A majority of Americans say the U.S. government is corrupt and almost a third say it may soon be necessary to take up arms against it, according to a new poll from the University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics.

 

Two-thirds of Republicans and independents say the government is “corrupt and rigged against everyday people like me,” according to the poll, compared to 51 percent of liberal voters.

 

Twenty-eight percent of all voters, including 37 percent of gun owners, agreed “it may be necessary at some point soon for citizens to take up arms against the government,” a view held by around 35 percent of Republicans and around 35 percent of Independents. One in five Democrats concurred.

 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/3572278-nearly-one-in-three-americans-say-it-may-soon-be-necessary-to-take-up-arms-against-the-government/

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

a third say it may soon be necessary to take up arms against it

This is what happens when your country hasn't been at war with anyone for a year.

But you do know the government has a large army, drones, tanks, warplanes, tactical nuclear weapons... Plus 2 in 3 of the civilian population who do not want to take up arms. I don't see it going well from an outsiders' perspective....

.....maybe just best to do it at the ballot box.  

 

That's what happens when you grew up watching Rambo and the Terminator 

4 minutes ago, Credo said:

.....maybe just best to do it at the ballot box.  

 

A genuine question to American posters: If any state(s) decided they had had enough of the Union, could they secede from the United States? Realistically, that is?

28% of 1000 polled, 280 people of the 350ish million Yanks

or 0.00008% ????  ... stop already

 

37% of those 28% (108 people) actually own guns.  Watch out Wash DC ????

https://uchicagopolitics.opalstacked.com/uploads/homepage/Polarization-Poll.pdf

 

the guardian ran that little tidbit last month.  that's embarrassing they are down to rag level, with the mail & sun.

 

with the hill regurgitating it yesterday.  think I'll stick to the news that isn't allowed here.

 

 

Edited July 25, 20224 yr by KhunLA

No point having all those guns unless you are going to use them, make a change from attacking schools.

 

4 minutes ago, baboon said:

A genuine question to American posters: If any state(s) decided they had had enough of the Union, could they secede from the United States? Realistically, that is?

No, it's unconstitutional.

 

Realistic it would never occur anyway. Red states can't afford to seceed.

 

So in aggregate, the federal government transfers wealth from the blue states to the red states.

Blue staters, on the other hand, ease the consumption gap by saving more and purchasing durable goods. Of course, poorer households often cannot save and thus must rely on fiscal transfers, so this red state-blue state gap might just be the result of wealth disparities between the two cohorts.

 

https://blogs.cfainstitute.org/investor/2018/03/13/red-states-blue-states-two-economies-one-nation/

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

28% of 1000 polled, 280 people of the 350ish million Yanks

or 0.00008% ????  ... stop already

https://uchicagopolitics.opalstacked.com/uploads/homepage/Polarization-Poll.pdf

It's the most common stated reason for second amendment crazies to want to own assault type rifles. The results are not surprising.

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

No, it's unconstitutional.

OK. But do you remember the last few months of the Soviet Union? When Gorbachev was president of the Union, but Yeltsin, who was the democratically elected premier of Russia, simply declared All Union laws null and void on the territory of the Russian Federation?

This would be impossible in the US?

24 minutes ago, baboon said:

OK. But do you remember the last few months of the Soviet Union? When Gorbachev was president of the Union, but Yeltsin, who was the democratically elected premier of Russia, simply declared All Union laws null and void on the territory of the Russian Federation?

This would be impossible in the US?

The Civil War was, in part, fought over the right of states to secede from the Union.  The states that wanted to secede lost.  So, no they cannot secede from the Union.  

As much as I don't exactly trust the federal government, I have a much bigger beef with those closer to home.  First on my list is the HOA, followed by the County and then the State.  

14 minutes ago, Scott said:

The Civil War was, in part, fought over the right of states to secede from the Union.  The states that wanted to secede lost.  So, no they cannot secede from the Union.  

Do you think Americans consider this a good thing, don't care, or find it a ball and chain?

 

2 minutes ago, Credo said:

As much as I don't exactly trust the federal government, I have a much bigger beef with those closer to home.  First on my list is the HOA, followed by the County and then the State.  

Sorry, HOA?

2 minutes ago, baboon said:

Do you think Americans consider this a good thing, don't care, or find it a ball and chain?

 

Outside of Texas, which at one time an independent country after it won independence from Mexico, I don't think any other state has ever really considered it.  I don't think the idea of leaving the Union is really much a part of the American psyche. 

4 minutes ago, Scott said:

Outside of Texas, which at one time an independent country after it won independence from Mexico, I don't think any other state has ever really considered it.  I don't think the idea of leaving the Union is really much a part of the American psyche. 

I take it then, that not even Texas is serious about wishing to leave the United States nowadays? 

This kind of rhetoric is what sparked the civil war back in the mid 1800’s. Those advocating “taking up arms against the government” should be rounded up and tried for treason. The level of insanity that it takes to contemplate such horror is palpable.

1 minute ago, Nickelbeer said:

This kind of rhetoric is what sparked the civil war back in the mid 1800’s. Those advocating “taking up arms against the government” should be rounded up and tried for treason. The level of insanity that it takes to contemplate such horror is palpable.

I think you'd be surprised at how many people are deadly serious. The answer will certainly be many less than will claim they would be willing to do so but there's still plenty of true believers. I think it can mainly be sheeted back to the southern baptist church and evangelical organisations.

Most of those same people probably couldn't make it out of the Applebee's parking lot without their mobility scooters.

 

Edited July 25, 20224 yr by shdmn

29 minutes ago, baboon said:

Do you think Americans consider this a good thing, don't care, or find it a ball and chain?

 

Most of us are quite happy with the status quo. I was brought up in the southern United States, but it was always obvious to me that the Confederate cause was entirely based on the slavery issue. When your whole reason for being is the “right” to OWN other human beings, you have lost the plot.

10 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I think you'd be surprised at how many people are deadly serious. The answer will certainly be many less than will claim they would be willing to do so but there's still plenty of true believers. I think it can mainly be sheeted back to the southern baptist church and evangelical organisations.

But again: given what Scott and others have told me. The US is one, like it or not. Any serious insurrection could be quashed within a few hours at worst if your Federal government decided upon it. So even an armed militia in... Well I don't know... Philidelphia, for example, would be utterly crushed...

43 minutes ago, baboon said:

But again: given what Scott and others have told me. The US is one, like it or not. Any serious insurrection could be quashed within a few hours at worst if your Federal government decided upon it. So even an armed militia in... Well I don't know... Philidelphia, for example, would be utterly crushed...

I can't see it happening, at least not as an armed rebellion.  Its ideological differences and they can result in violence, but how do you know who exactly to attack?  It's not like you can look at someone and see if they are pro-life/anti-abortion.  You can't if someone is for renewable energy and against fossil fuels?  I find myself arguing with someone on a social media site, but I am a very long ways. from getting a gun and driving around the town I think he lives in and trying to shoot BigMax69 for his stand on the election!!

 

6 hours ago, Nickelbeer said:

the “right” to OWN other human beings, you have lost the plot.

Sounds like the religion of peace playbook.

2 minutes ago, wombat said:

Sounds like the religion of peace playbook.

While there’s not much commonality between those two ideologies, in terms of the amount of evil generated, they are roughly on par. I have no sympathy with either Islamist or Confederate thinking.

It could happen as the Democratic left has gone full blown in Socialist ideology’s ; they have open the Southern border with little intervention into the 100,000 illegal foreigners coming EACH MONTH. They have ceased domestic oil production doubling our fuel prices and are openly attacking the Second Amendment and supporting Woke <deleted>. There are no boundaries now. 

8 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

A majority of Americans say the U.S. government is corrupt and almost a third say it may soon be necessary to take up arms against it, according to a new poll from the University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics.

The way the current far left are destroying America from within, I cannot blame them

Some people never learn anything until it's too late. The people will always win in the end. Biden has to learn when to stop digging the huge hole America is falling into and make America his first choice not his last.

9 hours ago, Boyn said:

No point having all those guns unless you are going to use them, make a change from attacking schools.

 

Nah, those witless gun crazy pieces of cowardly sh*t will no doubt use the young kids as human shields

Who was interviewed for this poll?  The Trump conspiracy theorist?  And the people that can’t make it on their own so they blame the country for everything?  Taking up arms against America?  They are just plain traitors.  

If you don’t like America then leave it.  Maybe move to Thailand.  This way instead of only complaining about America.  You can complain about Thailand also.  Which seems to be the case for many.