johng Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: I never said 30,000? That was Hamas. Yes I thought you might round up Israeli lives. What's a few hundred here or there to you........ The Hamas numbers for casulties have proven to be quite acurate in the past. Do you think the number of Palestinian deaths is less than or more than Israeli deaths ? I rounded both numbers DOWN for simplicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 minute ago, johng said: The Hamas numbers for casulties have proven to be quite acurate in the past. Do you think the number of Palestinian deaths is less than or more than Israeli deaths ? I rounded both numbers DOWN for simplicity. But this is not the past, Hamas have admitted themselves that a third of their numbers are from unverified sources and of course they also lump in the 14,000 estimated Hamas fighters that have been killed in with their totals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 4 minutes ago, johng said: The Hamas numbers for casulties have proven to be quite acurate in the past. Do you think the number of Palestinian deaths is less than or more than Israeli deaths ? I rounded both numbers DOWN for simplicity. UN seemingly halves estimate of Gazan women, children killed On May 8, the UN published data showing 34,844 people had reportedly been killed, including 4,959 women and 7,797 children. https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-800772 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 2 hours ago, johng said: Forced displacement of millions...to leave their own land is called what ? Stopping genocide . Trying to get people moved away so they dont get killed 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted May 13 Popular Post Share Posted May 13 On 5/12/2024 at 12:55 PM, johng said: If genocide is the death of 1000 poeple...then what is the displacement of millions and deaths of 30,000 poeple ? Seems it is the opinion of a few posters on here that Palestinians are not actually human beings, so it doesn't matter how many of them get killed. I suspect that's the opinion of a few of netanyahu's cabal as well. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 On 5/12/2024 at 1:22 PM, Tropicalevo said: So you admit that it is genocide against Israel. Now the next point. When the 'Palestinians' aka Hamas invaded. There was no warning. No options. Israel has given plenty of warnings for the people in Gaza to leave. Bur they either choose not to or the other 'Palestinians' will not let them. By the way, I wonder why that other neighbour called Egypt doesn't let the people from Gaza into their country. Maybe because the Egyptians know that they are terrorists? The Palestinians live on their own land, yet you think they should go live somewhere else. That's a very strange attitude to have. It's almost like you think they have no right to live on their own land and should give it to someone else while going to live as a refugee in a different country. Is that what you are saying? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 5/12/2024 at 11:10 AM, Bkk Brian said: But this is not the past, Hamas have admitted themselves that a third of their numbers are from unverified sources I should correct myself and say that the Palestinian authority ( not Hamas) casualty figures have been mostly accurate in the past if anything they have underestimated the figures as many of the dead are buried under rubble or unmarked graves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 5 minutes ago, johng said: I should correct myself and say that the Palestinian authority ( not Hamas) casualty figures have been mostly accurate in the past if anything they have underestimated the figures as many of the dead are buried under rubble or unmarked graves. The Palestinian Authority are not in Gaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: The Palestinian Authority are not in Gaza. So their figures are not historically accurate ? Edited May 15 by johng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 11 minutes ago, johng said: So their figures are not historically accurate ? No idea and don't care, this is about figures in Gaza given by Hamas whether they are historically accurate or not is nothing to do with the here and now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: No idea and don't care So who's figures do you believe ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 20 minutes ago, johng said: So who's figures do you believe ? If I was you I'd catch up on the latest figures news from the UN. It has its own topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Just now, Bkk Brian said: If I was you I'd catch up on the latest figures news from the UN. It has its own topic If I was you I would already know who's figures you believe are the most accurate but for some reason you won't tell me who's figures you believe ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) error Edited May 15 by Bkk Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 4 minutes ago, johng said: If I was you I would already know who's figures you believe are the most accurate but for some reason you won't tell me who's figures you believe ?? Here topic for you, this not it UN Cuts Death of Women and Children in Gaza by Half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: UN Cuts Death of Women and Children in Gaza by Half So you believe the UN ? https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/death-toll-gaza-fatalities-un-intl-latam/index.html UN says total number of deaths in Gaza remains unchanged after controversy over revised data The United Nations on Monday clarified that the overall number of fatalities in Gaza tallied by the Ministry of Health in Gaza remains unchanged, at more than 35,000, since the war broke out between Israel and Hamas on October 7. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 16 minutes ago, johng said: So you believe the UN ? https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/death-toll-gaza-fatalities-un-intl-latam/index.html UN says total number of deaths in Gaza remains unchanged after controversy over revised data The United Nations on Monday clarified that the overall number of fatalities in Gaza tallied by the Ministry of Health in Gaza remains unchanged, at more than 35,000, since the war broke out between Israel and Hamas on October 7. The figures are not from the UN 😴 & I have stated that already in the appropriate topic. Are you scared to go on there and post? Or just like to off topic troll here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Are you scared to go on there and post? Or just like to off topic troll here? Are you scared to tell me who's figures you believe ?...I am not trolling here just asking a simple question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Just now, johng said: Are you scared to tell me who's figures you believe ?...I am not trolling here just asking a simple question. Why would I be scared to tell you anyone that believes Hamas needs their heads examining. I am not one of them. This is not about me though and yes you are off topic trolling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 38 minutes ago, johng said: So you believe the UN ? https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/death-toll-gaza-fatalities-un-intl-latam/index.html UN says total number of deaths in Gaza remains unchanged after controversy over revised data The United Nations on Monday clarified that the overall number of fatalities in Gaza tallied by the Ministry of Health in Gaza remains unchanged, at more than 35,000, since the war broke out between Israel and Hamas on October 7. The U.N is sticking to Hamas's figures . The *Ministry of health in Gaza* are Hamas . The U.N is ignoring and new revised figures and sticking with the Hamas figures , even though those Hamas figures have been shown to be impossible and Incorrect . The U.N are supporting Hamas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Just now, Bkk Brian said: Why would I be scared to tell you Well then why not just tell me which figures you believe ? like pulling teeth but as you just said you do not believe Hamas figures, Palestinian health authority figures ? UN figures ? IDF figures ?????? and again I am not trolling just asking you a simple question who's figures do you think are the most believable/accurate ? I ask you on the other thread too reply to either here or there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 7 minutes ago, johng said: Well then why not just tell me which figures you believe ? like pulling teeth but as you just said you do not believe Hamas figures, Palestinian health authority figures ? UN figures ? IDF figures ?????? and again I am not trolling just asking you a simple question who's figures do you think are the most believable/accurate ? I ask you on the other thread too reply to either here or there. Please stop cutting and editing my posts. It's rude and against the rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said: The U.N is sticking to Hamas's figures . The *Ministry of health in Gaza* are Hamas . The U.N is ignoring and new revised figures and sticking with the Hamas figures , even though those Hamas figures have been shown to be impossible and Incorrect . The U.N are supporting Hamas Both the UN and US officials have previously appraised the figures from the Ministry of Health in Gaza as credible https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/death-toll-gaza-fatalities-un-intl-latam/index.html USAID also provided input to the memo. "The killing of nearly 32,000 people, of which the GOI (Government of Israel) itself assesses roughly two-thirds are civilian, may well amount to a violation of the international humanitarian law requirement," USAID officials wrote in the submission. USAID does not comment on leaked documents, a USAID spokesperson said. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/some-us-officials-say-internal-memo-israel-may-be-violating-international-law-2024-04-27/ US officials seem to be accepting the figures as correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 8 hours ago, johng said: If I was you I would already know who's figures you believe are the most accurate but for some reason you won't tell me who's figures you believe ?? The poster you quoted needs to catch up on the latest news himself. The UN has stated that the death toll of Palestinians is indeed in the 30,000 + number. There was a misrepresentation of what the UN said, by the israeli sycophants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, vinny41 said: Both the UN and US officials have previously appraised the figures from the Ministry of Health in Gaza as credible https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/death-toll-gaza-fatalities-un-intl-latam/index.html USAID also provided input to the memo. "The killing of nearly 32,000 people, of which the GOI (Government of Israel) itself assesses roughly two-thirds are civilian, may well amount to a violation of the international humanitarian law requirement," USAID officials wrote in the submission. USAID does not comment on leaked documents, a USAID spokesperson said. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/some-us-officials-say-internal-memo-israel-may-be-violating-international-law-2024-04-27/ US officials seem to be accepting the figures as correct They are again quoting Hamas's figures and they aren't independently verified 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: The poster you quoted needs to catch up on the latest news himself. The UN has stated that the death toll of Palestinians is indeed in the 30,000 + number. There was a misrepresentation of what the UN said, by the israeli sycophants. The poster you quoted needs to catch up on the latest news himself. The poster he quoted and who you are too ignorant to talk to directly knows full well that the figures quoted by the UN are unverified and from Hamas who themselves admitted over 10,000 are from media sources but wont say which ones. The same Hamas who admitted that the number of women and children totals are wrong by around half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said: They are again quoting Hamas's figures and they aren't independently verified The United States Agency for International Development is an independent agency of the United States government that is primarily responsible for administering civilian foreign aid and development assistance The figures are accepted by USAID and submitted in a report to the US State Department Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 3 minutes ago, vinny41 said: The United States Agency for International Development is an independent agency of the United States government that is primarily responsible for administering civilian foreign aid and development assistance The figures are accepted by USAID and submitted in a report to the US State Department Figures from Hamas and as the UN says: “The United Nations’ teams in Gaza are unable to independently verify those figures given the prevailing situation on the ground and the sheer volume of fatalities,” an Ocha spokesperson, Jens Laerke, said. “It is for this reason that all figures used by the UN clearly cite the health ministry in Gaza as the source. The UN will verify these figures to the extent possible when conditions permit.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Figures from Hamas and as the UN says: “The United Nations’ teams in Gaza are unable to independently verify those figures given the prevailing situation on the ground and the sheer volume of fatalities,” an Ocha spokesperson, Jens Laerke, said. “It is for this reason that all figures used by the UN clearly cite the health ministry in Gaza as the source. The UN will verify these figures to the extent possible when conditions permit.” The Israeli embassy in the UK told us they think the total number of Hamas fighters killed is "between 10,000 and 12,000". But they said it was hard to distinguish between civilians and combatants as many of them are not wearing military uniform and Hamas also has fighters who are aged 16 and 17. BBC Verify has repeatedly asked the IDF for the detail of its methodology for counting Hamas fighter deaths but they have not responded. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864 It seems that IDF figures haven't been independently verified so those figures should be taken with a pinch of salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 minute ago, vinny41 said: The Israeli embassy in the UK told us they think the total number of Hamas fighters killed is "between 10,000 and 12,000". But they said it was hard to distinguish between civilians and combatants as many of them are not wearing military uniform and Hamas also has fighters who are aged 16 and 17. BBC Verify has repeatedly asked the IDF for the detail of its methodology for counting Hamas fighter deaths but they have not responded. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864 It seems that IDF figures haven't been independently verified so those figures should be taken with a pinch of salt That was in Feb the same month that Hamas admitted 6,000 of their fighters were killed by the IDF. What's that got to do with the UN's disclaimers on the Hamas reported figures of civilian deaths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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