Brexit: A Triumph for Britain, Despite Labour’s Naysayers

[candide]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I know the real reason .

If you posted a graph of the 23 E.U Countries, then the UK would be doing quite well , about it the middle nd that would fit your claim of Brexit being failure , so you post the G7 graphs instead hoping that no one would notice 

Instead of trolling, why don't you spend your time finding this graph comparing all European countries's GDP since pre-pandemic level and post it with your comments?

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, candide said:

Instead of trolling, why don't you spend your time finding this graph comparing all European countries's GDP since pre-pandemic level and post it with your comments?

 

 Come on man   stop accusing me of trolling .

If you think that I am trolling then report my post , thanks 

[candide]

15 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 Come on man   stop accusing me of trolling .

If you think that I am trolling then report my post , thanks 

Then post some data, for a change. I posted the data I found, if you don't like it, post some other data that contradicts it, instead of whining.

[Nick Carter icp]

16 minutes ago, candide said:

Then post some data, for a change. I posted the data I found, if you don't like it, post some other data that contradicts it, instead of whining.

 

   You are speaking to me in a  rather unpleasant manner , so I shan't talk yo you as you are rather unpleasant .

   Try to speak civilly in future

[Nick Carter icp]

Britain will not rejoin EU in my lifetime, says Starmer

 

 

Keir Starmer has insisted the UK will not rejoin either the EU, the single market or the customs union within his lifetime, in his firmest pledge yet that Labour will not seek much closer relations with Europe for as long as he is prime minister.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/03/britain-will-not-rejoin-eu-in-my-lifetime-says-starmer

 

 

 

[Pickwick]

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

If you posted a graph of the 23 E.U Countries, then the UK would be doing quite well , about it the middle

I feel, perhaps, you are just looking to be contentious, since you do not even know how many countries are members of the EU. However, your suggestion that the UK would be in the middle, well: yes, no, or maybe. It's not a simple thing to calculate and difficult to get reliable figures for all countries. One table below, as an example: (Europe, not just the EU)

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/686147/gdp-growth-europe/

 

As we are only four years post-Brexit, a fair question might be: How much higher in this table (and any other table) would the UK have been had Brexit not happened? Of course, critics would fairly point out that any answer would be speculative. However, even the most fervent Brexit supported would surely admit that the UK economy had to take a hit (at least in the short-term). We have introduced barriers to trade with our biggest trading partner; such action does not come cheaply or without consequence. In the meantime, we have not created alternative trade to compensate, despite the headlines. The new trade agreement with Australia, for example, will grow UK GDP by 0.08% in the next ten years, according to the government's own calculations:

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9484/#:~:text=The Government's Impact Assessment estimates,output because of the agreement.

 

It is very difficult to compare countries by GDP etc. It is difficult to get the data, never mind analyse it meaningfully. As you know, statistics can be framed to suit almost any narrative, as below:

 

https://fullfact.org/economy/gdp-growth-international-comparisons/

 

Even comparing with Germany alone is not easy. If we go back a little further in time we can see that although the UK economy may be growing faster, it is from a much lower starting point.

 

How can we compare GDP and growth (meaningfully anyway)? It is not as easy as showing a bar graph:

 

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Beginners:GDP_-_Comparing_GDP:_growth_rate_and_per_capita#How_can_the_GDP_of_different_economies_be_compared.3F

 

And if we compare by the PPP method, then the UK is below Germany and France (but above Spain and Italy), and tied with the EU as a whole.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

 

It is inconceivable that Brexit has not caused some damage to the UK economy (at least in the short-term). Given we have erected trade barriers to our biggest market, to argue against that is unreasonable. However, some people have Faith that in the longer term the UK will prosper independently, though for many it is not easy to see on what that Faith is based, given the realities of the present.

 

Unfortunately, we now live in a polarised society, and people only want to view the data through their entrenched world view., from one side or the other. They no longer want to talk to each other, much preferring to trade insults. This, imho, is a far bigger problem and a far bigger threat to the UK than Brexit. 

 

Finally, the EU has more than 23 countries as members:

 

https://european-union.europa.eu/easy-read_en