Newsom threatens kidnapping charges after Florida dumps migrants at church

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California’s Democratic governor, Gavin Newsom, on Monday branded his rightwing Republican Florida counterpart, Ron DeSantis, a “small, pathetic man”, and appeared to threaten kidnapping charges for an episode in which a group of migrants was dumped at a Sacramento church.

 

Rob Bonta, California’s attorney general, said in a statement that 16 South Americans abandoned outside the Roman Catholic Diocese of Sacramento on Friday were “in possession of documentation purporting to be from the state of Florida”, and may have been duped into boarding charter flights via New Mexico after entering the US in Texas.

 

The episode has parallels to what critics called a similar “soulless” stunt orchestrated by DeSantis last year in which his administration abandoned several dozen mostly Venezuelan migrants in Martha’s Vineyard.

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/05/california-florida-migrants-sacramento

 

[Tug]

I don’t understand how DeSantis can use taxpayers money to gather migrants in another state and fly them to another state that seems kinda sketchy legally to me not to mention the morality of the deed.guess he needs attention geese  he’s one nasty piece of work 

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, Tug said:

I don’t understand how DeSantis can use taxpayers money to gather migrants in another state and fly them to another state that seems kinda sketchy legally to me not to mention the morality of the deed.guess he needs attention geese  he’s one nasty piece of work 

Taxpayer money is already used to feed and house illegal immigrants from the minute they cross the border until they leave.  DeSantis is just highlighting the hypocrisy of politicians whose words write checks that their actions can't pay for. 

 

Newsom declared California a "sanctuary state"- he shouldn't complain when people take him up on it. With the thousands of people leaving California every year, he should THANK DeSantis for helping to repopulate his state.

[Skipalongcassidy]

9 minutes ago, Tug said:

I don’t understand how DeSantis can use taxpayers money to gather migrants in another state and fly them to another state that seems kinda sketchy legally to me not to mention the morality of the deed.guess he needs attention geese  he’s one nasty piece of work 

But you do understand how Biden can spend taxpayers' money and send them to states that do not want them in the first place... all Desantis did was send them on to a professed sanctuary city so that they would be welcomed with open arms... and it's "jeez" not "geese".

Edited June 6, 2023 by Skipalongcassidy

[Bkk Brian]

Looks like they've started the dumping again. In the last attempt when they flew them to  Martha’s Vineyard, the sheriff there has just made this announcement:

 

A Texas sheriff’s department has recommended that the district attorney in Bexar County bring criminal charges over the first iteration of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ so-called migrant relocation program.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article276114271.html

[Tug]

13 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Taxpayer money is already used to feed and house illegal immigrants from the minute they cross the border until they leave.  DeSantis is just highlighting the hypocrisy of politicians whose words write checks that their actions can't pay for. 

 

Newsom declared California a "sanctuary state"- he shouldn't complain when people take him up on it. With the thousands of people leaving California every year, he should THANK DeSantis for helping to repopulate his state.

Dude my California propertys have been incredible investments in this state it absolutely reeks of money and success that beeing said you do have to work to keep up the slackers get weeded out quick the migrants you are referring to are asylum seekers the government has to respond within the laws on the books .it’s a slimy swampy attempt to get attention that’s DeSantis it’s what he does he’s another troll politician with authoritarian tendencies.a bit of a tidbit I saw on msm today the Florida taxpayers are on the hook for 16 million dollars pr year just to defend Ronnie’s sketchy laws

Edited June 6, 2023 by Tug

[Skipalongcassidy]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Looks like they've started the dumping again. In the last attempt when they flew them to  Martha’s Vineyard, the sheriff there has just made this announcement:

 

A Texas sheriff’s department has recommended that the district attorney in Bexar County bring criminal charges over the first iteration of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ so-called migrant relocation program.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article276114271.html

The sheriff can call for anything he wants... he's just wasting his breath... relocation of the unwanted migrants out of Florida breached no law... unlike the midnight flights by the Biden cartel smuggling them into states that do not want them... there are still States Rights in the USA 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

The sheriff can call for anything he wants... he's just wasting his breath... relocation of the unwanted migrants out of Florida breached no law... unlike the midnight flights by the Biden cartel smuggling them into states that do not want them... there are still States Rights in the USA 

Crystal ball time is it?

 

“The case filed includes both felony and misdemeanor charges of Unlawful Restraint,” according to the statement. “At this time, the case is being reviewed by the DA’s office. Once an update is available, it will be provided to the public.”

[Hanaguma]

11 minutes ago, Tug said:

Dude my California propertys have been incredible investments in this state it absolutely reeks of money and success that beeing said you do have to work to keep up the slackers get weeded out quick the migrants you are referring to are asylum seekers the government has to respond within the laws on the books .it’s a slimy swampy attempt to get attention that’s DeSantis it’s what he does he’s another troll politician with authoritarian tendencies.a bit of a tidbit I saw on msm today the Florida taxpayers are on the hook for 16 million dollars pr year just to defend Ronnie’s sketchy laws

Glad your real estate is doing well, we all need something to fall back on.

 

And yes, California DOES reek, but maybe not how you meant...

 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Glad your real estate is doing well, we all need something to fall back on.

 

And yes, California DOES reek, but maybe not how you meant...

 

Similar to Orlando

 

With rent rising in metro Orlando, homeless numbers are up, too

 

Actually if you go to any state in the US there are homeless.

[Tug]

34 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

The sheriff can call for anything he wants... he's just wasting his breath... relocation of the unwanted migrants out of Florida breached no law... unlike the midnight flights by the Biden cartel smuggling them into states that do not want them... there are still States Rights in the USA 

Ahh they weren’t in Florida he’s shopping for migrants to get attention hope that helps 

[Tug]

23 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Glad your real estate is doing well, we all need something to fall back on.

 

And yes, California DOES reek, but maybe not how you meant...

 

The example you provided could be any city in the country unfortunately it’s the exception not the rule I’m sure it’s been a problem throughout history a sad fact of life

[Hanaguma]

18 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Similar to Orlando

 

With rent rising in metro Orlando, homeless numbers are up, too

 

Actually if you go to any state in the US there are homeless.

No doubt. But I made no claim of Florida being such a paradise as the other poster did. In any case, the article you referenced stated that there were just over 2,000 homeless in the three counties of the metro Orlando area.  Just for contrast, San Francisco is in the 38,000 range.

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/the-ongoing-crisis-of-homelessness-in-the-bay-area-whats-working-whats-not

[EVENKEEL]

I'm sure the migrants jumped at the chance to be flown first class to CA.

[Bkk Brian]

56 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

No doubt. But I made no claim of Florida being such a paradise as the other poster did. In any case, the article you referenced stated that there were just over 2,000 homeless in the three counties of the metro Orlando area.  Just for contrast, San Francisco is in the 38,000 range.

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/the-ongoing-crisis-of-homelessness-in-the-bay-area-whats-working-whats-not

I don't see any claim by the poster to that affect of it being paradise. He only mentioned his real estate investments doing well. You decided to bring in the homeless for deflection.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Taxpayer money is already used to feed and house illegal immigrants from the minute they cross the border until they leave.  DeSantis is just highlighting the hypocrisy of politicians whose words write checks that their actions can't pay for. 

 

Newsom declared California a "sanctuary state"- he shouldn't complain when people take him up on it. With the thousands of people leaving California every year, he should THANK DeSantis for helping to repopulate his state.

If the State locks them up, then of course the State incurs the cost.

 

But why lock up people who want to work when the economy is short of workers?

 

This however is not the issue, DeSantis is engaged in people trafficking, good luck to Newsom bring the people trafficker to Justice.

 

 

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

The sheriff can call for anything he wants... he's just wasting his breath... relocation of the unwanted migrants out of Florida breached no law... unlike the midnight flights by the Biden cartel smuggling them into states that do not want them... there are still States Rights in the USA 

The immigrants weren't in Florida.  DeSantis used Florida taxpayer money to fly immigrants from Texas to California.  If the immigrants were lured onto the plane under false premises then laws were broken.

 

DeSantis is using Florida tax money to establish anti-immigrant cred as part of his Presidential campaign.  It that isn't illegal, it should be.

[ozimoron]

4 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

But you do understand how Biden can spend taxpayers' money and send them to states that do not want them in the first place... all Desantis did was send them on to a professed sanctuary city so that they would be welcomed with open arms... and it's "jeez" not "geese".

Many of them went back to florida to help fix up storm damage and work as low paid labor for rich people.

[ozimoron]

Republicans literally beg migrants not to leave Florida over DeSantis anti-immigration law

 

"I'm a farmer, and the farmers are mad as hell. We are losing employees.

 

An NPR analysis determined that the law signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) "limits social services for undocumented immigrants, allocates millions more tax dollars to expand DeSantis' migrant relocation program, invalidates driver's licenses issued to undocumented people by other states, and requires hospitals that get Medicaid dollars to ask for a patient's immigration status."

 

https://www.rawstory.com/ron-desantis-immigration-law/

[EVENKEEL]

15 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Many of them went back to florida to help fix up storm damage and work as low paid labor for rich people.

Please give some substantial evidence of your claim. Yep, just trolling.

[Hanaguma]

18 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Republicans literally beg migrants not to leave Florida over DeSantis anti-immigration law

 

"I'm a farmer, and the farmers are mad as hell. We are losing employees.

 

An NPR analysis determined that the law signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) "limits social services for undocumented immigrants, allocates millions more tax dollars to expand DeSantis' migrant relocation program, invalidates driver's licenses issued to undocumented people by other states, and requires hospitals that get Medicaid dollars to ask for a patient's immigration status."

 

https://www.rawstory.com/ron-desantis-immigration-law/

Why is any of this bad? Illegal aliens shouldn't have driver's licenses, nor should they be a burden on the public health system.  They should be going home. 

[ozimoron]

13 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Please give some substantial evidence of your claim. Yep, just trolling.

Rebuilding communities after natural disasters has largely become the role of migrant workers. But they’re often taken advantage of by untrustworthy recruiters, have their wages stolen, and work under dangerous conditions. Many are undocumented and, as a result, make less money on average; at the height of the Katrina rebuild, undocumented workers earned $10 per hour compared to $16 for those who were documented.

 

https://www.fastcompany.com/90794216/desantis-didnt-want-migrants-in-florida-now-theyre-helping-rebuild-the-state

 

https://www.tampabay.com/hurricane/2022/11/11/migrant-workers-leave-florida-ian-cleanup/

 

Later in the news conference, CNN’s Boris Sanchez asked DeSantis whether he had any response to reports that Venezuelans in New York were being recruited to work on recovery efforts, and whether the governor would also be trying to send those migrants back north.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/06/us/migrant-workers-hurricane-ian-response-cec/index.html

 

 

Edited June 6, 2023 by ozimoron

[Hanaguma]

23 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Rebuilding communities after natural disasters has largely become the role of migrant workers. But they’re often taken advantage of by untrustworthy recruiters, have their wages stolen, and work under dangerous conditions. Many are undocumented and, as a result, make less money on average; at the height of the Katrina rebuild, undocumented workers earned $10 per hour compared to $16 for those who were documented.

 

https://www.fastcompany.com/90794216/desantis-didnt-want-migrants-in-florida-now-theyre-helping-rebuild-the-state

 

https://www.tampabay.com/hurricane/2022/11/11/migrant-workers-leave-florida-ian-cleanup/

 

Later in the news conference, CNN’s Boris Sanchez asked DeSantis whether he had any response to reports that Venezuelans in New York were being recruited to work on recovery efforts, and whether the governor would also be trying to send those migrants back north.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/06/us/migrant-workers-hurricane-ian-response-cec/index.html

 

 

...all of which are good reasons why illegal aliens should be deported.  Pay Americans and legal residents fair wages to do the work.  Do some actual real work on reforming the immigration system, perhaps by implementing a guest worker program out of the various consulates and embassies abroad.

[ozimoron]

Just now, Hanaguma said:

...all of which are good reasons why illegal aliens should be deported.  Pay Americans and legal residents fair wages to do the work.  Do some actual real work on reforming the immigration system, perhaps by implementing a guest worker program out of the various consulates and embassies abroad.

They won't, any more than they will pick watermelons. Republicans are hugely against minimum wage increases.

Edited June 6, 2023 by ozimoron

[Hanaguma]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

They won't, any more than they will pick watermelons. Republicans are hugely against minimum wage increases.

Yes they will. This is just a shibboleth that insults Americans' integrity and work ethic.  Unfortunately employers have gotten lazy and taken the easy road, which is using illegal labour.  Low pay and bad conditions.  Americans do plenty of "dirty jobs" from trash collection to sewer repair. No reason they won't do these jobs as well, as long as the pay is fair.   The majority of illegal immigrants work in the service and construction industries anyway, not in agriculture. These are jobs that millions of Americans already do. 

[candide]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes they will. This is just a shibboleth that insults Americans' integrity and work ethic.  Unfortunately employers have gotten lazy and taken the easy road, which is using illegal labour.  Low pay and bad conditions.  Americans do plenty of "dirty jobs" from trash collection to sewer repair. No reason they won't do these jobs as well, as long as the pay is fair.   The majority of illegal immigrants work in the service and construction industries anyway, not in agriculture. These are jobs that millions of Americans already do. 

As often when sources are not cited, It's not true!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

 

Additionally, unemployment is low in the U.S. and It's not obvious at all that enough unemployed people would be able to take over these jobs, even better paid, because they don't want to move from their hometown, because they are not physically apt or hard-working enough, or simply are not reliable enough for any job.

 

It is also not likely that customers (US or export) are willing to pay higher prices because of higher wages.

[Hanaguma]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

As often when sources are not cited, It's not true!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

 

Additionally, unemployment is low in the U.S. and It's not obvious at all that enough unemployed people would be able to take over these jobs, even better paid, because they don't want to move from their hometown, because they are not physically apt or hard-working enough, or simply are not reliable enough for any job.

 

It is also not likely that customers (US or export) are willing to pay higher prices because of higher wages.

I foolishly believed the Center for American Progress...

https://www.americanprogress.org/press/release-millions-undocumented-immigrants-essential-americas-recovery-new-report-shows/

 

[Hanaguma]

According to cbs news, there are more than 7 million working age men slacking off and not working.  They could easily fill these jobs given the right incentive.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/men-workforce-work-companies-struggle-fill-jobs-manufacturing/

 

Add, as I said before, a workable guest worker program and things could go a long way to getting better. But letting people rush the border and scatter is not good for the economy, nor is it good for the people doing it. 

[EVENKEEL]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Rebuilding communities after natural disasters has largely become the role of migrant workers. But they’re often taken advantage of by untrustworthy recruiters, have their wages stolen, and work under dangerous conditions. Many are undocumented and, as a result, make less money on average; at the height of the Katrina rebuild, undocumented workers earned $10 per hour compared to $16 for those who were documented.

 

https://www.fastcompany.com/90794216/desantis-didnt-want-migrants-in-florida-now-theyre-helping-rebuild-the-state

 

https://www.tampabay.com/hurricane/2022/11/11/migrant-workers-leave-florida-ian-cleanup/

 

Later in the news conference, CNN’s Boris Sanchez asked DeSantis whether he had any response to reports that Venezuelans in New York were being recruited to work on recovery efforts, and whether the governor would also be trying to send those migrants back north.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/06/us/migrant-workers-hurricane-ian-response-cec/index.html

 

 

What's wrong with min wage for migrants.

[candide]

6 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I foolishly believed the Center for American Progress...

https://www.americanprogress.org/press/release-millions-undocumented-immigrants-essential-americas-recovery-new-report-shows/

 

Well, estimations may vary. In this study, farming jobs still represent 29%, higher than other categories.

Also note what the authors cared to comment:

"The undocumented agricultural workforce

This analysis uses data from the U.S. Census Bureau’s American Community Survey (ACS), and there is an important item to note about the survey with respect to agricultural workers. The ACS is administered throughout the year, which poses difficulty for capturing highly seasonal work such as agriculture. Depending on the time of year a respondent completes the survey, the ACS likely undercounts the actual number of workers in the sector. Combined with the ACS’ difficulty in measuring certain populations, including undocumented immigrants, the estimate of undocumented farmworkers presented here is likely to be lower than reality.9 To that account, the most recent U.S. Department of Agriculture Census of Agriculture estimates that there are 2.4 million farmworkers in the United States, compared with the ACS’ estimate of 1.6 million, and the U.S. Department of Labor’s National Agricultural Workers Survey finds that 49 percent of workers in the field are undocumented.10"

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/protecting-undocumented-workers-pandemics-front-lines-2/