Could Trump go to prison and other key questions

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Former US President Donald Trump has been indicted in connection with the events surrounding the 6 January 2021 riots at the US Capitol.

The Republican politician denies wrongdoing and has described the case as "ridiculous".

He has already been charged in two other cases - with mishandling classified files and falsifying business records to cover up a hush-money payment to a porn star.

Here are some of the key questions surrounding the case.

What are the charges?

Mr Trump, who lost the 2020 presidential election to Democrat Joe Biden, has been charged with plotting to overturn his defeat.

He is accused of four counts:

 

• conspiracy to defraud the US
• conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding
• obstruction of an official proceeding
• conspiracy against the rights of citizens

 

These charges relate to Mr Trump's actions over a period of more than two months from soon after election day (3 November) until the day he left the White House on 20 January.

The first count refers to alleged attempts to obstruct the collection, counting and certification of votes.

The second and third deal with alleged attempts to obstruct the certification of electoral college votes in the US Congress on 6 January, which culminated in the Capitol riots.

The fourth charge is about alleged attempts to interfere with citizens' right to vote and to have their votes counted.

 

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How serious are the charges compared to other indictments ?

What happens next ?

Could Trump go to prison and still run for President ?

Could Trump pardon himself ?

 

[pegman]

Could and will

[Skipalongcassidy]

Firstly I preface that Trump is a narcissistic fraud on many levels... however there has never been a more lurid witch hunt since the early days of Salem.  

 

If I still gave a hoot about the USA and its politics like so many of you seem to... I would be more concerned about the current administrations' problems and instead of finger pointing and blaming their failures on someone else... would really do something to better life for all American citizens... seems that many of you cannot let go and move on. 

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

If I still gave a hoot about the USA and its politics like so many of you seem to... I would be more concerned about the current administrations' problems

But that's the whole point.

 

It's a massive deflection away from the failings of the current administration. A massive deflection away from Joe Biden's declining cognitive functioning and his son's debauchery. "Hey, look over there at the bad guy".

 

Meanwhile...   https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/01/business/fitch-downgrade-us-debt/index.html 

[Tug]

6 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Firstly I preface that Trump is a narcissistic fraud on many levels... however there has never been a more lurid witch hunt since the early days of Salem.  

 

If I still gave a hoot about the USA and its politics like so many of you seem to... I would be more concerned about the current administrations' problems and instead of finger pointing and blaming their failures on someone else... would really do something to better life for all American citizens... seems that many of you cannot let go and move on. 

Ya that current administration ho ho really can’t you do better than that lol the current administration has made remarkable progress on many issues trump on the other hand may finally for the first time in his privileged life have to face consequences for his actions I hope he does time serious time a good long stretch if he dies there so what 

[LosLobo]

21 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

But that's the whole point.

 

It's a massive deflection away from the failings of the current administration. A massive deflection away from Joe Biden's declining cognitive functioning and his son's debauchery. "Hey, look over there at the bad guy".

 

Meanwhile...   https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/01/business/fitch-downgrade-us-debt/index.html 

Yet, the topic is Trump going to prison!

Edited August 3, 2023 by LosLobo

[ozimoron]

Given how many people went to jail for Jan 6 and blamed Trump for sending them there I think it's a foregone conclusion.

[bendejo]

Yes.  Unfortunately he may not get locked up until 2029, after the 2028 elections.  Or he'll manage to keep the thing under appeal until he is in the ground next to Ivana.  If he dies before this is settled he wins. 

Man oh man, can you imagine the lunatics who will claim to be in touch with him after death?

A lot of people will not like hearing this, and I wish it wasn't so, but that's how these things work.  Think of it this way: before Smith took this case (in 2022) he was working on something that happened in the 1990s. 

But in terms of entertainment that orange countenance will be part of US media for the rest of this decade.  That's show biz!

 

Edited August 3, 2023 by bendejo

[LosLobo]

20 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Yes.  Unfortunately he may not get locked up until 2029, after the 2028 elections.  Or he'll manage to keep the thing under appeal until he is in the ground next to Ivana.  If he dies before this is settled he wins. 

Man oh man, can you imagine the lunatics who will claim to be in touch with him after death?

A lot of people will not like hearing this, and I wish it wasn't so, but that's how these things work.  Think of it this way: before Smith took this case (in 2022) he was working on something that happened in the 1990s. 

But in terms of entertainment that orange countenance will be part of US media for the rest of this decade.  That's show biz!

 

Your comment about Trump after death is not that far-fetched..

 

The Evangelicals who comprise a large part of his base truly believe that he is the Messiah.

 

Trump is now engrained into the far-right American Republican Christian psyche.

 

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[bendejo]

23 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Your comment about Trump after death is not that far-fetched..

 

The Evangelicals who comprise a large part of his base truly believe that he is the Messiah.

 

Trump is now engrained into the far-right American Republican Christian psyche.

 

Donald Trump arrest prompts Jesus comparisons (archive.md)

Thanks for that.  Also makes similar connection to show biz.

Something religion and politics have in common is you can't see them, and also they both have adopted "show biz" tactics into their product.  Unfortunately both attract some rascally sorts.

Was wondering the other day when crucifixion depictions would appear.  Sounds like they're in the works.  And NFTs, of course.

 

[LosLobo]

34 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Thanks for that.  Also makes similar connection to show biz.

Something religion and politics have in common is you can't see them, and also they both have adopted "show biz" tactics into their product.  Unfortunately both attract some rascally sorts.

Was wondering the other day when crucifixion depictions would appear.  Sounds like they're in the works.  And NFTs, of course.

 

'Unfortunately both attract some rascally sorts'.

 

Seems the US is a breeding ground for these quasi-religious cults.

 

This one has so many parallels with David Koresh and even Jim Jones. I hope it doesn't end as tragically as those, though events can be so unpredictable with this phenomenon.

 

The best outcome for the US and the rest of the world would be if Trump is permanently out of politics.

Edited August 3, 2023 by LosLobo

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Firstly I preface that Trump is a narcissistic fraud on many levels... however there has never been a more lurid witch hunt since the early days of Salem.  

 

If I still gave a hoot about the USA and its politics like so many of you seem to... I would be more concerned about the current administrations' problems and instead of finger pointing and blaming their failures on someone else... would really do something to better life for all American citizens... seems that many of you cannot let go and move on. 

You just did that finger pointing deflection thing you complain about while demonstrating you actually do give a hoot about that which you say you don’t.

 

All in so few words.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

But that's the whole point.

 

It's a massive deflection away from the failings of the current administration. A massive deflection away from Joe Biden's declining cognitive functioning and his son's debauchery. "Hey, look over there at the bad guy".

 

Meanwhile...   https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/01/business/fitch-downgrade-us-debt/index.html 

Your best attempt at ‘a massive deflection’ of the day today.

 

But there’s still time for more.

 

 

[Neeranam]

2 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Firstly I preface that Trump is a narcissistic fraud on many levels... however there has never been a more lurid witch hunt since the early days of Salem.  

 

If I still gave a hoot about the USA and its politics like so many of you seem to... I would be more concerned about the current administrations' problems and instead of finger pointing and blaming their failures on someone else... would really do something to better life for all American citizens... seems that many of you cannot let go and move on. 

good post

[Neeranam]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

But that's the whole point.

 

It's a massive deflection away from the failings of the current administration. A massive deflection away from Joe Biden's declining cognitive functioning and his son's debauchery. "Hey, look over there at the bad guy".

 

Meanwhile...   https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/01/business/fitch-downgrade-us-debt/index.html 

indeed, good post

[Neeranam]

One thing to bear in mind, Trump, unlike others I could mention, is not after financial gain, he is a billionaire already. 

These claims are purely to stop him winning the next election, and is obvious to any impartial bystander. 

[Bkk Brian]

30 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

One thing to bear in mind, Trump, unlike others I could mention, is not after financial gain, he is a billionaire already. 

These claims are purely to stop him winning the next election, and is obvious to any impartial bystander. 

Here's an idea then, let Trump sell one of his own golf course so he can pay his legal fees rather than relying on his grassroot supporters to pay them.

 

 

Edited August 3, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Firstly I preface that Trump is a narcissistic fraud on many levels... however there has never been a more lurid witch hunt since the early days of Salem.  

 

If I still gave a hoot about the USA and its politics like so many of you seem to... I would be more concerned about the current administrations' problems and instead of finger pointing and blaming their failures on someone else... would really do something to better life for all American citizens... seems that many of you cannot let go and move on. 

Your first assertion about Trump is commendable.

 

Nevertheless it adds no weight, justification or evidence to support your opinion that there is a 'witchhunt' of any kind, except for the GOP's current attack on Biden.

 

Your not giving a 'hoot' likewise to your opinion of the current administration. The only failures are possibly the kid gloves treatment afforded to Trump and for not putting him in jail earlier. Any other criminal defendant in the US would be in jail after indictment pending trial.

[Neeranam]

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here's an idea then, let Trump sell one of his own golf course so he can pay his legal fees rather than relying on his grassroots supports to pay them.

 

 

Have you ever played on them, they are awesome, well the one at Balmedie beach is, I was there 3 months ago. 

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

One thing to bear in mind, Trump, unlike others I could mention, is not after financial gain, he is a billionaire already. 

These claims are purely to stop him winning the next election, and is obvious to any impartial bystander. 

Not after financial gain yet he didn't put his business in a blind trust. And after he got into office Mar a Lago raised it's membership fee from $100,000 to $300,000.

[Davidlong]

5 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Firstly I preface that Trump is a narcissistic fraud on many levels... however there has never been a more lurid witch hunt since the early days of Salem.  

 

If I still gave a hoot about the USA and its politics like so many of you seem to... I would be more concerned about the current administrations' problems and instead of finger pointing and blaming their failures on someone else... would really do something to better life for all American citizens... seems that many of you cannot let go and move on. 

Exactly, you're totally right

[bendejo]

There's lots in the news lately about state Republican parties going bankrupt (here's a taste) .

If you've had the stomach to watch the DT roadshow after January 2021 you've heard him tell his fans to NOT send their $$$ to the Republican Party, but to address the payments to him, personally.  And then there is the costs of the recounts, legal fees, and whatever other excuses they come up with to justify feeding at the trough. 

Minnesota GOP’s latest Federal Election Commission filing said it had less than $54 cash on hand.

 

If and when all this MAGA mess to pass I could see various GOP chapters lining up with lawsuits against him and his.  Even if he dies before it's settled they can still go after the organization he leaves behind.  Hey Don Jr and Eric, get him to shut up about E.Jean, that's your inheritance he's yapping away at!

 

[youreavinalaff]

16 hours ago, Tug said:

Ya that current administration ho ho really can’t you do better than that lol the current administration has made remarkable progress on many issues trump on the other hand may finally for the first time in his privileged life have to face consequences for his actions I hope he does time serious time a good long stretch if he dies there so what 

And.....breathe.

[bamnutsak]

There are mandatory sentencing guidelines but I can see a judge making exceptions for a (by then) nearly 80 year old ex-president by allowing him to serve his sentence under house arrest.

 

 

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

On 8/3/2023 at 10:15 AM, LosLobo said:

The Evangelicals who comprise a large part of his base truly believe that he is the Messiah.

 

Trump is now engrained into the far-right American Republican Christian psyche.

I am a Christian (a practising Catholic); the far-right American Republican Christian psyche is about as far removed from the basic tenets of Our Lords teachings as it is possible to get.

 

Put bluntly, they are in political, moral and religious terms, utterly barking!

Edited August 4, 2023 by herfiehandbag