Doctors at private and public hospitals grow increasingly frustrated with government policy

[vangrop]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The majority that they have been able to produce must be exported (as per their contract). 

Th AZ plant is property from AZ not the governments. Thus AZ does with their production what they want.

[DogNo1]

No, it was revealed by the OAG on July 2nd that they had not teceived any contracts to review.  When they did receive a contract on July 3rd, they acted very quickly.  I can't provide a link to the Post article but the news was there.

[Isaan sailor]

Not sure how things work here—but in America, for my health and welfare, I would trust my doctors advice before I’d trust the government.

[zhounan]

When will any of these doctors decide to pick up their old books and study again? 

 

I have always wondered why no one in Thailand, either individually or as a group, has ever criticized the medical choice of mass vaccination.

[Buffy Frobisher]

8 hours ago, ChipButty said:

Why the Private hospitals were never allowed to place any orders for the vaccines? one thought I had they wouldn't have ordered that Chinese junk which would not fit in with certain peoples agenda.

And did the private hospitals know something we dont know?

With the CP Group owning 15% of Sinovac, and Sinovac being paid 600 baht per dose by the Government for the initial 2 million doses plus a few additional orders, there isn't much anyone can do . There are big margins for the snouts in the trough to be looked after with, and it's all controlled by a conglomerate that pretty much gets anything it wants in both Thailand and China.

 

The private hospitals are told what they can and can't use by the Government Pharmaceutical Organisation - and CP seem to be able to tell them what to do. It's only because Sinovac has failed against the Delta variant that there's been any discussion about approving the mRNA vaccines, which we should have had from the outset given that Thailand had a full year to prepare for the obvious onslaught to come. Always amazing Thailand!

[alex8912]

5 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

It may or may not. Depends on who what when where and why.  Rumors and anecdotal evidence show hi-so folks also heading to the US and returning here sans quarantine upon return.

 

My sister and her husband in the US had their Moderna shots 2 weeks apart back in February.  A doctor I personally know here had the J&J upon arrival at the airport and returned 2 weeks later. Can it be done of course, is it recommended not really, does it happen sure it does. Believe what you will. 

I believe you are stretching things quite a bit. First all your Doctor "friends" got Pfizer for starters. You even said " a lot " of them. Keep it real and not full of " rumors and anecdotes. Now you are saying they are skipping quarantine. Come on man! 

[misterjames]

29 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Not sure how things work here—but in America, for my health and welfare, I would trust my doctors advice before I’d trust the government.

Thai Doctors can be great, I always do my research first though you can find out their qualifications and education history online before booking.

 

Most specialists in Thailand are western educated and just as proficient as those that they studied alongside in the west.

 

In short I trust what they say if the Thai virologists say Sinovac won't work then I believe them.

 

 

[Buffy Frobisher]

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@Fleccer, what are you smoking? The Sinovac vaccine is failing against the Delta variant, and that's not unusual for the kind of vaccine it is (deactivated virus) considering that it was highly effective against the Alpha strain when it was first made. Others are faring better but the virus is learning to evade all vaccines EXCEPT, so far at least, the mRNA vaccines of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna because of the clever way that they teach your immune system about how to identify and handle the spike protein.

 

The TRUTH, something you're apparently not familiar with, is that 99.2% of all the people who died of Covid-19 in the USA in June were UNVACCINATED. Digest that! Most people who caught the virus after they were vaccinated in the USA in June are alive and well. And that's the whole purpose of a vaccine that works! So your statement of "it is precisely the vaccinated who are the most infected" is patently UNTRUE. It's FAKE NEWS. So stop publishing it!

 

If you are vaccinated against ANYTHING you can still get the disease, you just don't get so sick and/or die from it. So a lot of people are still catching Covid-19 even though they're vaccinated, but NOT ending up in an ICU. More of those who got Sinovac are seeing serious breakthrough infections, which is why they are now going to be given booster shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine too. mRNA vaccines are safer, and do a better job - so far.

 

There's nothing experimental about any of the Covid vaccines - even the mRNA vaccine delivery system was developed in 1990 and has been extensively tested as vaccinations for other pathogens since then. It's designed as a platform that can be easily adapted to all kinds of viruses, hence the speed at which it was deployed against this pandemic and why it will be used the minute the next one is identified.

 

Do some reading instead of being an armchair expert with a tinfoil hat! You might like to start with this: https://historyofvaccines.blog/2021/01/03/the-history-of-the-mrna-vaccines/

[aussienam]

Thailand were pretty much put in a headlock by China to order Sinovac.  China is a major investor in Thailand as well as there being a significant Sino-Thai population.   

For Thailand not to have ordered Sinovac from the Great Dragon of Asia would have been a massive loss of face for China. 

The knock-on effect for upsetting such a massive Superpower could likely have been punitive economic sanctions, reduced aide, halted donations, tourism, reduced water flow of main rivers, etc.  

South East Asian nations are servants to China and don't really have much choice without punishment of some sort.  They now to have to carefully and diplomatically navigate their way to another vaccine alternative without causing upset.  

[fusion58]

7 hours ago, BookShe said:

What's the problem here? Can't you read the facts?

 

"After five days of treatment, more than 300 Covid-19 patients have been cured by fah talai jone (andrographis paniculata) or green chireta."

 

As far as I remember it was promoted as it will make LOS the Hub of herbal export empire, and TAT was already predicted 2 Trillon dollar income from it. 

It only works when you wear a specific magic amulet and only after you have bowed and scraped to a specific statue three times at a specific temple...

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1 hour ago, fleccer said:

Stop publishing?????? FAKE NEWS???? Who are you? With which authority are you coming to tell me what to do?

And with what right do you claim to be the bearer of the truth? 

Come and run to get the miraculous sting, don't waste your time

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[albegood]

All of you people have missed the point, or maybe you haven't and are just responding to the actual story line about wide spread greed and corruption as to who is making the omney on this item. Fair enough, don't forget that the Government of Thailand has incumbered and forced poverty on the masses becaus eof death rate that is barely higher than the standard influenza. Should vaccine be avaiable for those who are compromised or just want it, yes, should the country sdhut down, and make people poor excpet the righ and powerful for a slightly harder to deal with flu. NO. This is a scam I wonder how mcuh the rish are stealing while everyone else is locked down.

all of you people have missed the point, or maybe you haven't and are just responding to the actual story line  about wide spread greed and corruption as to who gets rich off of this vaccine. Fair enough, don't forget that the government of Thailand has encumbered and forced poverty on the masses with these ridiculous lock downs because of death rate that is barely higher than the standard influenza.   Should vaccines be available for those are the weakest and at the most risk, OF COURSE, should the country be shut down and make the people poor except the rich and powerful for a slightly higher death rate virus than the standard flu? Absolutely not, this is a scam and I wonder how much the rich and powerful are stealing while everyone else is locked down without so much as care of except for the feigned concern for public safety, all anyone cares about in most places but especially Thailand is what they can get without one care how they do it. 

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did do it right

[leba]

it's called soft power...

 

[leba]

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it's called freedom of speech...

 

 

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17 minutes ago, leba said:

 

it's called freedom of speech...

 

 

And I'm sure you can find venues where you are free to say whatever you please. But this venue is not only subject to the rules of the site, but also to the laws of Thailand. Not even if the website were located in the USA , would the first amendment of the US Constitution  guarantee you the right to say what you please here.

[DogNo1]

Yes, the threat of retaliation from China if Sinovac had not been purchased sounds plausible.  Look what China is doing to Australia!

[DogNo1]

I wonder if the CCP is influencing how foreigners are being treated in Thailand.  

[Bundooman]

20 hours ago, grain said:

And where are the millions of AZ from Siam BS?

Still in BS land.

[Bundooman]

14 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

Because soldier's (read Prayut,Anutin etc....)  not allowed to put they sticky hands in that "jamjar"!

You refer to Anutin as a soldier?

You have just degraded the status of soldiers, worldwide!

[Bundooman]

12 hours ago, vangrop said:

So according to you this will be for this winter when the cows go back to the stables!?

I never knew that cows lived in stables. I thought they were for horses.

Maybe I don't know the difference between them.

[Bundooman]

11 hours ago, Buffy Frobisher said:

*Deleted post edited out*

 

@Fleccer, what are you smoking? The Sinovac vaccine is failing against the Delta variant, and that's not unusual for the kind of vaccine it is (deactivated virus) considering that it was highly effective against the Alpha strain when it was first made. Others are faring better but the virus is learning to evade all vaccines EXCEPT, so far at least, the mRNA vaccines of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna because of the clever way that they teach your immune system about how to identify and handle the spike protein.

 

The TRUTH, something you're apparently not familiar with, is that 99.2% of all the people who died of Covid-19 in the USA in June were UNVACCINATED. Digest that! Most people who caught the virus after they were vaccinated in the USA in June are alive and well. And that's the whole purpose of a vaccine that works! So your statement of "it is precisely the vaccinated who are the most infected" is patently UNTRUE. It's FAKE NEWS. So stop publishing it!

 

If you are vaccinated against ANYTHING you can still get the disease, you just don't get so sick and/or die from it. So a lot of people are still catching Covid-19 even though they're vaccinated, but NOT ending up in an ICU. More of those who got Sinovac are seeing serious breakthrough infections, which is why they are now going to be given booster shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine too. mRNA vaccines are safer, and do a better job - so far.

 

There's nothing experimental about any of the Covid vaccines - even the mRNA vaccine delivery system was developed in 1990 and has been extensively tested as vaccinations for other pathogens since then. It's designed as a platform that can be easily adapted to all kinds of viruses, hence the speed at which it was deployed against this pandemic and why it will be used the minute the next one is identified.

 

Do some reading instead of being an armchair expert with a tinfoil hat! You might like to start with this: https://historyofvaccines.blog/2021/01/03/the-history-of-the-mrna-vaccines/

How do you know whether he's wearing a tin hat, or not? 

What kind of tin hat is it?

Have you ever worn one?

Do you have any idea how uncomfortable they are?

Are you wearing one now?

Because it sounds like it!

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

I never knew that cows lived in stables. I thought they were for horses.

Maybe I don't know the difference between them.

You are correct, Cows are either in Corrals or pastures, the Holsteins used for milk are put in pens when it is milking time......for the Cows to come home, someone needs to go round them up and bring them in, but that will never happen here to the Government as no one can round them up and hold them accountable.  That was my point....just used an analogy to make it.

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13 hours ago, misterjames said:

Thai Doctors can be great, I always do my research first though you can find out their qualifications and education history online before booking.

 

Most specialists in Thailand are western educated and just as proficient as those that they studied alongside in the west.

 

In short I trust what they say if the Thai virologists say Sinovac won't work then I believe them.

Do Thai virologists say it won't work? The recently released research were lab tests designed to test how much antibodies against Delta were produced by the vaccines. It was projected that Sinovac's effectiveness was expected to be less, Nothing about how effective it would be about stopping hospitalizations and death. We know from past experience with previous variants that even though Sinovac was less effective against infection than other vaccines, its percentage of effectiveness in preventing hospitalizations and death was always higher than its success at preventing transmission. It's a virtual lock that it will be less effective against hospitalizations and death than other vaccines. But that doesn't mean it won't work.

[Isaan sailor]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Do Thai virologists say it won't work? The recently released research were lab tests designed to test how much antibodies against Delta were produced by the vaccines. It was projected that Sinovac's effectiveness was expected to be less, Nothing about how effective it would be about stopping hospitalizations and death. We know from past experience with previous variants that even though Sinovac was less effective against infection than other vaccines, its percentage of effectiveness in preventing hospitalizations and death was always higher than its success at preventing transmission. It's a virtual lock that it will be less effective against hospitalizations and death than other vaccines. But that doesn't mean it won't work.

SinoVac most likely better than nothing—I agree.  But what about mixing SinoVac with AstraZeneka?  Who wants to be a guinea pig?  So little is known about the long term effects of any these vaccines—even with full double shots of the same brand.

[connda]

21 hours ago, DogNo1 said:

Sinovac was NOT the only vaccine that they could get.  The GPO refused again and again to order the vaccines.  The truth was revealed on July 2nd.  No orders for other vaccines had been placed.

Yeah.  GPO was probably persuaded in no uncertain terms to put the brakes on.  And the Thai FDA to boot.  Shhhh.  Nothing to see. 

The Sixth Phases of Thai Projects and Schemes

1. Enthusiasm

2. Disillusionment

3. Panic

4. Search for the guilty

5. Punishment of the innocent

6. Praise, honors, and photo-ops for the non-participants

 

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[connda]

14 hours ago, DogNo1 said:

I wonder if the CCP is influencing how foreigners are being treated in Thailand.  

Probably Russia and North Korea too.  Oh, and Iran.

[misterjames]

1 minute ago, connda said:

Probably Russia and North Korea too.  Oh, and Iran.

All the places with a history of treating their people well.

 

Riddle me this though why would the above have an interest in protecting public perception of Sinovac?

[misterjames]

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

Do Thai virologists say it won't work?

Have you read the original post?

 

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However, increasing evidence points to Sinovac’s ineffectiveness in preventing the transmission of the Covid-19 virus

 

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On 7/12/2021 at 7:15 PM, Isaan sailor said:

Not sure how things work here—but in America, for my health and welfare, I would trust my doctors advice before I’d trust the government.

I would trust whoever best understands the science.

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3 hours ago, connda said:

Probably Russia and North Korea too.  Oh, and Iran.

And don't forget the bogeyman. Come to think  of it, I guess you haven't.