Popular Post snoop1130 Posted November 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2020 'I waited all my life': Elderly indigenous people struggle for Thai citizenship By Rina Chandran Ethnic Akha women, once regarded as stateless, holding their Thai citizenship identity cards in Chiang Rai province in northern Thailand. August 31, 2020. Thomson Reuters Foundation/Rina Chandran KIEW SA-TAI, Thailand (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - At 93 years, Chungyung Bekaku did not think she would get her Thai citizenship after having lived all her life in the hills of northern Thailand among other ethnic Akha people who are largely regarded as stateless by the government. Yet Chungyung, who sells handicrafts at a roadside market, secured her Thai citizenship last year after a non-profit group helped her do the paperwork that tens of thousands of other elderly indigenous people in the country struggle to do. "There were many forms to fill, many steps to prove I was born here and have lived here for a long time - I didn't think I would be successful," she said, showing her blue Thai ID card. "I feel very lucky to have got my ID because I also get a monthly government pension, and that makes me feel more secure, especially now when there are so few tourists," she said, pointing to a pile of unsold embroidered bags and wristbands. There were about 480,000 people registered as stateless by the Thai government as of June this year. Most are indigenous people living in mountainous border areas, with about 77,000 estimated to be elderly indigenous people. Thailand has, in recent years, eased its laws to make it easier for stateless people to get citizenship, and to allow access to education, healthcare and birth registration. Yet the laws largely ignore indigenous people, according to human rights agencies, especially elders who often lack documents such as birth certificates and house deeds. "The Thai government has been quite proactive in giving rights to the stateless, but for older indigenous people it is still very hard," said Tuenjai Deetes, 68, a former senator and founder of the Hill Area Development Foundation, a non-profit. "Nationality should not be an obstruction to a better life or better opportunities. We need an easier, shorter process for those who are eligible, so they can have equal rights as citizens," she told the Thomson Reuters Foundation. BORN STATELESS More than 15 million people worldwide are without a nationality, and a child is born stateless every 10 minutes, according to the Netherlands-based Institute on Statelessness and Inclusion (ISI). Statelessness is often caused by discrimination on grounds of race, ethnicity, gender, disability and socio-economic status. It is also common where borders are re-drawn. Yet the stateless are among the most under reported populations, according to the United Nations' refugee agency (UNHCR). The nearly half a million stateless people in Thailand, the 700,000 Rohingya who fled Myanmar, and the nearly 2 million people who were left off a citizenship registry in India's Assam state make up some of the largest stateless populations in the world, according to ISI. In Thailand they include the children of migrant workers who were born in the country, and the nine indigenous hill tribes such as the Akha, Karen, Hmong, Lahu and Lisu who are believed to have migrated from China, Laos and Myanmar centuries ago. Their status means they have limited work options, they are barred from voting, travelling outside their province, and from buying land. They cannot receive welfare benefits. "Systemic discrimination" and a failure to register minority ethnic groups in census surveys until the 1960s, are partly responsible for widespread statelessness in Thailand's north, said Janepicha Cheva-Isarakul, a lecturer at the Victoria University of Wellington who has studied the issue. "The state's own bureaucratic practice and insistence on legal documents ignores the lived experience of stateless persons who are left to find a solution for the situation without acknowledging how they end up there," she said. Statelessness cannot be solved by expecting people to produce documents they simply do not have, she said. A Thai official acknowledged that there were "practical problems" such as the lack of documentation, but said applicants could also use DNA tests and reliable witnesses as evidence. "We have changed the process many times," said Phitasuang Chanchaichat, director of the Non-Thai Civil Registration and ID Card Division. "But the big problem is the shortage of staff," he said, adding that in some districts there were "tens of thousands" of people lining up to apply, but only one district chief. STRONG MOMENTUM More than 100,000 registered stateless people in Thailand have received nationality since 2008, and the Southeast Asian nation has endorsed UNHCR's global campaign to end statelessness by 2024. The government last year revised its guidelines to provide a pathway to Thai nationality for more than 60,000 stateless students in the country. It has also reduced the burden of proof required for the stateless elderly. The reforms to Thailand's nationality and civil registration laws, and the adoption of a "progressive nationality strategy" make the country a regional leader in reducing statelessness, said Jennifer Harrison, a spokeswoman at the UNHCR in Bangkok. "Ending statelessness is achievable. There is strong momentum and Thailand has demonstrated strong commitment." Last month, a committee in the northern city of Chiang Rai met with 23 indigenous elders and approved their nationality applications under the newly revised guidelines. Two elders had died while waiting to meet the committee. "It is still a long and laborious process for the elderly who may be illiterate, don't speak the language and don't know how to navigate the process," said Tuenjai, who has worked among the hill tribes since the 1970s. "Even their children sometimes think: they are already old, what is the point? But every individual has the right to citizenship, and the freedom and dignity that it brings," she said. In Had Bay village on the Thai-Laos border, Tuenjai and her team met with elderly indigenous stateless people in the temple to go over their documents, after offering Buddhist prayers. Sook Tummarong, 85, has no proof of her birth in Thailand, nor does she have two witnesses who can attest to the fact. "I am already old. I have waited all my life, but I do not know if I will ever get Thai citizenship," she said. -- © Copyright Reuters 2020-11-02 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgrazing Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 they can keep their hats on for the I D card mugshot .. cool or what .. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Justgrazing said: they can keep their hats on for the I D card mugshot .. cool or what .. Did Tom Jones keep his hat on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bdenner Posted November 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2020 Well done those people! OK, I have only lived here in married bliss for 20 years. Only took me a few months in 2001 to get TW Permanant residency to Australia. Look at me now! We decided it was to both our advantage I live here as a base. Still jumping through hoops with all the capital I have invested into our life style! Ya gotta wunda at the mentality in the leadership??? Now and in the past. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Justgrazing Posted November 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2020 16 minutes ago, bluesofa said: Did Tom Jones keep his hat on? It's not unusual if he did .. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 What's so difficult about this? If they were born here and can speak Thai, they should be citizens automatically. Bureaucracies exist to make life difficult, start firing the obstructionists, and hiring facilitators. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle_tom Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I got an insight into this around a decade ago - people and their families, originally from Cambodia, who had fled from Pol Pot and settled in Thailand, living and raising families entirely below the radar - no ID cards, no further education, no recognised citizenship. They appeared to be tolerated as a source of cheap agricultural labour. Without documentation they were effectively trapped - It seemed a very bad state of affairs.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Lacessit said: and can speak Thai Many of those older people can't speak Thai. 2 hours ago, Lacessit said: What's so difficult about this? I think the biggest problem is that many of those people have zero experience with bureaucracy and can't read, thus they rely on other people to handle it for them. Then there are of course government officials who demand a payoff to do their work. If they have lived their whole life in Thailand, have somebody who handles the bureaucracy and have some money to make the official do their job, then it's probably not really too difficult. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 8 hours ago, jackdd said: Many of those older people can't speak Thai. I think the biggest problem is that many of those people have zero experience with bureaucracy and can't read, thus they rely on other people to handle it for them. Then there are of course government officials who demand a payoff to do their work. If they have lived their whole life in Thailand, have somebody who handles the bureaucracy and have some money to make the official do their job, then it's probably not really too difficult. You may be right. Having said that, in the Issan region some Thai citizens don't speak Thai either, they speak Lao. I mean, it's not as if these people are Caucasian interlopers like us. They are Asian, plenty of Thais are mixed Asian stock. Just ask Thaksin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ourmanflint Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) never mind.. Edited November 2, 2020 by ourmanflint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterwhisper Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 16 hours ago, snoop1130 said: nine indigenous hill tribes such as the Akha, Karen, Hmong, Lahu and Lisu who are believed to have migrated from China, Laos and Myanmar centuries ago. The travesty in this is that these hilltribe people have lived in Siam/Thailand longer than the vast, vast majority of our Thai-Chinese legislators and bureaucrats whose ancestors migrated from China a mere two generations ago. And still, THEY are fully fledged citizens... yet make it near impossible for other people who have lived her of generations to attain the same privilege. If Thai governments of the past had handled naturalization with the same tough yardstick as the current bunch does, none of these descendants of Chinese immigrants would be here, let alone hold high government positions (for which Thai citizenship is a requirement). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 30 minutes ago, Misterwhisper said: The travesty in this is that these hilltribe people have lived in Siam/Thailand longer than the vast, vast majority of our Thai-Chinese legislators and bureaucrats whose ancestors migrated from China a mere two generations ago. And still, THEY are fully fledged citizens... yet make it near impossible for other people who have lived her of generations to attain the same privilege. If Thai governments of the past had handled naturalization with the same tough yardstick as the current bunch does, none of these descendants of Chinese immigrants would be here, let alone hold high government positions (for which Thai citizenship is a requirement). Dont forget Indian people migrating to Thailand seems like they never had a problem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 17 hours ago, snoop1130 said: Sook Tummarong, 85, has no proof of her birth in Thailand, nor does she have two witnesses who can attest to the fact. I'm guessing the witnesses have to be the parents????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post khunPer Posted November 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2020 I'm always happy to see when some of those stateless folks are granted citizenship – most of them deserves it – especially younger ones that might get a chance for education and a future. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freigeist365 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Glimmer of hope ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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