2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Wrong on the geographics but we'll let that pass. Last tine I checked the Russian border was not in Ukraine.

It is now.
 

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

You know that the rigged election was a pretext to annexe the lands.

Nobody can prove that it was rigged. I've noticed that in some countries it's a must and acceptable, while in other countries it's rigged and thus forbidden.

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

Nobody can prove that it was rigged. I've noticed that in some countries it's a must and acceptable, while in other countries it's rigged and thus forbidden.

In which countries are rigged elections acceptable, comrade?

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The Russians didn't even have full control of the new regions it annexed after the sham vote.........lol

 

With Kalashnikov rifles, Russia drives the staged vote in Ukraine

The purported referendums are illegal under Ukrainian and international law and would not remotely meet basic democratic standards for free and fair elections.

“The referendum is taking place in the occupied city of Kherson under the muzzle of an automatic rifle,” said Galina Luhova, head of the Kherson City Military Administration, who now lives in Ukrainian-controlled territory. “They ring the doorbell of apartments, knock down the doors of those who don’t open them and demand that people come out and put a mark that they agree to join the Russian Federation.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/24/ukraine-putin-referendums/

Galina Luhova is a full time apparatchik from the Ukranian emergency government.

Don't ask yourself why more and more Ukrainian women will be forced to occupy senior military positions...

6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

In which countries are rigged elections acceptable, comrade?

Countries tmo excluded from rigged elections : Palau and Micronesia

 

Countries tmo highly possible with rigged elections : all others

Just now, Thorgal said:

Countries tmo excluded from rigged elections : Palau and Micronesia

 

Countries tmo highly possible with rigged elections : all others

That's sufficiently vague to avoid the question neatly.

7 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Why not just set the money on fire? At least it would keep a homeless person warm for a couple of hours.

It is insane to keep throwing money at this conflict when there is no actual exit strategy. If the Europeans are so worried, let THEM foot the bill.

Well for starters the United States of America spends an incredible amount of money on defense right now for less than 6% of that annual budget our government has brought its largest enemy on the planet to its knees exposed its leaders as inept its government as corrupt its leader as a war criminal it’s military as inept all without spilling American blood + doing the morally correct thing and protecting Europe.I’m not nearly as articulate as most posters here but that to me is smart a bargain and the correct moral thing to do.salva ukrain evict the invaders!

28 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

exactly, after the Ukrainian neo-nazis were defeated and/or fled the region it's obvious that the Russians took control to start elections.

You still haven't figured out that Putin is the fascist in this war.

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You still haven't figured out that Putin is the fascist in this war.

It's not a war. It's a Special Military Operation.

Edited September 22, 20232 yr by Thorgal

1 hour ago, J Branche said:

The US has to uphold its title for spending.  It is a government run by big children not a business.  If it was a business there would more focus on managing debt, improving performance, managing costs, and increasing share holder value.  

A government is not a business. The latter focuses on the profit motive, the former on its civic responsibility. Sure, a government needs to be able to manage a budget, but their respective "mission statements" couldn't be more different.

24 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Nobody can prove that it was rigged. I've noticed that in some countries it's a must and acceptable, while in other countries it's rigged and thus forbidden.

And without any independent observers or a free press no one can prove it was legitimate, though having a vote under military occupation in an ethnically cleansed area certainly indicates illegitimate.

Edited September 22, 20232 yr by heybruce

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

It's not a war. It's a Special Military Operation.

I don't know if you're trolling or being intentionally funny.

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

I don't know if you're trolling or being intentionally funny.

I'm not trolling ; international laws apply for waging war.

If it's a special military operation like NATO bombing 70 days Serbia or Lybia...

Just now, heybruce said:

I don't know if you're trolling or being intentionally funny.

Judging by his other posts and the used lingo, I see someone at a keyboard in a troll farm in St. Petersburg. Must be such an honorable job, trying to defend the indefensible…..

6 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

It's not a war. It's a Special Military Operation.

Your posts here are the funniest things I've read all day -- stop, you're killing me!

10 minutes ago, Tug said:

Well for starters the United States of America spends an incredible amount of money on defense right now for less than 6% of that annual budget our government has brought its largest enemy on the planet to its knees exposed its leaders as inept its government as corrupt its leader as a war criminal it’s military as inept all without spilling American blood + doing the morally correct thing and protecting Europe.I’m not nearly as articulate as most posters here but that to me is smart a bargain and the correct moral thing to do.salva ukrain evict the invaders!

Tug, your very first assumption was wrong and exposes the inherent problem with the whole debate on the Ukraine war. Russia is NOT "the largest enemy on the planet". China is.   And spending 125 billion dollars to fight an unwinnable conflict is folly.  Do you honestly think that Russia can be evicted from Ukraine without NATO joining in? The numbers just aren't there. You only have to look at the huge fizzle that was this year's "spring offensive" to see that.  The best that Ukraine can hope for is to hang on to what they have left. 

 

Europe can (and should) protect itself.  Let me ask you: do YOU think NATO should join in? Do you think Ukraine can recapture all its lost territory without the aid of soldiers from other nations? 

10 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

I'm not trolling ; international laws apply for waging war.

If it's a special military operation like NATO bombing 70 days Serbia or Lybia...

With over 100,000 Russian dead it certainly is special.  https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/18/us/politics/ukraine-russia-war-casualties.html

8 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

Your posts here are the funniest things I've read all day -- stop, you're killing me!

Believe me, in their target de demilitarize Ukraine, they did find WMD's...

 

And Biden is gonna send some 325KUSD more !

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Not less than human, but not my problem   The Ukranians dont have the manpower to run the Russians off. Would you like NATO to solve that problem too? And let's say, for the sake of argument, that Putin gets "hounded from office". Great. Now what? Who will replace him- you think it will be someone reasonable and peaceful? Surely you aren't that naive.  

 

So, letting your chips fall would possibly lead to WW3 and a regime change to an even worse madman than Putin.  Sorry, but no thanks. 

 

You wrote, “Ukrainian land and people are not worth the life of one NATO soldier.” You also wrote, “Yes, if necessary,” to the question “I assume you also want to let Russia keep the tens of thousands of Ukrainian children it kidnapped as well.” Saying that it’s not your problem doesn’t mask the fact that you’re devaluing a whole people. Before the abolition of slavery in the US, the US government set the value of an African American at three-fifths that of a white person. I don’t know who your “one NATO soldier” is, but he must be some kind of superman.

 

The kind of crass appeasement you are advocating has never worked, regardless of the kind of weaponry in the stockpile. As someone else said, get your head out of the sand.

45 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Galina Luhova is a full time apparatchik from the Ukranian emergency government.

Don't ask yourself why more and more Ukrainian women will be forced to occupy senior military positions...

What's that got to do with the facts supplied?

 

So-Called Elections in Occupied Areas of Ukraine ‘Have No Legal Grounds’, Undermine Peace Prospects, United Nations Official Tells Security Council

https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15405.doc.htm

 

Fictitious Annexation Follows 'Voting' at Gunpoint

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/09/30/fictitious-annexation-follows-voting-gunpoint

8 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Tug, your very first assumption was wrong and exposes the inherent problem with the whole debate on the Ukraine war. Russia is NOT "the largest enemy on the planet". China is.   And spending 125 billion dollars to fight an unwinnable conflict is folly.  Do you honestly think that Russia can be evicted from Ukraine without NATO joining in? The numbers just aren't there. You only have to look at the huge fizzle that was this year's "spring offensive" to see that.  The best that Ukraine can hope for is to hang on to what they have left. 

 

Europe can (and should) protect itself.  Let me ask you: do YOU think NATO should join in? Do you think Ukraine can recapture all its lost territory without the aid of soldiers from other nations? 

Ahh Russia has a larger mass .standing for sovereignty and freedom isent folly it’s the American way .Russia must be driven from Ukraine and stamped out every time they try to steal land .it’s an incredible bargain from my point of view no American blood standing for what’s right morally protecting Europe expanding NATO (obviously nessary) .in contrast to our defense budget extremely cost effective + the added benefit of employing workers replacing what’s used.a bargain indeed for all the right reasons .as far as nato joining in mr Putin best watch his step one false move and he’s lost  his fleet and air force 

8 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Why not just set the money on fire? At least it would keep a homeless person warm for a couple of hours.

It is insane to keep throwing money at this conflict when there is no actual exit strategy. If the Europeans are so worried, let THEM foot the bill.

Imagine being homeless in the US and this flog Biden just hands millions to wars and climate liars why people are struggling to live in their own country. Biggest waste of space potus ever.

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What's that got to do with the facts supplied?

 

So-Called Elections in Occupied Areas of Ukraine ‘Have No Legal Grounds’, Undermine Peace Prospects, United Nations Official Tells Security Council

https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15405.doc.htm

 

Fictitious Annexation Follows 'Voting' at Gunpoint

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/09/30/fictitious-annexation-follows-voting-gunpoint

Again :

 

Yulia Gorbunova (HRW) and Kiev Post Newspaper, another apparatchik from the Ukranian emergency gouvernment. 

 

Miroslav Jenča (UN) Slovakian another apparatchik from the UN anti-Russian coalition. No UN resolution has been signed yet.

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Russians have a dog in the fight. 

 

Last time I checked, the US border still ended at the western shore of the Atlantic.

 

Perhaps you don’t understand the US would rather not have to go back into Europe to fight a war against a totalitarian dictatorship again.

 

Containing Putin within Russian borders is a U.S. strategic objective, and rightly so.

 

Putin’s shills have been trained to think otherwise 

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

Again :

 

Yulia Gorbunova (HRW) and Kiev Post Newspaper, another apparatchik from the Ukranian emergency gouvernment. 

 

Miroslav Jenča (UN) Slovakian another apparatchik from the UN anti-Russian coalition. No UN resolution has been signed yet.

Again you have nothing to back up your claims that these were legal and legitimate votes while ignoring the facts and credible links supplied to refute your propaganda

The alignment of the US Alt-right / MAGA with Putin and his illegal war of aggression is no longer in dispute.

The Putin fan boys are out in force in this thread. Just following orders from their puppet master, no doubt.

6 minutes ago, bignok said:

Imagine being homeless in the US and this flog Biden just hands millions to wars and climate liars why people are struggling to live in their own country. Biggest waste of space potus ever.

GDP wise the US is nowhere near the top in supplying aid:Total bilateral aid commitments to Ukraine as a percentage of donor gross domestic product (GDP) between January 24, 2022 and May 31, 2023, by country

13 minutes ago, bignok said:

Imagine being homeless in the US and this flog Biden just hands millions to wars and climate liars why people are struggling to live in their own country. Biggest waste of space potus ever.

Imagine being homeless in the US and this flog Trump cuts taxes for the rich and just hands them billions upon billions they have no idea what to do with because they have way too much money already.

So called “trickle down economics” that Republican presidents keep pushing, even though that notion has been debunked years ago. Trump is also much bigger (well, fatter) than Biden, so he wins the prize for biggest waste of space ever.

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Welcome to the conversation, Mr. Godwin. So happy you could finally show up!

Do not understand your reference to a Mr. Godwin…