So a series of new polls are showing a mind blowing shift in the perception the American electorate has of Israel. And we're not talking about Democrats, but the electorate in general.

There has been roughly a 67% swing from positive to negative in 8 years. Sixtyseven!

That's what you get when your country is lead by an arrogant POS who's government contains psychotic killers omitting ethnic cleansing on certain ethnic groups.

Israel used to be the good guys, and it was easy to root for them given their history and the fact that Israel was (and to a certain extent it) a democratic island in a sea of autocratic regimes.

And still they've managed to p**s it all away in a few decades.

No, I won’t walk with Israel.

Instead I sit, a weighted blanket

over my heart, grief

stitched through each square.

You embarrass me.

You anger me.

You shame me.

Sixty thousand walked today,

fewer than the children murdered by your silence

their voices, our haunting, our inheritance.

We should be walking for Sam Fahd Abou Haikal,

Hind Rami Iyad Rajab, Maysa Mahmoud Farid Zarab,

but instead you lead us

towards the next Nuremberg trials.

How can we share the same history?

How can you refuse to see the human.

Must we wait for revised textbooks

before the dead become visible?

I am an empty cup,

worn thin as a river stone.

I have tried compassion, reason, patience,

kneeling in prayer with you.

I have read your perspectives

and swum in your algorithms.

I have protested, sat in grief circles.

I have engaged in hard conversations,

held my tongue and searched for the right words.

I have tried to find the shadow

before the fear. Dayenu.

Do you condemn

the largest orphan crisis in history

Do you condemn

entire communities being erased

in our name.

I read Ordinary Men at sixteen.

Too young, perhaps,

to study how people learn

to look away.

Too young to understand

that my ancestors were not far away.

They were in the forests,

in the pits, in piles

in the silences between pages.

I thought I was studying history,

I did not know

I was studying us.

[For those who don’t know it, Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland, Christopher R. Browning, 2017.]

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

No, I won’t walk with Israel.

Instead I sit, a weighted blanket

over my heart, grief

stitched through each square.

You embarrass me.

You anger me.

You shame me.

Sixty thousand walked today,

fewer than the children murdered by your silence

their voices, our haunting, our inheritance.

We should be walking for Sam Fahd Abou Haikal,

Hind Rami Iyad Rajab, Maysa Mahmoud Farid Zarab,

but instead you lead us

towards the next Nuremberg trials.

How can we share the same history?

How can you refuse to see the human.

Must we wait for revised textbooks

before the dead become visible?

I am an empty cup,

worn thin as a river stone.

I have tried compassion, reason, patience,

kneeling in prayer with you.

I have read your perspectives

and swum in your algorithms.

I have protested, sat in grief circles.

I have engaged in hard conversations,

held my tongue and searched for the right words.

I have tried to find the shadow

before the fear. Dayenu.

Do you condemn

the largest orphan crisis in history

Do you condemn

entire communities being erased

in our name.

I read Ordinary Men at sixteen.

Too young, perhaps,

to study how people learn

to look away.

Too young to understand

that my ancestors were not far away.

They were in the forests,

in the pits, in piles

in the silences between pages.

I thought I was studying history,

I did not know

I was studying us.

[For those who don’t know it, Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland, Christopher R. Browning, 2017.]

You wrote that?

Israel has descended from a widely liked and respected nation into a pariah state where very few around the world are able to muster up sympathy for their cause. They have no doubt become the new terrorist state in the Middle East demonstrating vast amounts of moral bankruptcy and ethical depravity.

For those of us with fairly objective minds especially those of us that are Jewish, it is a frightening and horrific thing to witness Israel's descent into a nation that has seemingly lost all recollection of the lessons learned during the Holocaust.

I truly believe that Israel is digging its own grave and that there is a strong possibility that within the next 20 to 30 years the nation may cease to exist.

Just now, Jingthing said:

You wrote that?

Didn't you see the attribution at the bottom? I wish I was capable of writing something that eloquent and truthful.

You can be a Zionist and also oppose Netanyahu.

He is not Israel.

Am Yisrael Chai.

You want an example of a snowflake culture? You want an example of a nation that is the world's greatest victim? You want an example of absolute moral depravity and ethical bankruptcy?

Israeli Culture Minister Miki Zohar has threatened to strip filmmakers Yuval Abraham and Rachel Szor of their citizenship after the two won a special jury prize at the Venice Film Festival for a documentary about Israeli airstrikes killing Palestinian civilians in Gaza.

The film, called "NAZA" — a Hebrew acronym said to be used for counting the estimated number of civilians to be killed in a military strike — contains interviews with Israeli intelligence operatives behind the attacks.

Israel's military denies deliberately targeting civilians.

Zohar said Abraham and Szor were "willing to harm their homeland in order just to get applause from antisemites around the world."

"I will act immediately to revoke the Israeli citizenship of these despicable creators for treason against the state," Zohar wrote on X.

For "NAZA," Abraham and Szor spoke to 24 Israeli military or intelligence personnel in nighttime interviews on rooftops in Tel Aviv.

Those interviewed gave details on the AI-powered targeting systems used to bombard Gaza in Israel's offensive in retaliation for the Hamas-led attacks of October 7, 2023, which killed around 1,200 people in Israel.

According to figures by Gaza officials, which are considered to be broadly reliable by the UN, more than 73,000 Palestinian people, including 20,000 children, have been killed in Israeli attacks since the operation began.

Abraham said "the Israeli intelligence officers we spoke with talked to us about how this mass killing is systemic: not by accident, but by design, actions of murder and policies that are based on the total dehumanization of Palestinians."

https://www.dw.com/en/israeli-minister-accuses-naza-filmmakers-of-treason/a-79255860

32 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

You want an example of a snowflake culture? You want an example of a nation that is the world's greatest victim? You want an example of absolute moral depravity and ethical bankruptcy?

Israeli Culture Minister Miki Zohar has threatened to strip filmmakers Yuval Abraham and Rachel Szor of their citizenship after the two won a special jury prize at the Venice Film Festival for a documentary about Israeli airstrikes killing Palestinian civilians in Gaza.

The film, called "NAZA" — a Hebrew acronym said to be used for counting the estimated number of civilians to be killed in a military strike — contains interviews with Israeli intelligence operatives behind the attacks.

Israel's military denies deliberately targeting civilians.

Zohar said Abraham and Szor were "willing to harm their homeland in order just to get applause from antisemites around the world."

"I will act immediately to revoke the Israeli citizenship of these despicable creators for treason against the state," Zohar wrote on X.

For "NAZA," Abraham and Szor spoke to 24 Israeli military or intelligence personnel in nighttime interviews on rooftops in Tel Aviv.

Those interviewed gave details on the AI-powered targeting systems used to bombard Gaza in Israel's offensive in retaliation for the Hamas-led attacks of October 7, 2023, which killed around 1,200 people in Israel.

According to figures by Gaza officials, which are considered to be broadly reliable by the UN, more than 73,000 Palestinian people, including 20,000 children, have been killed in Israeli attacks since the operation began.

Abraham said "the Israeli intelligence officers we spoke with talked to us about how this mass killing is systemic: not by accident, but by design, actions of murder and policies that are based on the total dehumanization of Palestinians."

https://www.dw.com/en/israeli-minister-accuses-naza-filmmakers-of-treason/a-79255860

Shouldn't be revoking citizenships regardless.

I hope to see Naza and also the current season of Fauda.

Some commentators say Fauda is more accurate.

@spidermike007

Well put, Sir, and no doubt the up and coming elections will be pivotal for Israel on the fate of this current Israeli Government, the politics of all the Countries who support them hopefully will change for the better too.

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

@spidermike007

Well put, Sir, and no doubt the up and coming elections will be pivotal for Israel on the fate of this current Israeli Government, the politics of all the Countries who support them hopefully will change for the better too.

D

Something I think we all can agree on.

Dump Bibi.

Troll post removed @Tourist2 if you claim once more that posters are paid to post on this forum, expect a time out. The rules apply to everyone, including you!

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

D

Something I think we all can agree on.

Dump Bibi.

It would certainly help, but there needs to be complete change right across the piece, right across the board, all sides, this cannot go on forever, to many lives lost.

I'd love to be more optimistic, but I think that after nearly 80 years of on and off conflict has ingrained it into the younger generations of both sides, standard procedure would be buffer zones eventually, then again how many years of negotiation will that take to get too, we'll be lucky to see an end in our lifetime, sadly. We live in hope.

Turkey says Israeli citizens led alleged $3 billion international investment fraud network

We still don't know where all the money flowing into Epstein's 16 year old "handjobs for Israel" blackmail operation ❓

But I suspect Turkey has stumbled upon the motherlode of the source of the corruption.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

You wrote that?

Written by Karine Silverwoman June 7 2026 , posted on Instagram

Watch out BLMFem. The next thing you'll be saying is "Free Palestine" after which Ed Sheeran won't let you buy his music anymore. Omg - "The Horror!"

27 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

It would certainly help, but there needs to be complete change right across the piece, right across the board, all sides, this cannot go on forever, to many lives lost.

I'd love to be more optimistic, but I think that after nearly 80 years of on and off conflict has ingrained it into the younger generations of both sides, standard procedure would be buffer zones eventually, then again how many years of negotiation will that take to get too, we'll be lucky to see an end in our lifetime, sadly. We live in hope.

No hope of that.

Don't be daft.

26 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Turkey says Israeli citizens led alleged $3 billion international investment fraud network

We still don't know where all the money flowing into Epstein's 16 year old "handjobs for Israel" blackmail operation ❓

But I suspect Turkey has stumbled upon the motherlode of the source of the corruption.

I wouldn't trust what Turkiye says as far as the cranberry sauce.

5 minutes ago, connda said:

Watch out BLMFem. The next thing you'll be saying is "Free Palestine" after which Ed Sheeran won't let you buy his music anymore. Omg - "The Horror!"

Post truth world suits you well.

3 hours ago, BLMFem said:

So a series of new polls are showing a mind blowing shift in the perception the American electorate has of Israel. And we're not talking about Democrats, but the electorate in general.

There has been roughly a 67% swing from positive to negative in 8 years. Sixtyseven!

That's what you get when your country is lead by an arrogant POS who's government contains psychotic killers omitting ethnic cleansing on certain ethnic groups.

Israel used to be the good guys, and it was easy to root for them given their history and the fact that Israel was (and to a certain extent it) a democratic island in a sea of autocratic regimes.

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And still they've managed to p**s it all away in a few decades.

I think The Staggering Damage Netanyahu Has Done To Palestine would also make a good topic.

10 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

I think The Staggering Damage Netanyahu Has Done To Palestine would also make a good topic.

There have been some excellent videos of rockets hitting tents in Gaza , posted in other threads , spidermike has posted some great photos as well

26 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No hope of that.

Don't be daft.

Not dismissing I might be daft, it's just a suggestion, have you not got any ideas?

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Not dismissing I might be daft, it's just a suggestion, have you not got any ideas?

None.

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

None.

I should clarify.

I came to this conclusion of no hope after watching countless hours of interviews with randim Israelis and Palestinians on the The Ask Project youtube channel. The channel creator feels that way as well.

Doesn't prove that we're both right. But don't look to me for me for any magical ideas.

32 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

There have been some excellent videos of rockets hitting tents in Gaza , posted in other threads , spidermike has posted some great photos as well

Your mask is slipping more and more each day Nick. Not that it was ever very much of a mask to be fair.

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

Your mask is slipping more and more each day Nick. Not that it was ever very much of a mask to be fair.

I've alwys been in favour of Israel winning the war .

I've always wanted Palestine defeated , nothings changed in that department

It’s not all down to Bibi.

Israel has always been this way, it was better at controlling the narrative historically.

There is just too much evidence now for that.

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I should clarify.

I came to this conclusion of no hope after watching countless hours of interviews with randim Israelis and Palestinians on the The Ask Project youtube channel. The channel creator feels that way as well.

Doesn't prove that we're both right. But don't look to me for me for any magical ideas.

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I've alwys been in favour of Israel winning the war .

I've always wanted Palestine defeated , nothings changed in that department

Credit to you both for being honest, I think , both answers are so depressing for Humanity,

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Credit to you both for being honest, I think , both answers are so depressing for Humanity,

Reality is that way quite often.
Frankly I think it's insane right now to be specifcially focused on the Palestinians.

I believe World War 3 has already started, the risk of nuclear winter is higher than it's been since the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the threat of AI based human extinction within two to ten years is very possible.

Off topic you might say, but arguably obsessing about Palestine is like focusing on a hang nail during a heart attack.

Hyperbole / fear mongering many would say.

That's what most people were telling me ten years ago when I correctly realized the danger of Trump coming to power.

Have a nice evening!

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by Jingthing

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Reality is that way quite often.
Frankly I think it's insane right now to be specifcially focused on the Palestinians.

I believe World War 3 has already started, the risk of nuclear winter is higher than it's been since the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the threat of AI based human extinction within two to ten years is very possible.

Off topic you might say, but arguably obsessing about Palestine is like focusing on a hang nail during a heart attack.

Hyperbole / fear mongering many would say.

That's what most people were telling me ten years ago when I correctly realized the danger of Trump coming to power.

Have a nice evening!

Thanks, you too, pot of tea and a good film.

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You can be a Zionist and also oppose Netanyahu.

He is not Israel.

Am Yisrael Chai.

Yeah, no.

That's BS.

He is what Israel has been for a very long time now.

I feel sorry for you on here 24/7 defending Israel and dancing around it by saying you don't support Netanyahu.