Death of billionaires in Koh Tao: Couple changed hotels, CCTV around pool not working, say police

[rwill]

How about checking CCTV cameras where the son said he was taking a walk?

[Moonlover]

52 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

Essentially it’s one of three options:

 

1. Some sort of accident, like an electrical current

2. Double suicide

3a. Someone murdered them

3b. One murdered the other and then committed suicide afterwards

Or we could go for a solution that makes sense. They are in the pool together with no one in attendance. She strays into deeper water and not being a strong swimmer (or maybe not at all) gets into difficulty.

 

He goes to help her but he is not trained in water rescue and also gets into difficulties. (Attempting a rescue even with training can be hazardous) After a struggle he manages to pull her to the steps (although she maybe unconscious by now) and climbs out. But he is exhausted and, as pointed has health issues, he collapses and dies on the poolside.

 

Drowning victims don't always die instantly by the way. They can take water into their lungs which causes breathing difficulties resulting in unconsciousness and death a short while after they have, apparently been saved.

 

Nothing suspicious here. Just another tragic accident. 

[ThaiFelix]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

CCTV at the pool was not working

Gomer Pyle had a perfect line for that:

 

"SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE"!

[Almer]

2 hours ago, Old Croc said:

It's been stated the pool area had been closed down for some time because of covid, and therefore the CCTV was not working due to a lack of maintenance. Sounds plausible to me.

The closure would also explain the lack of poolside staff. 

 

The couple had been drinking and had health issues.

I have an open mind on the cause of death at this stage.

You are already in front of the bib, they would have thrown the bottles away and not  considered  they could be part of the investigation, who got the male  out of the water or perhaps he got himself out, why didn't the son get his mother out of the pool when he found them, a bob for Sherlock and Watson.

 

ah i see the beer bottles have been considered.

Edited June 7, 2021 by Almer
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[JulesMad]

4 hours ago, ezzra said:

Some police "investigators" can't even agree on how deep is the pool... it seems that the need and the urge to solve this crime is not on the top of their agenda.. I wonder why?... 

How deep the pool is, is one thing.... How much water was in the pool is another....

[dennnis]

2 hours ago, smedly said:

who had motive if they were murdered

My bet is on Rakesh.

[Gandtee]

4 hours ago, jvs said:

So who got him out of the water?Did the son do that?Not enough information here.

Just have to wait for more info but it does not seem so straight forward.

Straight forward? Is anything straight forward here?

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Agatha Christie would be struggling with this one.

A have faith in the BiB finding a satisfactory conclusion to this tragedy... ????

[wwest5829]

5 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Agatha Christie would be struggling with this one.

Send in Poirot !

[cvs04]

Gov seem perplexed even though they've just made new 10 year visas for the rich why the wealthy don't want to come here with all their loot.

 

One day they might work out because many get killed, robbed, jailed or all three.

[Bundooman]

For a pool that has been closed 'for some time', it looks exceptionally clean.

 

If it was closed, why were the two guests 'swimming' there?

 

But no-one else was around. no maintenance was beking carried out.

 

So how come the pool has: no leaves, no algae, no usual windswept clutter - in fact, it looks immaculate!

 

Doesn't it?

[Dont confuse me]

"the relatives were not suspicious of the couple's deaths as they had underlying health conditions" 

Thank you very much that's just the outer I've been looking for case solved!

[GreasyFingers]

1 hour ago, Moonlover said:

Or we could go for a solution that makes sense. They are in the pool together with no one in attendance. She strays into deeper water and not being a strong swimmer (or maybe not at all) gets into difficulty.

 

He goes to help her but he is not trained in water rescue and also gets into difficulties. (Attempting a rescue even with training can be hazardous) After a struggle he manages to pull her to the steps (although she maybe unconscious by now) and climbs out. But he is exhausted and, as pointed has health issues, he collapses and dies on the poolside.

 

Drowning victims don't always die instantly by the way. They can take water into their lungs which causes breathing difficulties resulting in unconsciousness and death a short while after they have, apparently been saved.

 

Nothing suspicious here. Just another tragic accident. 

Very reasonable scenario but if you cannot swim why would you, at their age, go into a pool out of your depth. On a beach very easy, a small pool a couple of metres wide makes me have doubts.

[Clarkey611]

1 hour ago, Almer said:

ah i see the beer bottles have been considered.

Death due to the consumption of alcohol presumably! 

[Bundooman]

2 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Or we could go for a solution that makes sense. They are in the pool together with no one in attendance. She strays into deeper water and not being a strong swimmer (or maybe not at all) gets into difficulty.

 

He goes to help her but he is not trained in water rescue and also gets into difficulties. (Attempting a rescue even with training can be hazardous) After a struggle he manages to pull her to the steps (although she maybe unconscious by now) and climbs out. But he is exhausted and, as pointed has health issues, he collapses and dies on the poolside.

 

Drowning victims don't always die instantly by the way. They can take water into their lungs which causes breathing difficulties resulting in unconsciousness and death a short while after they have, apparently been saved.

 

Nothing suspicious here. Just another tragic accident. 

We're talking about 2 metres of water - what do you think they were - midgets?

how tall were they?

[RJRS1301]

4 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

Funny how often CCTV not working when a 'suicide' happens. I wonder if the CCTV automatically switches off when a suicide is about to happen. My mind keeps returning to the chap who hung himself with a pair of socks from the hinge on his interview room door....yep CCTV mysteriously was turned off.

Were they BONDS sox??

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

3 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

The fact that relatives aren’t surprised should be very surprising because the chances of both of them dying at the exact same time of underlying health issues is equal zero,

On the other hand though, and as various people on the other thread about this have pointed out, two people dying together in a drowning accident in a swimming pool is something that has a non-zero probability.

 

The chances of it may not be exceedingly high - but they're not zero either.

[RJRS1301]

35 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

For a pool that has been closed 'for some time', it looks exceptionally clean.

 

If it was closed, why were the two guests 'swimming' there?

 

But no-one else was around. no maintenance was beking carried out.

 

So how come the pool has: no leaves, no algae, no usual windswept clutter - in fact, it looks immaculate!

 

Doesn't it?

Was it the poolboy with the large bulge and the lover of the son?
 

[Moonlover]

26 minutes ago, GreasyFingers said:

Very reasonable scenario but if you cannot swim why would you, at their age, go into a pool out of your depth. On a beach very easy, a small pool a couple of metres wide makes me have doubts.

But they did didn't they., How else did they get it there?

[patman30]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

relatives were not suspicious of the couple's deaths as they had underlying health conditions

This would make me suspicious of the relatives.

[Moonlover]

17 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

2 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Or we could go for a solution that makes sense. They are in the pool together with no one in attendance. She strays into deeper water and not being a strong swimmer (or maybe not at all) gets into difficulty.

 

 

17 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

We're talking about 2 metres of water - what do you think they were - midgets?

how tall were they?

The average height of a man is 1.7 meters, that of a woman is 1.6 meters.

 

The deepest area of the pool was 2.2 meters. That's plenty enough to drown in. 

[mickymouse1]

He said that the relatives were not suspicious of the couple's deaths as they had underlying health conditions.

I can write many lines here..there are some happy individuals as billions will be shared.

the locations of the 2 bodies are suspicious. 

 

Son went for a walk ..ahhh.

cctv dead as always but I read,this is a 5 stars with a pool that has no staff around.

easy to crack if the will is there.

 

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, Moonlover said:

He goes to help her but he is not trained in water rescue and also gets into difficulties. (Attempting a rescue even with training can be hazardous)

Not in a swimming pool.

Suggesting 2 adults drowned in a swimming pool is BS of the highest order.

Edited June 7, 2021 by BritManToo

[crazykopite]

Surely if they only arrived on Friday from Phuket or Bangkok they should of been in quarantine !!

[chickenslegs]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

After staff who were alerted arrived at the scene they saw the man lying by the pool ladder (apparently out of the water) and his wife floating face down one meter from the edge in one meter deep water. 

I was under the impression that drowned bodies sank to the bottom due to the lungs being filled with water.

 

A poster in another thread mentioned that drowning whilst being electrocuted would result in lungs not being filled with water - thus the body would float.

 

Of course, death from a stroke or other sudden failure would have the same effect.

 

 

[bangon04]

51 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

 

The average height of a man is 1.7 meters, that of a woman is 1.6 meters.

 

The deepest area of the pool was 2.2 meters. That's plenty enough to drown in. 

At least in the OP a staff member is pointing at the pool carefully so that the police investigator knows where to start looking.......

 

The RTP on Koh Tao continues to be a source of national pride, trust and respect.

[Excel]

39 minutes ago, crazykopite said:

Surely if they only arrived on Friday from Phuket or Bangkok they should of been in quarantine !!

Billionaires/HISOs etc etc , do you really think they quarantine ?  

[ABCbangkok]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

The hotel concerned advertises itself as a 5 star facility in a "relaxed seaside building" that is "6 km from Tanote beach and 7 km from Mango Bay"

“Sherlock, a very important fact!”

 

”You’re absolutely right Watson!! Given the long distances to the beaches, the victims were all but trapped into using the HOTEL pool. What choice did they have?!, the poor devils.”

[vangrop]

2 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

Send in Poirot !

You have to wait, he is in quarantaine.

[JamieM]

2 minutes ago, vangrop said:

You have to wait, he is in quarantaine.

I heard he was deported for not meeting the income requirements