Nine Anti-coup Leaders Detained

[A_Traveller]

As for a pint with Colpyat - the man has not a shred of decency, not a shred of intregrity or honesty left in him, only blind faith in his brand of socialism.

I think most posters, including some of Colpyat's stongest detractors- would not agree with you. At all. In a forum that attracts, among others, people with nothing but a kind of patronizing disdain for the majority of Thais, to accuse the Colonel of lack of decency is quite a stretch.

As someone who fundamentally disagrees with 'the col' about many things and even having had a few 'handbags at dawn moments', I do think that he is honourable in his viewpoint {wrong though } but honourable.

Regards

PS Did I just type this or was my account hijacked?

[ColPyat]

It takes entirely unconvincing jumble of words to produce an argument that UDD is not doing Thaksin's bidding and that it somehow has a popular support among the "unpolitical" classes. There's nothing to consider as the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming.

I understand that Colpyat finds it incredible that former pro democracy activists who joined PAD now support the military junta. After all his opinion is unique and unusual, as he admits himself that his ideological borthers, the true anti-coup protesters, could attract only 2000 supporters at most.

The number of supporters doesn't make an idea right or wrong but I feel confident being in majority, relying on people whose opinions I respect rather than on nutty communists characters who run around Sanam Luang crying for democracy and end up directing rampaging mobs paid by Thaksin, people like Dr. Weng Tojurakarn or Giles Ungpakorn.

That is a sad situation with many leftists, and Thai leftists, too - they do not represent the majority, in Thailand's case ther lower classes, they only want to command them to do their bidding and build a "better" future directed by lefitsts themselves. Anyone disagreeing is called a right-wing fascist or worse. All communist regimes are brutal in dealing with dissent, Thai socialists are no different.

The fact that their ideology is not taking roots in Thailand is comforting. I dread to see the day when the "masses" take over the country and start purging the "elite", anywhere in the world. Russians were the first to experience this and China and Cambodia had similar purges not long time ago.

As for a pint with Colpyat - the man has not a shred of decency, not a shred of intregrity or honesty left in him, only blind faith in his brand of socialism.

I don't drink with people like that.

That was not a very nice thing to say.

But whatever.

I am not a socialist, i believe somewhat in social democracy, but i am not very ideological. I am not a a socialist in any way. But i have said that to you many times. I wish you would stop listening just to yourself, and to what i have to say to this accusation, for a change.

Giles Ungpakorn, by the way, has not been seen in any demonstration for more than half a year, and he was never involved in any way with the 19th September group other than having made appearances at a few of their first demonstrations right after the coup. Lets stay with facts, please, and not let fantasy run away.

It still is a big question mark if Thaksin really does fund the PTV demonstrations, or the UDD demonstrations. The leaders have always denied it, and nobody has yet brought up any credible evidence. Until we have evidence, we should treat this as another piece of speculation in a jungle of idiotic rumor that dominates unfortunately Thai political debate nowadays.

Or, do you have any proof?

[ColPyat]

As for a pint with Colpyat - the man has not a shred of decency, not a shred of intregrity or honesty left in him, only blind faith in his brand of socialism.

I think most posters, including some of Colpyat's stongest detractors- would not agree with you. At all. In a forum that attracts, among others, people with nothing but a kind of patronizing disdain for the majority of Thais, to accuse the Colonel of lack of decency is quite a stretch.

As someone who fundamentally disagrees with 'the col' about many things and even having had a few 'handbags at dawn moments', I do think that he is honourable in his viewpoint {wrong though } but honourable.

Regards

PS Did I just type this or was my account hijacked?

Thanks.

Ps.: I am right.

[chuchok]

As for a pint with Colpyat - the man has not a shred of decency, not a shred of intregrity or honesty left in him, only blind faith in his brand of socialism.

I think most posters, including some of Colpyat's stongest detractors- would not agree with you. At all. In a forum that attracts, among others, people with nothing but a kind of patronizing disdain for the majority of Thais, to accuse the Colonel of lack of decency is quite a stretch.

I would also strongly disagree with that comment from Plus."the man has not a shred of decency"..That's a crap comment.

[sriracha john]

Can we start a new thread on these off-topic posts please?

Thank you.

Actually I find some of these slightly off topic posts fascinating, for example the recent exchange between Plus and Colpyat.I think it's a tribute to moderators good sense to let a thread run on a bit if the subject matter is interesting.Suggest you leave this to the moderators to decide.

I realize you're a newbie at this forum "stuff", so I can understand you mistakenly replying to this post. If you don't mind, I'll take a minute to explain things to you.

The dialog between those involved in the off-topic discussion was indeed good and certainly worthwhile, in fact, worthy of it's own thread. It was wasn't slightly off-topic, it wasn't connected at all to the thread title, which is not to detract from it, but to properly manage any thread, the scope of each needs to be controlled. That's something posters with more experience than yourself realized and it's a tribute to them that since the first quoted post, it has, indeed and thankfully returned to the thread title.

The initial post was directed at those involved in the discussion, the colonel and Plus and hammered and not to the mods or those uninvolved such as yourself. My request was politely written and in a respectful manner, which was in tribute and in response to the noteworthy level of the off-topic discussion. If it was off-topic and not worthwhile, I would have taken the appropriate response and simply PM'd a mod to request deletion or modification of the posts. That's why it was an appeal in the open forum to those involved... which, sorry, didn't include you.

I hope this has been instructional for you and beneficial to all posters on all threads.

I think I should briefly respond and will not react to your patronising tone "newbie at this forum stuff" etc.I did not for one moment suggest you were being discourteous, merely that it's best to leave this kind of action to moderators who as I say do an excellent job in deciding how long to let a thread run.A month or so ago I expressed concern that political discussion on this forum was being dumbed down.I have to say I have been very pleasantly surprised by the high standard recently and I would have to identify Plus,Hammered, Colpyat and one or two others.I realise a lot of this is outside your comfort zone but I'm sure there will be lots of opportunities for your stock in trade of amusing anecdotes and zany pictures of Thaksin and his family.

Sorry you felt the need to respond as I had hoped that by the tone of my instructional post, you would have gathered that no further comments from you were necessary... but apparently I gave you more credit than deserved.

Whatever you consider as the level of discussion on this board has certainly not been assisted by your documented history of insulting multiple members and degrading the entire forum as a whole... which you've done on several occasions.

For your inflammatory posts directed at any number of posters have certainly done nothing to assist this board which you have loathed and demeaned.

Just so it's clear, I'll actually spell it out for you in that it's not necessary for you to respond further. Thank you.

Now.... to once again.... take this back to the topic of the thread title...

Thai coup protest leaders face weeks of jail

BANGKOK - Detained leaders of a violent anti-coup protest in Thailand could be kept in jail for weeks, crucially beyond next month's referendum on a new constitution, police said on Saturday.

The eight, a mixture of academics opposed to last September's military coup and supporters of ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, have been held since Thursday, when they were charged with organizing an illegal demonstration and instigating unrest.

"The protestors can be detained for up to 48 days," Police Colonel Supisarn Bhakdinarinath told Reuters, although he said if investigations into last Sunday's clashes with police were completed quicker, their pre-trial detention would be shorter.

The eight have denied the charges and refused to apply for bail. A ninth man was released on bail on Friday.

Police are allowed to hold suspects for stretches of 12 days at a time, after which they must ask the courts for a renewal of the detention order. Only three renewals are allowed.

Around 100 police and demonstrators were injured during a rally outside the house of former Prime Minister and chief royal adviser Prem Tinsulanonda, whom Thaksin loyalists say masterminded the September 19 coup.

Six protesters were arrested for throwing rocks and bottles at police lines during the incident, the first outbreak of violence since the removal of Thaksin in what was Thailand's 18th coup in 75 years of on-off democracy.

A new constitution drawn up by an army-appointed committee to replace the 1997 charter abrogated after the coup goes before a national referendum on August 19.

As a result of the trouble, the army-appointed government has said any future protests must stay within the confines of Sanam Luang, a large parade ground in front of the glittering spires of Bangkok's Grand Palace.

At face value, the coup stemmed from middle-class street protests in 2006 against Thaksin's autocratic style and huge personal wealth, which his opponents say he wielded unfairly to secure unassailable support from rural voters.

But analysts say it was as much about a royalist military and corporate elite removing a nouveau riche, ethnic Chinese businessman who had encroached too far on their traditional turf.

Thaksin was in New York at the time of the coup and has spent most of the interim in London, where he has bought an English football club, or traveling round Asia playing golf and giving interviews and lectures.

- Reuters

Edited July 28, 2007 by sriracha john

[younghusband]

Can we start a new thread on these off-topic posts please?

Thank you.

Actually I find some of these slightly off topic posts fascinating, for example the recent exchange between Plus and Colpyat.I think it's a tribute to moderators good sense to let a thread run on a bit if the subject matter is interesting.Suggest you leave this to the moderators to decide.

I realize you're a newbie at this forum "stuff", so I can understand you mistakenly replying to this post. If you don't mind, I'll take a minute to explain things to you.

The dialog between those involved in the off-topic discussion was indeed good and certainly worthwhile, in fact, worthy of it's own thread. It was wasn't slightly off-topic, it wasn't connected at all to the thread title, which is not to detract from it, but to properly manage any thread, the scope of each needs to be controlled. That's something posters with more experience than yourself realized and it's a tribute to them that since the first quoted post, it has, indeed and thankfully returned to the thread title.

The initial post was directed at those involved in the discussion, the colonel and Plus and hammered and not to the mods or those uninvolved such as yourself. My request was politely written and in a respectful manner, which was in tribute and in response to the noteworthy level of the off-topic discussion. If it was off-topic and not worthwhile, I would have taken the appropriate response and simply PM'd a mod to request deletion or modification of the posts. That's why it was an appeal in the open forum to those involved... which, sorry, didn't include you.

I hope this has been instructional for you and beneficial to all posters on all threads.

I think I should briefly respond and will not react to your patronising tone "newbie at this forum stuff" etc.I did not for one moment suggest you were being discourteous, merely that it's best to leave this kind of action to moderators who as I say do an excellent job in deciding how long to let a thread run.A month or so ago I expressed concern that political discussion on this forum was being dumbed down.I have to say I have been very pleasantly surprised by the high standard recently and I would have to identify Plus,Hammered, Colpyat and one or two others.I realise a lot of this is outside your comfort zone but I'm sure there will be lots of opportunities for your stock in trade of amusing anecdotes and zany pictures of Thaksin and his family.

Sorry you felt the need to respond as I had hoped that by the tone of my instructional post, you would have gathered that no further comments from you were necessary... but apparently I gave you more credit than deserved.

Whatever you consider as the level of discussion on this board has certainly not been assisted by your documented history of insulting multiple members and degrading the entire forum as a whole... which you've done on several occasions.

For your inflammatory posts directed at any number of posters have certainly done nothing to assist this board which you have loathed and demeaned.

Just so it's clear, I'll actually spell it out for you in that it's not necessary for you to respond further. Thank you.

Despite your patronising and ill tempered response, I think the forum would be better served by concentrating on maintaining and if possible improving the quality of political discussion.There are some very encouraging signs of improvement on that front.Obviously a forum contains all sorts from the well informed, open minded and intelligent to the dim and one dimensional.That's fine but its important that one faction doesn't swamp discussion or cast itself as the custodian of debate.That as I have pointed out is the role of moderators,, a comment which seems to irritate you for some reason.It's true that I have little patience for obsesive posters but I am always delighted when there is a thoughtful or perceptive post from whatever quarter.I have no wish to feud with anyone.

[sriracha john]

the only thing irritating is your off-topic ramblings...

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Detained anti-junta protest leaders Veera Musigapong and Weng Tojirakarn wave to supporters as they and seven others were taken out of Samsen police station to the Criminal Court for an extended detention period.

The Nation

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Enjoy your stay, boys...

Edited July 29, 2007 by sriracha john

[John K]

So how much BS has happened this weekend so far? If it has been calm because they have been in jail, it certainly becomes very obvious the right choice was made to lock them up, and actually in itself provided evidence against them. I expect some hard core followers (who don’t need to get paid to show up) to be there but other than that people will be getting on with their lives.

[slapout]

"I am quite sure that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics most reasoning powers are not above the monkeys"

[Maxi101]

posted ColyPat:

"We have now a very unique situation in Thailand. The main support of the protests are now by social sectors that have traditionally been unpolitical (and yes - it is real support, regardless of accusations of moneys paid to protesters). If one looks beyond Thaksin and TRT, but just at the motivation - then this is a somewhat positive sign. Farmers, laborers, and lower middle class people are now fighting for what they see as their democratic right. Does it matter that they choose a flawed character such as Thaksin really was/is as their chosen hero? I don't think so. They have chosen Thaksin under their democratic right of casting their vote, and that was taken away from them by the coup. In some ways this is a protest about a democratic principle, and not just about Thaksin. And if you observe the development of the protest movement, Thaksin does play a decreasing role in the protests, and even in the speeches, and people start asking themselves far more fundamental questions about the Thai system in general.."

I too agree with Colys post mostly and am really the opinion that the Taksin scaremongering should take the step back in order to focus what shall be in the future.

Don't know if I can post this or not but once there is kind of freedom established again with new elections people still have the power to walk against Taksin should he come back, which I really doubt.

Whats wrong with the 1997 Constitution, they should take it, do an new election and the new democratic elected government should do the proper corrections.

Oh my Thailand how nice an peacefull have you been a couple of years ago ...

[Asiantiger]

Can we start a new thread on these off-topic posts please?

Thank you.

Actually I find some of these slightly off topic posts fascinating, for example the recent exchange between Plus and Colpyat.I think it's a tribute to moderators good sense to let a thread run on a bit if the subject matter is interesting.Suggest you leave this to the moderators to decide.

I realize you're a newbie at this forum "stuff", so I can understand you mistakenly replying to this post. If you don't mind, I'll take a minute to explain things to you.

The dialog between those involved in the off-topic discussion was indeed good and certainly worthwhile, in fact, worthy of it's own thread. It was wasn't slightly off-topic, it wasn't connected at all to the thread title, which is not to detract from it, but to properly manage any thread, the scope of each needs to be controlled. That's something posters with more experience than yourself realized and it's a tribute to them that since the first quoted post, it has, indeed and thankfully returned to the thread title.

The initial post was directed at those involved in the discussion, the colonel and Plus and hammered and not to the mods or those uninvolved such as yourself. My request was politely written and in a respectful manner, which was in tribute and in response to the noteworthy level of the off-topic discussion. If it was off-topic and not worthwhile, I would have taken the appropriate response and simply PM'd a mod to request deletion or modification of the posts. That's why it was an appeal in the open forum to those involved... which, sorry, didn't include you.

I hope this has been instructional for you and beneficial to all posters on all threads.

I think I should briefly respond and will not react to your patronising tone "newbie at this forum stuff" etc.I did not for one moment suggest you were being discourteous, merely that it's best to leave this kind of action to moderators who as I say do an excellent job in deciding how long to let a thread run.A month or so ago I expressed concern that political discussion on this forum was being dumbed down.I have to say I have been very pleasantly surprised by the high standard recently and I would have to identify Plus,Hammered, Colpyat and one or two others.I realise a lot of this is outside your comfort zone but I'm sure there will be lots of opportunities for your stock in trade of amusing anecdotes and zany pictures of Thaksin and his family.

...poor Thailand you are in 1500BC era of politics ...wake up one day

[aaaaaa]

Don't know if I can post this or not but once there is kind of freedom established again with new elections people still have the power to walk against Taksin should he come back, which I really doubt.

Whats wrong with the 1997 Constitution, they should take it, do an new election and the new democratic elected government should do the proper corrections.

Oh my Thailand how nice an peacefull have you been a couple of years ago ...

people understand "freedom" somewhat differently here: mostly they are proud that this country has never been occupied or colonised. well, at least during past 100 or 200 years (never mind certain period when it was a vassal province of Burma - that was too long time ago). and personal freedoms are considered perhaps secondary - may be because of famous and favorite "may-pen-rai-ness"?

so, it remains to be seen, what kind of freedom of freedom will be established.

but then ..... freedom is a very relative term, and although many nowdays trumpet so called "Democracy" all around the world of all sorts of freedoms, there are big differences in opinions (even about real specialists on the matter, as scholars and academicians) about what IS "Democracy" at all, not to speak - whether it is the better or best social order then other or not. certainly, the forms of "Democracy" adopted and practiced nowdays even in the leading countries, doesn't strictly adhere to the real pricniples of true "Democracy". because normally those who try to juggle with this word while ruling their countries, certainly never would want the "majority" to make decisions. and Referendum is one of expressions of such people's will. so, if , say, most of people are of certain social order and economic position, and accordingly interests - their interests and will might or rather will differ from those who are 'minority'.... so, basically speaking, all modern forms of democracy around the world are simply clever ways of 'minority' ruling 'majority', while making it appear as it is according to people's will and desires....

Thai popular singer Karabao has one song about "Democracy", where he sarcastically asks somthing like (raw interpretation): "Democracy, "Democracy, please open and show your true face..." - people in this country not fooled by it. at least not all.

anyway, that is a long never ending subject. about Thailand I think there is no even need to think about too much, since Thailand has always been a Constitutional Monarchy, by all their Constitutions ever made. therefore, why to argue about it - something which is not even officially mentioned in the law of country? and again, who can claim that the forms of goverance so far practiced here were so much worth than elsewhere in the world, with so called "Democracy"? perhaps Constitutional Monarchy is even much better - at least people have some stability and permanent leadership in the personality of Head of State.

as for what was wrong with '97 Constitution - the simple answer is nothing. or may be it was too good ? it is just too sensitive matter to discuss in details here. new charter is being made mostly for particular reasons and goals, which again, who can say are not the most important for this country?

[aaaaaa]

I think you didn't get my post - there is no 30 baht scheme anymore, the gold card scheme of this government has replaced the universal scheme introduced under TRT, and essential life saving medicine that was available under the 30 baht scheme is now not.

The 30 baht scheme should have been improved, but instead it was scrapped altogether, such as almost every pro people policy TRT has introduced.

Any info? Links?

Last we all heard is that the scheme is the same but there's no 30 baht fee anymore.

Only info i have is the recent medical bills i and others of the family had to make a collection for, containing the exact same medicine that three years ago was given for free, and after asking for reasons, having gotten this explanation by the doctors.

On another note, there are many things nowadays we don't get to hear about, thanks to the still continued presence of the military in news offices, screening which news is allowed out, and which is not. But no, we don't have any censorship in Thailand...

exactly! I have noticed that Plus likes to ask for sources and proofs/ evidences. although he himself makes most if not all of his statements and arguments without any such, or at most, based on those very sources which many people are inclined to doubt a lot: official versions of current goverment. I saw that there is even whole thread in General topics about Nation and Bangkok Post papers on this very matter - if I recall, the urge is to boycot them entirely. what to speek of all other available (still) sources!

oh, and about 30 Baht scheme, Plus - why, my wife has told me so, and so did her mother, simple Thai people for whom that whole system has been made. it is indeed no more. for me and I see for ColPyat and I bet any others who have Thai family members it is sufficient enough evidence - no need links or "official" info. people are not getting it anymore - that's all. is it a fact enough for you ? if not - try to have your spouse or friend go to nearest clinic/ hospital and get treatment for 30 Baht to see for yourself.

[ColPyat]

Thai popular singer Karabao has one song about "Democracy", where he sarcastically asks somthing like (raw interpretation): "Democracy, "Democracy, please open and show your true face..." - people in this country not fooled by it. at least not all.

Well, Karabao is not exactly what i would consider a good example for democratic thought, especially since he has so blatantly supported the drug war killings. There are other nasty rumors about his past floating around, that in the era where became so popular as a folk singer he was not exactly what he pretended to be...

[A_Traveller]

Well, Karabao is not exactly what i would consider a good example for democratic thought, especially since he has so blatantly supported the drug war killings. There are other nasty rumors about his past floating around, that in the era where became so popular as a folk singer he was not exactly what he pretended to be...

Here we do agree, there was a thread herein titled something like 'What annoys Thais', and I was sorely tempted to add a post along the lines of telling the truth about Karabao, {the ultimate 1 hit wonder} but in that case the thread would probably have to be renamed 'Last thing to say as you leave the country :)'.

Regards

[aaaaaa]

yes, you might be right about him but this is not about him - this is about "Democracy" and its real face .... I bet one can find many other more acceptable and agreeable example to support this point.

[John K]

(BangkokPost.com) Human rights activists and legal experts have called on the government to release 8 key leaders of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) detained at the Bangkok Special Prison for their role in the demonstration outside Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda’s residence.

Academics, legal experts and members of human rights groups demanded at a press conference held on Monday that key leaders of the UDD arrested on July 16 and July 26 be released immediately as the arrests were not carried out according to the rules of the law and violated their civil rights.

The detained leaders include PTV executives Chatuporn Promphan, Jakrapob Penkair and Nattawut Saikua; PTV president Veera Musikhapong; spokesman for the Saturday Voice Against Dictatorship Viputhalaeng Pattanaphumthai; advisor to the Confederation for Democracy Weng Tojirakarn; former chief justice of the Criminal Court Manit Jitjanklab; and former Thai Rak Thai party MP

Apiwant Viriyachai.

More here:

http://www.bangkokpost.net/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=120543

[John K]

They seem to have forgot that the 8 want to stay in jail. The acting continues just like the sudden illness of the others.

[sriracha john]

Looks like Jakob the Liar might be facing a longer stretch in prison than anticipated:

Jakrapob faces court over recordings

The Crime Suppression Division (CSD) is set to prosecute Jakrapob Penkair, a detained leader of the United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), for allegedly making public a recording of a tapped telephone conversation without authorisation. The recording is alleged to have been obtained through wire-tapping and used against Privy Council president Prem Tinsulanonda. Violators are liable to a prison sentence of up to five years and/or a fine of up to 100,00 baht. A highly-placed source at the CSD said police were finalising a case against Mr Jakrapob and are expected to ask the court to approve an arrest warrant for his this week. The source said investigators found that Mr Jakrapob, a spokesman for the former Thaksin Shinawatra government, played a recording of the conversation during a rally at Sanam Luang in May.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/31Jul2007_news09.php

[John K]

Jakrapob threatens to file complaint with UN

Jakrapob Penkair, one of the first nine leaders of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship, said Tuesday that he would file complaint with the United Nations over what he called unlawful detention of him and other DAAD leaders.

He said his teamwork would disseminate information about the situation in Thailand to foreign media to inform them that Thailand did not have full democracy.

He said police could face a backlash for luring DAAD leaders to be detained.

"I hereby promise that someone will be taken responsibility for this once I can go out," Jakrapob said.

The Nation

The act continues. It was so obvious from the start that this was the reason they pushed so hard to get arrested. He must have a short memory as he said I want to stay in jail.

[sriracha john]

"I hereby promise that someone will be taken responsibility for this once I can go out," Jakrapob said.

.... hmmm....like himself?

[Tony Clifton]

File a complaint with the UN? Will he also send footage of himself and the others laughing and waving while at the police station as if they had just seen their best comedy show ever?

Here's a hint.

[John K]

Detained court chief to ask court to free anti-coup leaders

A former chief of the Criminal Court who is among eight detained key anti-coup leaders said Tuesday he would request the court to "unconditionally" release every protester.

Manit Jitchanklab, told a Thai News Agency reporter from his cell at Bangkok Remand Prison that he had drafted a 23-page statement to be submitted to the Criminal Court by his lawyer Wednesday.

He claimed all the jailed persons were taken from the court without acknowledging police charges.

TNA quoted Manit as saying without signing and accepting charges, they are exercising Article 90 of Thailand's Criminal Code under the terms of which they are entitled to be released, the former chief justice of the Criminal Court said.

All eight persons have denied all the charges against them. They were charged with holding an illegal gathering of more than 10 persons which led to disturbances in the capital, instigating unrest and obstructing police following violent clashes between unarmed police and demonstrators at the home of Privy Council president and former premier Gen. Prem Tinsulanonda on July 22.

Jakraphob Penkair, another jailed anti-coup leader, Tuesday challenged the Crime Suppression Division to issue an arrest warrant to prosecute him on charges of allegedly playing a recording of a taped telephone conversation without authorisation between two judges during a rally at Sanam Luang in May.

Jakraphob has claimed that the taped conversation constituted lese majeste and implied that Gen. Prem had been behind last September 19 bloodless coup which toppled the elected government of Thaksin Shinawatra.

The Nation

[John K]

I can’t help but imagining the 8 having second thoughts if this master plan is backfiring on them and they get to stay out of everyone’s hair until the charter vote is over.

[ColPyat]

Not being a lawyer, maybe somebody can answer me a basic question:

Given that there is no flight risk, and that they have not missed their court appointment - why is bail refused? Isn't that legally a bit strange?

[A_Traveller]

My understanding was that bail was opposed on the basis that the individuals might act or encourage others to act in a manner likley to cause a breach of the peace. It should not be forgotten however, that all 8 did not apply for bail preferring to remain in custody. The 9th accused did apply for bail and it was granted, the court presumably taking the view that the individual was not in and of himself a risk to public order, or as you say a flight risk..

Regards

[TAWP]

So Thaksin and his cronies wiretapped Prem and possible others - perhaps people even _inside_ the royal family? That if anything is an increadible breach and could have a much bigger aftereffect then anything this thread has talked about sofar.

[ColPyat]

So Thaksin and his cronies wiretapped Prem and possible others - perhaps people even _inside_ the royal family? That if anything is an increadible breach and could have a much bigger aftereffect then anything this thread has talked about sofar.

Why is a breach to wiretap Prem? Given that he is fingered by even many pro-coup quarters of being behind the coup, i think there is a clear reason for doing that. Don't forget - Prem is a citizen, and not a member of the royal family.

Anyhow, the taped recording in question most likely is not from a wiretap, but was recorded by one of the people in the phone conversation. At least that was how it was explained to me.

[Tony Clifton]

Detained court chief to ask court to free anti-coup leaders

That must be one of the many contortionists involved in the "justice system" while under Thaksin, bending over backwards to lick the PMs posterior. Ugly picture but it was done.

[ColPyat]

Detained court chief to ask court to free anti-coup leaders

That must be one of the many contortionists involved in the "justice system" while under Thaksin, bending over backwards to lick the PMs posterior. Ugly picture but it was done.

It might be a slightly difficult concept to understand, but there are many coup opponents who have also been opponents of Thaksin.