Birth In The Uk

[WOODERSON]

Hey guys,

Need a bit of a quick reponse on this one if possible since time is of the essence. The situation is this;

Me and my Thai wife have been together for a year now, spent about 4months of that time living together and got married about a month ago in Thailand. She also came to England for 3 weeks on a tourist visa a few months back. We are expecting a baby in 4months, the plan up until now was that I would continue working in London and she would have the baby in Thailand, then when the baby was old enough they would both come and join me and we would all live together in the UK (my wife on a settlement visa).

I'm not sure if any of you have experienced such a situation but not being there to help and look after her during this time is extremely hard. I'm not in a position to give up work and go there since we need to get some money together for the future and mortgage commitments etc, so I am wandering what the possiblities are for her to come to the uk to have the baby. Obviously there is not enough time to wait for a settlement visa application to process (up to 3months) since it isn't safe for her to fly that late into the pregnancy, so a tourist visa would be the only option. Has anyone any idea of the chances of a successful application based on these facts considering I could prove that I have the necessary funds to cover all medical bills. Does anyone know how much this would be roughly and could it be covered by my work Family Bupa scheme?

Other points of interest, we are both in our 20's, I own my own flat in London and have a well paid job.

Any advice on how to approach the embassy with this seeing as everything will need to be done in the next month for any chance of us being together during this important time?

[eric1000]

my guess is that the british embassy would be unmoved by your story so dont expect any favourable treatment in order to get her a visa to come to the UK to have the baby .

they would prolly ask you to provide DNA proof that you are the father !

they would also see it as a ruse to get around their system .

wish i could be more encouraging but cases i heard of similar to yours dont bode well .

my neighbour brought his thai wife over on a 3 month visa , she got pregnant in the UK

and she had to go back home despite that fact ...they wouldnt allow her to stay to have the baby ..

as you may know muslim terrorists agitators , asylum seekers and other assorted scum from around the world get favourable treatment from the foreign office .

[WOODERSON]

So it looks like it's not even worth applying then. It really is a sorry state of affairs when my wife can't come to my country to have our baby! Man, what happened to this country!?!?

[Richard W]

So it looks like it's not even worth applying then. It really is a sorry state of affairs when my wife can't come to my country to have our baby! Man, what happened to this country!?!?

It was too embarrassed to bring in a law saying <deleted> can't bring in <deleted> - that would have been too clearly racialist. I'm not sure if the law was intended to reduce secondary immigration or just to prevent stories about immigrants jumping housing queues and claiming benefits. The net result is that the only way to avoid queues is have a non-UK EU nationality. Or is there also a long wait for a 'family permit'?

[WOODERSON]

So do you think that there could be any possible way of making this happen via another EU county?? If so how?

[oldoldgit!!]

I was in the same position as yourself in August last year, wife expecting baby in October, filled in settlement form paid the 18000 baht to Embassy and was told interview will be in December, I asked for money back, as wife would have had baby by then, Embassy said come back in the afternoon and she got visa same day, at airport told them she was 6 months pregnant that ok, Tip get health letter from where your wife goes for check ups saying she does not have TB, Elephantitis, 3rd stage syphilis I forget the others, and she shows letter at immigration at UK airport and does not have to be examined at airport. There is more email me, best of luck

[Richard W]

So do you think that there could be any possible way of making this happen via another EU county?? If so how?

The only indirect way of getting your child born in the UK is to acquire another EU nationality pronto. The likeliest case would be if you had an Irish grandparent (32 or 26-county definition - I don't know) - dual British / Irish nationals seem to have the privilege of choosing which way to be treated. Check it out at www.thailand-uk.com before you act - a dual national from Northern Ireland got a very funny response when he tried that approach - he reports that he was told, 'Northern Ireland is part of the republic - let your wife apply for a visa there.' (Possibly the argument is that if a claim to Irish nationality is based on the claim of the republic to Northern Ireland, the whole process should be consistent and therefore the husband should be regarded as an Irishman living in the republic, rather as an EU foreigner exercising the right of free movement of labour.)

The Surinder Singh method is irrelevant in your case - it takes more than 6 months.

[maerim]

Try this.

A total of 4,625 babies were born to non-national women in Dublin's three main maternity hospitals last year, it emerged today.

The majority of non-Irish births were Nigerian, with 1,528 children born to mothers from the African nation. British women gave birth to 671 children while 470 babies were born to Romanian mothers

In the republic of Ireland there are plenty of Nigerians, mum, dad, and new baby.

What they do so I'm told, is mum goes to Dublin on "holiday" when she is heavily pregnant has the baby there because of some odd laws the baby is an Irish citizen and as such needs carerers.

Step forward mum and dad, who then as of right, can claim social security benefits for their child and them.

I can't say this is gospel as I am only repeating it secondhand but it sounds that daft it could well be true.

The above quote lends a bit of credence to it though.

[WOODERSON]

I have no Irish bloodline unfortunately, looks like oldoldgit!! managed to pull it off through the normal channels. Do we think this just a one in a million or is it still advisable to apply through the embassy?

[WOODERSON]

oldoldgit!! I have emailed you some further questions if that's ok!?!

[oldoldgit!!]

Anymore questions? after baby born in uk, mail me and I will tell you the procedure to get baby benifits

[WOODERSON]

Does anyone know if a solicitors letter accompanying all other paper work makes any difference at all when applying for a visa??

[the scouser]

There is nothing prohibiting your wife giving birth in the UK. However, as she would be on a tourist visa she would not qualify for NHS treatment and you would need to adduce evidence of your ability to cover the cost. However, in reality, should your wife give birth in an NHS hospital they would probably "forget" to send you the bill. You said that your wife has already previously obtained a visit visa for the UK and did not overstay her welcome. In that case, it should be straightforward to get a subsequent visa with no delay. As an aside, whether your child is born in Thailand or the UK he/she will be British providing that you are named on the birth certificate and you are married to the mother at the time of birth.

Scouse.