Prior Velho, Portugal

While initial reports suggested it started from an electric vehicle, the Civil Protection has not confirmed this

 

https://aviation.direct/en/major-fire-in-parking-garage-near-Lisbon-airport

Edited August 20, 20241 yr by KhunLA

Here is some reading material on the risks and hazards of car park fire. The main problem is not the type of vehicle which starts the fire, it is the poor safety standards of fire protection, sprinklers, etc that is the real reason why car park fires pose a serious danger.

 

Liverpool Waterfront multistorey car park, diesel Range Rover

 

https://www.bafsa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/2018/12/Merseyside-FRS-Car-Park-Report.pdf
 

Cork Car park fire, Opel Zafira B, not EV

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cork-shopping-centre-fire-judge-issues-directions-on-liability-issues-1094594.html

Stavanger, Norway car park fire, Opel Zafira diesel

 

https://www.airport-technology.com/news/stavanger-airport-fire-parking-area/?cf-view
 

Luton airport car park fire, Range Rover diesel

 

https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/fire-airport-car-park-started-accidentally

Research into car park fires.

 

https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1805310/FULLTEXT01.pdf

 

Fire safety in car parks latest guidelines

 

https://www.abcb.gov.au/sites/default/files/resources/2024/296877-ABCB-ARUP-Fire-safety-in-carparks.pdf

 

NFPA (National Fire Protection Association) testing (August 2023) found EVs & ICEVs burn at a similar heat, refuting the common misconception that EVs burn hotter than ICEV.

 

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10694-023-01473-w

Moved topic from the lounge into the Thailand Motor Discussion

For those who are interested in data as opposed to opinion here’s a training group in Australia who specialise in training emergency responders how to deal with ev fires.

https://www.facebook.com/evfiresafeproject

On 8/20/2024 at 9:25 AM, KhunLA said:

Prior Velho, Portugal

While initial reports suggested it started from an electric vehicle, the Civil Protection has not confirmed this

 

https://aviation.direct/en/major-fire-in-parking-garage-near-Lisbon-airport

hmm ... will they ever tell what the cause was ... 

 

 

Owned by a 'vehicle collection company' .... hmm

 

I guess if all the cars were insured, and totaled, that would be more profitable pay out that waiting for payment or processing selling once able to 

Edited September 3, 20241 yr by KhunLA

EV haters rejoice ...

 

 

New shock over Prior Velho car park fire

By  Natasha Donn  - 11th September 2024

 

The Prior Velho car park conflagration, initially blamed on an electric vehicle catching fire; later blamed on a short-circuit in a combustible engine car, has now delivered a new ‘shock’: it was not licensed as a car park. Well over 150 vehicles were destroyed; insurers have been faced with a massive bill, and now it transpires that the owners of the car park were only licensed as a warehouse. Parking on the top floor (where the fire began) was prohibited, says Correio da Manhã. The full story is being aired tonight in an exposé by CMTV at 9.30pm.

 

(source)

An EV fire in a car park was the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration’s  (BMA) theme for the full-scale emergency disaster drill for 2024, held on September 8.

 

 

@DavidH here you go, don't mention it ...

 

Below paraphrased from .... this link

 

"The fire rate of electric vehicles is 61 times lower than that of gasoline vehicles

 

Only 25 out of 100,000 all-electric vehicles are likely to catch fire, compared to more than 1,500 gasoline vehicles and nearly 3,500 hybrid vehicles, according to research from National Transportation Safety Board data. American National Institute (NTSB).

 

The rate of electric vehicles burning is extremely low

 

The recent study was conducted by AutoInsuranceEZ, an American insurance company, based on data from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS) and recall data. According to the US Government, vehicles with internal combustion engines have a significantly higher number of fires than fully electric vehicles.

 

Accordingly, battery electric vehicles have only a 0.025% chance of catching fire, compared to 1.5% for internal combustion engine vehicles and 3.4% for hybrid vehicles. The study revealed that petrol and diesel vehicles experienced 1,530 fires per 100,000 vehicles, while only 25 out of 100,000 all-electric vehicles caught fire. This means that the fire rate of electric vehicles is only 1/61 compared to cars using gasoline and oil."

apologies @DavidH as above post should be to @DavisH

https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/tesla-semi-truck-fire-ntsb-report-50k-gallons-of-water/

As detailed by investigators, the battery-powered truck crashed near Emigrant Gap a little after 3 a.m. on Aug. 19.

NTSB officials say the truck was being operated by a Tesla employee and was heading from Livermore to a Tesla facility in Sparks, Nev.

Investigators say the truck first hit a traffic delineator, then a tree, before continuing down a slope and coming to rest against more trees. As the report notes, the truck's lithium-ion batteries ignited after the crash.

Notably, the report did not come to a conclusion about what started the fire.

It took about 50,000 gallons of water to put out the fire, investigators say. Cal Fire aircraft also dropped fire retardant around the area as a precaution against the flames from spreading to wildland.

 

I wonder why China, the breeding place of EV's, bans EV's in parking garages but not ICE

https://www.drive.com.au/news/businesses-in-china-ban-electric-cars-in-underground-car-parks-report/

Businesses in China ban electric cars in underground car parks – report

Despite being the world leader in electric vehicle production, some businesses in China have started to ban EVs in underground car parks citing a potential fire risk.

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/evs-banned-from-underground-carparks-in-popular-ev-market

Businesses in the Chinese province of Zhejiang have reportedly started banning electric vehicles (EVs) from their underground carparks amidst concerns over spontaneous combustion.

 

Edited September 17, 20241 yr by CallumWK

10 hours ago, CallumWK said:

I wonder why China, the breeding place of EV's, bans EV's in parking garages but not ICE

https://www.drive.com.au/news/businesses-in-china-ban-electric-cars-in-underground-car-parks-report/

Businesses in China ban electric cars in underground car parks – report

Despite being the world leader in electric vehicle production, some businesses in China have started to ban EVs in underground car parks citing a potential fire risk.

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/evs-banned-from-underground-carparks-in-popular-ev-market

Businesses in the Chinese province of Zhejiang have reportedly started banning electric vehicles (EVs) from their underground carparks amidst concerns over spontaneous combustion.

 

Emphasis on 'some businesses' and their right of course.  Two thoughts:

... ignorance always breeds fear

... and there's lots of 'old tech' out there, so a good precaution, along with people are just plain stupid, and can't be trusted.

 

I would think the practical thing to do, is have all EVs, (BEV & Hybrids) park on the top/open floor of parking garages.   Problem solved, if available.

Oh look another EV fire

 

 

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

Oh look another EV fire

 

 

What's your point? 

To continue with my posts on disinformation:

 

"EVs, like a bomb"

Watch the first 3 minutes of this video 

 

 

Another good video on FUD Busting.

 

I really don’t understand why people think it’s ok to just make stuff up.

 

Don’t believe everything you see online folks! 

 

 

 

 

Another reason, besides way more cycles, to buy a BEV w/LFP chemistry battery.

 

 

In the future, when all will stop using chap chemistry, you'll have a hard time finding any BEV fire caused by the battery.  Rare now ...

 

Not EV battery, but educational, and shows how easy, if not RTFM, to have an oops.   Although this guy made every mistake you could think of.

 

I abused a sh!t load of these, LIPO, batteries, and one never caught fire.  Main type of battery for drones, & RC everything that we have.   For larger ones, used the exact same 'blue' charger he shows,  which settings have to match each different battery or I used the manufacturers supply charging cable.

 

The ignorance is amazing.   You just can't fix stupid ...