit

They don't understand how to use pipes because for decades all they have done is hang stuff from poles, just look at the waste of time, effort and money with the beach road drainage pipes, not fit for purpose.

20 hours ago, BobBKK said:

You mean they will dig up the streets when there are pipes already there because there is a 'legal' issue?  ***********!

I thought you knew enough about Thailand to know what the real reason for projects in Pattaya is. Hint- it's not about making things better.

Looking at every project in Pattaya done by the council ( as opposed to private enterprise ), I doubt anyone can point to a success that happened on time and within budget. Far as I can tell, most collapse or don't work anyway.

Have another meeting ,,,,that'll fix it 

The "beautiful roof frame" proposed by the City Council in the OP should be like the Fremont Street Experience in Las Vegas  ... when things get completely back to normal.

On 10/17/2020 at 2:05 PM, JusticeGB said:

Pipes have been laid in Pattaya North, Pattaya Klang for some years now and yet not a single wire has gone underground yet! In the last 21 years that I have lived here I have always seen new wires go up but never seen old redundant wires come down. 

there's time for this to happen.......i been doing lottery for years .......one time.....one time i JUST MIGHT WINN.....abit like burying wires I suppose !!!!

If contractors could use their money for good material and good workmanship instead of bribes this would not be a problem

On 10/17/2020 at 2:05 PM, JusticeGB said:

Pipes have been laid in Pattaya North, Pattaya Klang for some years now and yet not a single wire has gone underground yet! In the last 21 years that I have lived here I have always seen new wires go up but never seen old redundant wires come down. 

Come for a wander down Sukhumvit South of Pattaya Tai. Wires getting removed by the truckload. Even the ones that used to go through the roof space of the police box on the corner of Thepprasit.  They also demolished some on Huay Yai Rd recently, my bloody internet out for 2 days as Somchai got carried away.

 

Cheers