webfact Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 By Goongnang Suksawat Pattaya – A foreign man has sustained burn injuries after a fire gutted a condominium in the Pattaya area while four others sustained injuries from smoke inhalation. Pattaya City firefighters were notified of the fire at 1:30 A.M. (February 4th) at the Amazon Residence Condominium in Soi Wat Boon Kanjanaram 5 in Nongprue, Banglamung. Firefighters with multiple fire engines, the Pattaya City Police, the Pattaya Tourist Police, and the Pattaya News arrived at the scene shortly after the first phone calls from quick thinking condo guards came in. About 200 hundred people live in the condominium and most of them are foreigners. Full story: https://thepattayanews.com/2023/02/04/fire-breaks-out-at-pattaya-condo-hundreds-evacuated-several-people-injured/ -- © Copyright The Pattaya News 2023-02-04 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. The most versatile and flexible rental investment and holiday home solution in Thailand - click for more information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Skallywag Posted February 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2023 Strange they had no fire sprinkler system in the rooms and hallways. Photo does not show any water spraying from above? 3 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letseng Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Skallywag said: Strange they had no fire sprinkler system in the rooms and hallways. Photo does not show any water spraying from above? If an older bldg there are no or often not working sprinklers. Depending on the fire a sprinkler may not help at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, Skallywag said: Strange they had no fire sprinkler system in the rooms and hallways. Photo does not show any water spraying from above? You wont find many (if any) condo buildings with sprinklers in Thailand. I come from Australia, and its not that common there either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelforbes Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: You wont find many (if any) condo buildings with sprinklers in Thailand. I come from Australia, and its not that common there either. They do exist, the 24 storey Floral Condo building in Chiang Mai has sprinklers and it's not at all new although it was constructed by a Japanese company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony M Posted February 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2023 We have sprinklers in Jomtien Beach Condo. Not only do we have them, they are tested regularly. The condo is 20 years old, so no reason why older buildings shouldn't also have sprinkler systems. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longwood50 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tony M said: We have sprinklers in Jomtien Beach Condo. Not only do we have them, they are tested regularly. The condo is 20 years old, so no reason why older buildings shouldn't also have sprinkler systems. Very simple cost of retrofit. Buildings in Thailand are for the most part cement. Unlike in the USA where you can take out drywall and put pipe in easily, I can't imagine the cost of attempting to retrofit pipe into the walls and ceilings made of cement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ezzra Posted February 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2023 Easier and quicker solution is to ban all cocking with gas in the building, it helps a lot... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dddave Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, Tony M said: We have sprinklers in Jomtien Beach Condo. Not only do we have them, they are tested regularly. The condo is 20 years old, so no reason why older buildings shouldn't also have sprinkler systems. I live at JBC also. Probably one of the better managed condos I've lived in. Not heavy handed but they keep the place in great condition and enforce sensible rules. Actually, more than 30 years old, built in the early 90's 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lopburi3 Posted February 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2023 37 minutes ago, Longwood50 said: I can't imagine the cost of attempting to retrofit pipe into the walls and ceilings made of cement. Why would they need to do that? Pipe can easily be attached to ceilings and walls. Much easier to fix a leak if exposed and much less change of driving a nail through it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 About 200 hundred people live in the condominium and most of them are foreigners. How is that relevant to anything? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dingdongrb Posted February 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, ezzra said: Easier and quicker solution is to ban all cocking with gas in the building, it helps a lot... I agree, leave all the 'cocking' at the go-go bars.... ???? 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallywag Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 According to google, Amazon Residence was completed in 2014. I live in a condo in south Pattaya that was completed in 2015 and it has a sprinkler system, so I had the idea that it was part of building code here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 4 hours ago, webfact said: Firefighters with multiple fire engines, the Pattaya City Police, the Pattaya Tourist Police, and the Pattaya News arrived at the scene shortly after the first phone calls from quick thinking condo guards came in. Did they help in any way? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Tony M said: We have sprinklers in Jomtien Beach Condo. Not only do we have them, they are tested regularly. The condo is 20 years old, so no reason why older buildings shouldn't also have sprinkler systems. Money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salerno Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Skallywag said: According to google, Amazon Residence was completed in 2014. I live in a condo in south Pattaya that was completed in 2015 and it has a sprinkler system, so I had the idea that it was part of building code here. Eight floors plus has supposed to have them since 1992 as I understand it. Edit: Yes, came in in 1992 under the Building Safety Control Act. A decade old article suggesting getting pre 1992 buildings up to code, at least in Bangkok https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30177440 Edited February 4, 2023 by Salerno 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longwood50 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 3 hours ago, lopburi3 said: Why would they need to do that? Pipe can easily be attached to ceilings and walls. Much easier to fix a leak if exposed and much less change of driving a nail through it. So you would propose having pipes affixed to the exterior walls and ceiling. Yes, you could do that but consider aesthetically what that would do to the hotel or condo. Also lets say the building is 5 to 10 stories. Just exactly how do you propose getting the water line from each story if it is not drilled through the ceiling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nong Khai Man Posted February 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2023 4 hours ago, ezzra said: Easier and quicker solution is to ban all cocking with gas in the building, it helps a lot... COCKING With Gas ??? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStar Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 29 minutes ago, Longwood50 said: So you would propose having pipes affixed to the exterior walls and ceiling. Yes, you could do that but consider aesthetically what that would do to the hotel or condo. Also lets say the building is 5 to 10 stories. Just exactly how do you propose getting the water line from each story if it is not drilled through the ceiling. Between lesser aesthetics and burning to death, I'll take the former, thank you. You enjoy the barbecue. Besides, some buildings could benefit from a bit of added character. But more than a decade ago, gov't building inspectors demanded our building install a sprinkler system. We did. Pipes run up through the same pipe channels used by the other water lines and sewage pipes, then above the hung ceilings to the sprinkler outlets. Made no difference whatsoever to the aesthetics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustThisOnePostOnly Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 4 hours ago, ezzra said: ban all cocking Solves the occupancy problem. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Longwood50 said: Yes, you could do that but consider aesthetically what that would do to the hotel or condo. I was in a hotel in Udon last week where electrics had been put in surface pipework and used as "Decor". Ball valves on the wall lights etc !!! Must admit, not to my taste. Edited February 4, 2023 by sandyf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 47 minutes ago, Longwood50 said: So you would propose having pipes affixed to the exterior walls and ceiling. Yes, you could do that but consider aesthetically what that would do to the hotel or condo. Also lets say the building is 5 to 10 stories. Just exactly how do you propose getting the water line from each story if it is not drilled through the ceiling. Why would anything be required on exterior walls? Buildings already have water and sewer lines inside and between floors and if new holes required it is not that hard to drill them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longwood50 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, BigStar said: Between lesser aesthetics and burning to death, I'll take the former, thank you. Well I agree with you regarding aesthetics and burning to death. However, this is Thailand. I seriously doubt that any retrofit here would be as aesthetically pleasing as done in another country. One way or another, sprinkling systems cost money. That money comes from someplace. If it is an apartment complex or hotel, they have set their rates in the past based on the capital they invested in the project, not with the anticipation of building a large sinking fund to pay for future major sprinkling system costs. If it is a condo, well now you have to get the approval of all of the condo owners for that retrofit. Once you have secured enough owners to authorize the retrofit, the tricky part comes. Getting the money from each condo owner to fund the project. There are many worthwhile projects here in Thailand and elsewhere. Improving the roads, traffic lights, and enforcement of traffic rules would likely save far more lives than those lost to fires. With that said, it is the same problem. $$$ and will. I might like to force all the people in Thailand to not throw trash outside their homes, on the street or burn rubbish but that ain't going to happen either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometime Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 5 hours ago, Peterw42 said: You wont find many (if any) condo buildings with sprinklers in Thailand. I come from Australia, and its not that common there either. View Talay Pattaya 2 B have sprinklers in all rooms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longwood50 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, lopburi3 said: Why would anything be required on exterior walls? Buildings already have water and sewer lines inside and between floors and if new holes required it is not that hard to drill them. Yes they do, however i am not sure that they are adequate in terms of flow to support a sprinkling system. Also those water lines are already hidden inside the walls. To hang a sprinkler it would likely require the plumbing to be exposed. You sure cant connect a fitting to a pipe through a 4 inch hole in the wall or ceiling. The existing pipes would have to be cut with some connector and pipe leading to the sprinklers. Even assuming that the retrofit could be accomplished there is still the issue of $$$. Who is going to pay for all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Full Agreement Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 5 hours ago, Tony M said: We have sprinklers in Jomtien Beach Condo. Not only do we have them, they are tested regularly. The condo is 20 years old, so no reason why older buildings shouldn't also have sprinkler systems. How are they tested? Are you referring to the bells and horns of the fire Alarm system being tested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longwood50 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, sandyf said: I was in a hotel in Udon last week where electrics had been put in surface pipework and used as "Decor". Ball valves on the wall lights etc !!! Must admit, not to my taste. Yes we added security cameras to our home. The only alternative was exterior wiring inside PVC. Cable TV was added. Hole was drilled from the ceiling with wire inside a PVC conduit to conceal it. Plumbing pipes. Great if installed when facility is under construction. Difficult, expensive, and likely very ugly as a retrofit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said: About 200 hundred people live in the condominium and most of them are foreigners. How is that relevant to anything? Quite a bit actually. Foreigners tend to surround themselves with more combustible material than Thais. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Longwood50 said: Plumbing pipes. Great if installed when facility is under construction. Difficult, expensive, and likely very ugly as a retrofit. When I said the electrics were in pipework, I meant metal plumbing pipes. Added a photo to the post. Edited February 4, 2023 by sandyf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony M Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, In Full Agreement said: How are they tested? Are you referring to the bells and horns of the fire Alarm system being tested? We have annual testing of fire appliances, attended by the Pattaya Fire Department, and the sprinklers are tested to ensure that they are in working order. Not all of them, of course, as that would be a wet weekend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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