PHOTO: Dr. Manoon Leechawengwongs

 

Prominent Thai doctor, Manoon Leechawengwongs, urged non-infected people to stop discriminating against Covid-19 Coronavirus cured patients as he believes everyone would eventually be infected, sooner or later.

 

The doctor from Vichaiyut Hospital stated online today, August 19th, that Thailand has an increasing number of covid patients every day. But the other thing that is happening now is that many cured coronavirus patients who strictly conducted self-treatment and self-quarantine at home until 3-4 weeks have passed are also shunned by society.

 

His status read: “Their boss doesn’t let them go back to work. Local shopkeepers refused to provide service to them. Society treated them like they used to treat people with HIV and tuberculosis. They are stigmatized and discriminated against.”

 

Full Story: https://thepattayanews.com/2021/08/19/prominent-thai-doctor-says-everyone-will-eventually-catch-covid-19-we-need-to-learn-to-live-with-it/

 

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what is wrong with some Thai people - this is ridiculous 

 

Had no idea this sort of thing was going on - infantile stupid people 

I think he's right on some things.

 

Vaccinate and try and get on with life , we need normal asap and Thailand is killing itself with no plan of recovery.

1 minute ago, smedly said:

what is wrong with some Thai people - this is ridiculous 

 

Had no idea this sort of thing was going on - infantile stupid people 

This sort of thing is probably going on only in the mind of this doctor, to get some attention. I know a lot of Covid recovered persons, none of them faced any discrimination.

Yes. Other doctors in the west were saying this back in spring 2020 but they were quickly shot down in the media, devoiced in youtube, etc.

 

This thai doctor describes what has just happened in India - most people got sick and acquired natural immunity from the live virus, the wave went down. The number of detected infections is bs everywhere, real numbers are in billions now, mortality rate is very low. What happened in India is now happening in Thailand, give it another month to play out.

7 minutes ago, AnotherFarang8 said:

Yes. Other doctors in the west were saying this back in spring 2020 but they were quickly shot down in the media, devoiced in youtube, etc.

 

This thai doctor describes what has just happened in India - most people got sick and acquired natural immunity from the live virus, the wave went down. The number of detected infections is bs everywhere, real numbers are in billions now, mortality rate is very low. What happened in India is now happening in Thailand, give it another month to play out.

how many died in India - do you even know

Yes - I do agree with him every one will get it eventually and given its unnatural aggressiveness then get it again. So vaccinate the old and vunerable (even in Issan) and stop the slaughter. 

1 minute ago, smedly said:

how many died in India - do you even know

Fewer than will die from malnutrition and early deaths from chronic diseases resulting from malnutrition, especially kids of young age. There is statistics of millions added to the number on the edge of starvation compared to 2019, and this economic mess is only beginning to rear its ugly head. It will be a turbulent decade. Economy does not forgive nor forget.

A couple years from now, we will all be going about our lives almost normally. As more variants pop up, more updated vaccines will be made available as boosters. The present leaders will try to give themselves amnesty for their blunders, and flee using the remaining submarines.

25 minutes ago, AnotherFarang8 said:

Yes. Other doctors in the west were saying this back in spring 2020 but they were quickly shot down in the media, devoiced in youtube, etc.

 

This thai doctor describes what has just happened in India - most people got sick and acquired natural immunity from the live virus, the wave went down. The number of detected infections is bs everywhere, real numbers are in billions now, mortality rate is very low. What happened in India is now happening in Thailand, give it another month to play out.

Of course, this isn't the first time such an explanation has been trotted out.. Before Delta hit Thailand, lots of denialists were claiming that Thais were mostly immune to covid and the measures taken to restrict it were unnecessary.

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5 minutes ago, Gold Star said:

A couple years from now, we will all be going about our lives almost normally.

Highly unlikely. Even with the virus conquered or at least left cowering in a corner, the whole world has changed as a result of the pandemic and it won't be going back to 2019: supply chains, expectations of governments, health consciousness, education methods, international relations, economic structures, digital economy and on & on ... And of course tourism: how much? where? how managed?

he should also point out, that very many already had covid within the last 18 months, just they were asymptomatic and not many tests were done.

Yes, there are many examples of hatred against covid infected, but even also against medics, who were treating covid patients (as suspected virus carriers). In some countries medic's private cars were spray painted, vandalised. Same with flat entrance doors. Refusal to be served at shops

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Of course, this isn't the first time such an explanation has been trotted out.. Before Delta hit Thailand, lots of denialists were claiming that Thais were mostly immune to covid and the measures taken to restrict it were unnecessary.

whats the deaths count from Covid now, 8,500  in 20 months ?

numbers so small compared to other ways people die in Thailand

If not for the media hype, lockdowns, etc, how many would even know or care with such small numbers

 

1 minute ago, Joinaman said:

whats the deaths count from Covid now, 8,500  in 20 months ?

numbers so small compared to other ways people die in Thailand

If not for the media hype, lockdowns, etc, how many would even know or care with such small numbers

 

Maybe all the people who needed an ICU bed for reasons other than covid? And their relatives and friends?

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42 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

I think he's right on some things.

 

Vaccinate and try and get on with life , we need normal asap and Thailand is killing itself with no plan of recovery.

You are right we need to learn to live with this and get on with our lives, you cannot buy time.

45 minutes ago, AnotherFarang8 said:

Yes. Other doctors in the west were saying this back in spring 2020 but they were quickly shot down in the media, devoiced in youtube, etc.

 

This thai doctor describes what has just happened in India - most people got sick and acquired natural immunity from the live virus, the wave went down. The number of detected infections is bs everywhere, real numbers are in billions now, mortality rate is very low. What happened in India is now happening in Thailand, give it another month to play out.

Totaly agree with you and the doctor. What we have seen is the biggest fear creation ever, 

50 minutes ago, AnotherFarang8 said:

Yes. Other doctors in the west were saying this back in spring 2020 but they were quickly shot down in the media, devoiced in youtube, etc.

 

This thai doctor describes what has just happened in India - most people got sick and acquired natural immunity from the live virus, the wave went down. The number of detected infections is bs everywhere, real numbers are in billions now, mortality rate is very low. What happened in India is now happening in Thailand, give it another month to play out.

Or something else happened to stop the wave.

There more worried when there not vaccinated.

 

We don't need more orphans and people dying in the streets.

 

Thanks for the stupid advice though.

14 minutes ago, Joinaman said:

whats the deaths count from Covid now, 8,500  in 20 months ?

numbers so small compared to other ways people die in Thailand

If not for the media hype, lockdowns, etc, how many would even know or care with such small numbers

 

If not for the lockdowns, the death toll would be much higher.

 

Your post illustrates a common fallacy here: if lockdowns work to reduce deaths, then some people claim lockdowns aren’t needed, since so few people died.

 

You could also argue that vaccines aren’t needed in Chile, because there are only 800 new infections today.

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Maybe all the people who needed an ICU bed for reasons other than covid? And their relatives and friends?

yup, loads of them need ICUs dont they, or is the ward only for Covid patients now

Seemed to be plenty of patients with illnesses other than covid, when we took grandma in ,dont think there was even one covid patient there 

Lots of road injuries, cancers, influenza, , have them by the thousands, but covid ? 

Heard a few weeks ago someone came back from Bangkok to near our village and was infected, but not hospitalized, other than that none known around here

Still doesnt stop people sh""tting themselves though, even when they know they have more chence of dying going to the shops 

1 minute ago, Joinaman said:

yup, loads of them need ICUs dont they, or is the ward only for Covid patients now

Seemed to be plenty of patients with illnesses other than covid, when we took grandma in ,dont think there was even one covid patient there 

Lots of road injuries, cancers, influenza, , have them by the thousands, but covid ? 

Heard a few weeks ago someone came back from Bangkok to near our village and was infected, but not hospitalized, other than that none known around here

Still doesnt stop people sh""tting themselves though, even when they know they have more chence of dying going to the shops 

Oh the "when we took grandma in don't think there was even one covid patient there" report. Impressive. Will you be taking grandma in regularly to continue with your reports?

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3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

If not for the lockdowns, the death toll would be much higher.

 

Your post illustrates a common fallacy here: if lockdowns work to reduce deaths, then some people claim lockdowns aren’t needed, since so few people died.

 

You could also argue that vaccines aren’t needed in Chile, because there are only 800 new infections today.

Thanks, you could also argue vaccines are not required in Samoa, Tonga, niether of which has anything to do with Thaialnd, just like Chile 

Nice word, If, says so much yet means so little. Deaths may be higher, or maybe not, how would you know ?

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Oh the "when we took grandma in don't think there was even one covid patient there" report. Impressive. Will you be taking grandma in regularly to continue with your reports?

I would except they dont accept ashes there i dont think

She had a nice cremation though 

You been in ICU lately ? or just like to spout off 

2 minutes ago, Joinaman said:

I would except they dont accept ashes there i dont think

She had a nice cremation though 

You been in ICU lately ? or just like to spout off 

I think there are a huge number of reports from people and agencies whose identities are easily verifiable. I know it's nuts but I'll take their word over an anonymous denialist on Thaivisa.com

1 hour ago, AnotherFarang8 said:

Yes. Other doctors in the west were saying this back in spring 2020 but they were quickly shot down in the media, devoiced in youtube, etc.

 

This thai doctor describes what has just happened in India - most people got sick and acquired natural immunity from the live virus, the wave went down. The number of detected infections is bs everywhere, real numbers are in billions now, mortality rate is very low. What happened in India is now happening in Thailand, give it another month to play out.

Here's what stopped Covid in India:

 

India succeeds with Invermectin. Figures from Johns Hopkins.

Full story: https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout/article_e3db8f46-f942-11eb-9eea-77d5e2519364.html

 

Uttar Pradesh on Ivermectin:  Population 240 Million [4.9% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 26

COVID Daily Deaths: 3

The United States off Ivermectin: Population 331 Million [50.5% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 127,108

COVID Daily Deaths: 574

Let us look at other Ivermectin using areas of India with numbers from August 5, 2021, compiled by the JHU CSSE:

Delhi on Ivermectin: Population 31 Million [15% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 61

COVID Daily Deaths: 2

Uttarakhand on Ivermectin: Population 11.4 Million [15% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 24

COVID Daily Deaths: 0

Now let us look at an area of India that rejected Ivermectin. 

Tamil Nadu announced they would reject Ivermectin and instead follow the dubious USA-style guidance of using Remdesivir. Knowing this, you might expect their numbers to be closer to the US, with more cases and more deaths. You would be correct. Tamil Nadu went on to lead India in COVID-19 cases.

Tamil Nadu off Ivermectin: Population 78.8 Million [6.9% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 1,997

COVID Daily Deaths: 33

 

 

This is the same guy who spoke out recently against lock downs. (see lockdown measures aren't working ) I agreed with him then and I agree with him now.

 

We have to stop cowering away from a pathogen that, for the vast majority of people, only causes a minor, short term illness and in many cases, no illness at all.

 

Vaccinate and protect the vulnerable and the frontline workers, then let the virus have its way and put an end to this crazy situation. The sooner we do that, the sooner herd immunity will be achieved and we will all be much safer and very much relieved. 

 

The stress and strain that all this nonsense is causing on society is far worse than sickness itself.

6 minutes ago, peter zwart said:

Totaly agree with you and the doctor. What we have seen is the biggest fear creation ever, 

I would say yes ...and  no.

Now that this virus has established itself on a global pandemic scale and has also mutated into various more potent forms in similar manner to influenza then the reasonable expectation is that it will exist as  yet another endemic issue on a scale also similar to other less topical disease scourges that remain largely ignored.

So yes it is very likely we will have to learn to live with it > After the hysteria of the impact .

If nothing else this declared pandemic has illustrated the gross inadequacy of supposed humanitarian concerns in greater interest in profitability and nationalistic advantage and manipulation.

So no to the concept that everyone should concede to acceptance of inadequate attempts to offset the impact of a contagion by elected or self imposed agents of control especially when priviledged fiscal considerations over ride egalitarian !

 

2 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

But the other thing that is happening now is that many cured coronavirus patients who strictly conducted self-treatment and self-quarantine at home until 3-4 weeks have passed are also shunned by society.

The government and health care organizations have purposefully stoked "the fear or Covid-19" to "11" on the Spinal Tap volume knob.  What should they expect?  A rational public.  They've told the public globally since March 2020 to cower in fear.  So now the majority - irrationally - cower in fear. 

I agree with the doctor.  Live with it or destroy society as it once was, which may be the point. 
They reap what they have sown. 

It's inevitable, he is right.

 

Look at the UK, probably now one of the most open countries in the world, a mixture of a good vaccine roll out and herd immunity. They are saying 85% of the population now has anti-bodies. Only restriction is on overseas travel, you don't even have to isolate if in contact 

 

Almost a month now open and deaths and hospital admissions are low.

 

Went to London for a few days, life is normal, they are asking you to wear a mask on the tube, that's about it.

 

It's why I think Australia and New Zealand with be locked down the longest, Covid is not going away they will need to bite the bullet sooner or later and open up

3 minutes ago, bartender100 said:

It's inevitable, he is right.

 

Look at the UK, probably now one of the most open countries in the world, a mixture of a good vaccine roll out and herd immunity. They are saying 85% of the population now has anti-bodies. Only restriction is on overseas travel, you don't even have to isolate if in contact 

 

Almost a month now open and deaths and hospital admissions are low.

 

Went to London for a few days, life is normal, they are asking you to wear a mask on the tube, that's about it.

 

It's why I think Australia and New Zealand with be locked down the longest, Covid is not going away they will need to bite the bullet sooner or later and open up

 

no one says the virus will go away, it will, however, become endemic and we'll learn to live with it.