3 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

This suggests that it's acceptable to speculate on someone's sexual behavior if it allegedly helped them achieve their current position. However, this is a harmful and misogynistic trope that is often used to discredit women in positions of power. Is that something about you that you like to portray - doesn't it say more about you that the subject?

 

Doesn't say anything about me.

 

I didn't sleep with powerful figures for "help" with my career as Willie put it. 

 

Nothing to do with misogyny either. Just as bad when men do it. 

Just now, novacova said:

The thing is, is that mom does it.

 

I believe that Trump's mother is deceased.

 

 

3 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

 

This is known as the "third-grade" defense.

 

"But Mom, he did it first."

 

 

 

 

 

Also known as the "call out hypocrisy" stance. 

Former President Trump is a very poor excuse for a man and will likely get soundly beaten by a woman of color and will then the one of three things may happen.

 

He may well die of one or more of the myriad of physical and mental ailments he suffers from.

 

He will be jailed and spend the rest of his life there.

 

He will  get down on the knees he has referred to about other women and beg for some sort  of amnesty. That would be the ultimate degradation!

1 hour ago, mdr224 said:

Wishful thinking. All dems have at this point is hope. No policies

Are you sharing accommodation with susanlea, and Maesariang? You speak the same limited lingo. 

3 minutes ago, marin said:

Are you sharing accommodation with susanlea, and Maesariang? You speak the same limited lingo. 

its limited because theres no reason to think much when speaking to libs. Doesnt take much to set them off, just the truth

2 hours ago, proton said:

As opposed to them referring to Trump as a rapist, mysoginist and racist for the past 8 years!

He has been adjudicated as a rapist and a racist. The misogyny is more than apparent, just ask his wives. He is also a convicted felon and adjudicated as a thief.

2 hours ago, proton said:

As opposed to them referring to Trump as a rapist, mysoginist and racist for the past 8 years!

You see, there's this thing called "evidence", and it shows whether something corresponds to facts or not. There's actual evidence, court-based testimony under oath that was found credible that he's a rapist. That's E. Jean Carroll, and there are others - there's dozens of photos of Trump and Epstein, and he was a regular passenger on the "Lolita Express".

 

As to misogyny and racism, all you need to do is watch and read his interviews, tweets and speeches and you'll find plenty of it. Remember the "fine people on both sides" of Charlottesville? Remember "grab 'em by the pussy"? Remember the Central Park Seven whom he wanted to execute despite their innocence? This is evidence of his views and calling him a misogynist and racist corresponds to his statements. His statements correspond to his beliefs, he's made them over and over again. 

4 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

He has been adjudicated as a rapist and a racist. The misogyny is more than apparent, just ask his wives. He is also a convicted felon and adjudicated as a thief.

Totally agree,the orange freak conman,rapist grifter is as good as cooked his own goose

2 hours ago, proton said:

As opposed to them referring to Trump as a rapist, mysoginist and racist for the past 8 years!

 

Comrade proton, there is a long history of allegations and litigation.  Let's go down memory lane.  Please refer to the sexual assault trial of defendant  Donald Trump. You know the one where he was found liable for the harm he caused. The two suits resulted in a total of $88.3 million in damages awarded to the plaintiff.   Please refer to the 1973 federal lawsuit brought against Donald Trump and his company for alleged racial discrimination at Trump housing developments in New York. 

cruel attacks, F'me, he's been called every name under the sun the last 7+ years, 

38 minutes ago, Thailand said:

Former President Trump is a very poor excuse for a man and will likely get soundly beaten by a woman of color and will then the one of three things may happen.

 

He may well die of one or more of the myriad of physical and mental ailments he suffers from.

 

He will be jailed and spend the rest of his life there.

 

He will  get down on the knees he has referred to about other women and beg for some sort  of amnesty. That would be the ultimate degradation!

 

Yes, he will do whatever he can to cop a plea deal. He will do it to protect his children, especially Barron. He will string out the cases against him as long as possible, and will likely die before final appeals are heard, thereby vacating the charges.  He will most likely manifest dementia as there is a history in his family and this would result in a staying of charges.

 

No, he will not go to prison. The USA will never imprison a former president for the sake of the national image and of the office.

 

 

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

cruel attacks, F'me, he's been called every name under the sun the last 7+ years, 

It is kind of surreal how much hes been accused with and still has a chance at being president again. Him winning would show that the media no longer has a hold on the American people anymore

To all the people who believe the sexual favor accusation, prosecuting attorneys are elected, not appointed. So carry on with your grade school gossip. I keep waiting for Trump to wow us with his game changing policy statements. You know what's true? He sees his humiliating defeat speeding towards him and he's got NOTHING.

18 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Comrade proton, there is a long history of allegations and litigation.  Let's go down memory lane.  Please refer to the sexual assault trial of defendant  Donald Trump. You know the one where he was found liable for the harm he caused. The two suits resulted in a total of $88.3 million in damages awarded to the plaintiff.   Please refer to the 1973 federal lawsuit brought against Donald Trump and his company for alleged racial discrimination at Trump housing developments in New York. 

 

If you look at the Jean Carrol trial you will find that in the April 2023 trial the jury's verdict was that Trump had NOT raped Carroll. Which is what Caroll had claimed. So Caroll was a liar. However, bizarrely the jury did believe that he fondled her breasts, which, together with Trump's social media posts, was the basis for the "sexual assault" and punitive damages for defamation later. 

 

Trump is of course appealing this verdict, made in favour of a woman who once wrote a book " What Do We Need Men For?"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Jean_Carroll_v._Donald_J._Trump

 

Since in both trials Trump was not found guilty of rape, it is a bit bizarre for anyone to claim Trump is a rapist.

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so where is the link to the debate?

16 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

cruel attacks, F'me, he's been called every name under the sun the last 7+ years, 

Fair play as he has called those that oppose him every name under the sun as well. 

 

 

16 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

The USA will never imprison a former president for the sake of the national image and of the office.

 

While I agree that Trump will NEVER, EVER spend a single day in jail/prison - he might spend time in home confinement, you should be aware that Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States, was held in prison for two years.

 

Jefferson Davis was imprisoned at Fort Monroe, Virginia for two years. He was never tried for treason, but was released on bond in May 1867. After being released, Davis and his family traveled for some time in Europe before returning to the American South.

 

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/biographies/jefferson-davis

4 hours ago, Walker88 said:

How very "Presidential" !

 

Add to this his calls for "military tribunals" to target people like Barack Obama and Liz Cheney simply because they criticized him, and it's time to toss that clown into the dustbin of history....plus Leavenworth.

 

Trump has overwhelmingly demonstrated he is Unfit to Represent the Office of  the President of the USA. Yet he has millions of supporters - very bizarre!

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

If you look at the Jean Carrol trial you will find that in the April 2023 trial the jury's verdict was that Trump had NOT raped Carroll. Which is what Caroll had claimed. So Caroll was a liar. However, bizarrely the jury did believe that he fondled her breasts, which, together with Trump's social media posts, was the basis for the "sexual assault" and punitive damages for defamation later. 

 

Trump is of course appealing this verdict, made in favour of a woman who once wrote a book " What Do We Need Men For?"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Jean_Carroll_v._Donald_J._Trump

 

Since in both trials Trump was not found guilty of rape, it is a bit bizarre for anyone to claim Trump is a rapist.

 

Rape is specifically defined under New York law. In other jurisdictions his sexual assault would be considered rape. The judge has already addressed the issue. Trump had the benefit of  New York's outdated legal definition of  rape. 

Your casual dismissal of the assault says it all. A jury of Trump's  peers found the evidence credible and   sufficient to deliver its  verdict. 

3 hours ago, proton said:

As opposed to them referring to Trump as a rapist, mysoginist and racist for the past 8 years!

The fact that you can't see the difference between the two is why we can't have nice things. 

3 hours ago, thesetat2013 said:

If true, then she should be treated the same as Lewinsky and Clinton. I honestly can not see how she managed to stay in politics as it is. So perhaps there were other horny men promoting Harris for her other (uhh) skills. Certainly her positions were not given to her for her political abilities. 

She got her bar exam and was working as a prosecutor, Trump got money from his father.

Trump is a guy with a brain of an eight year old!  Who in their right mind can vote on this mad man! He is dumb as a rock!

12 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Rape is specifically defined under New York law. In other jurisdictions his sexual assault would be considered rape. The judge has already addressed the issue. Trump had the benefit of  New York's outdated legal definition of  rape. 

Your casual dismissal of the assault says it all. A jury of Trump's  peers found the evidence credible and   sufficient to deliver its  verdict. 

 

Lol, everyone knows what rape is, and so did the jury in the Carroll trial who clearly stated that they did NOT find Trump guilty of rape, but instead of fondling her breasts and defamation due to social media posts.

 

Your insistance that Trump can be called a rapist based on some jursidictions having over inclusive rape defintions, jurisdictions where Trump was not tried, even though in his own case Trump was found to be NOT guilty of rape shows clearly what your intent is here.

 

It is to defame Trump as a rapist, when it is clear in the Caroll case he was found NOT guilty of rape.

 

What you clearly don't realise is that rape is defined at the FEDERAL level, where it is:

 

Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.

— Uniform Crime Report

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_laws_in_the_United_States

 

As you can see it is penetration which is key. In the Carroll trial it became clear that penetration did not take place, and even the jury that found Trump guilty for social media defamation and breast fondling concluded that Trump had NOT raped Carroll. Ie, no penetration of any kind took place.

 

You implying that Trump is a rapist is simply false. It is also defamatory.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

She got her bar exam and was working as a prosecutor, Trump got money from his father.

Just because she used her families money to get a lawyers degree and take the bar exam does not have anything to do with politics or being a politician. Her studies in school was not politics either. She is clueless to world and local issues as well as how to present herself to the public. It is not hard being a prosecutor. state the facts and let them show guilt. Surely this is opposite from being a politician. So why do you use this as a good reason she would make a decent president? 

7 minutes ago, thesetat2013 said:

Just because she used her families money to get a lawyers degree and take the bar exam does not have anything to do with politics or being a politician. Her studies in school was not politics either. She is clueless to world and local issues as well as how to present herself to the public. It is not hard being a prosecutor. state the facts and let them show guilt. Surely this is opposite from being a politician. So why do you use this as a good reason she would make a decent president? 

Trump never studied politics, became Putin's lapdog, friends with the North Korean dictator, made classified material disappear. Do you think that is a good president?

Look at the muppet: Flame on! Trump shares photoshopped image of himself, Vance, RFK Jr, Musk and Gabbard as superheroes (msn.com)   

He has lost the plot: Donald Trump shares bizarre reason why people don’t want to eat bacon anymore (msn.com)

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3 minutes ago, thesetat2013 said:

Just because she used her families money to get a lawyers degree and take the bar exam does not have anything to do with politics or being a politician. Her studies in school was not politics either. She is clueless to world and local issues as well as how to present herself to the public. It is not hard being a prosecutor. state the facts and let them show guilt. Surely this is opposite from being a politician. So why do you use this as a good reason she would make a decent president? 

This election is far less about Harris' ample qualifications and more about Trumps ongoing criminal activity and obvious unfitness for office. He is a convicted felon. That should be the end of it.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Lol, everyone knows what rape is, and so did the jury in the Carroll trial who clearly stated that they did NOT find Trump guilty of rape, but instead of fondling her breasts and defamation due to social media posts.

 

Your insistance that Trump can be called a rapist based on some jursidictions having over inclusive rape defintions, jurisdictions where Trump was not tried, even though in his own case Trump was found to be NOT guilty of rape shows clearly what your intent is here.

 

It is to defame Trump as a rapist, when it is clear in the Caroll case he was found NOT guilty of rape.

It is obvious that you do not. New York has a limited definition of rape, that  has yet to be updated.

Judge Kaplan in his ruling that dismissed Trump's counterclaim of defamation against his sexual assault victim said that when Carroll repeated her allegation that Trump raped her, she was truthful.  Judge Kaplan also set out in detail why it may be said that Trump raped Carroll. 

 “The only issue on which the jury did not find in Ms Carroll’s favour was whether she proved that Mr Trump ‘raped’ her within the narrow, technical meaning of that term in the New York penal law.  “The jury … was instructed that it could find that Mr Trump ‘raped’ Ms Carroll only if it found that he forcibly penetrated Ms Carroll’s vagina with his penis.

“It could not find that he ‘raped’ her if it determined that Mr Trump forcibly penetrated Ms Carroll’s private sexual parts with his fingers – which commonly is considered ‘rape’ in other contexts – because the New York penal law definition of rape is limited to penile penetration.”

 

The jury found in favour of the victim and that is the key issue.  Your argument is of the  position that  molesting someone is acceptable so long as it does not  involve penile penetration. 

 

 

3 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

You have been collecting his playing card thingies haven't you! @spidermike007

 

Hurry or you'll miss the latest  of Trump collectibles!

7 minutes ago, thesetat2013 said:

Just because she used her families money to get a lawyers degree and take the bar exam does not have anything to do with politics or being a politician. Her studies in school was not politics either. She is clueless to world and local issues as well as how to present herself to the public. It is not hard being a prosecutor. state the facts and let them show guilt. Surely this is opposite from being a politician. So why do you use this as a good reason she would make a decent president? 

 

What? On what basis do you make this claim? How do you know how she paid for her education? Imagining something does not make it true. You do not even know what she studied. Her undergrad was in economics and political science.  As an attorney general she was responsible for negotiating several of the largest settlements in US history, settlements that benefited Americans in all states. She was AG for a state with an economy that is bigger than most countries' economies. How would you know how hard it is to be a prosecutor? Have you ever practiced law and litigated a multistate case? You offer a  simpleton's assessment of a prosecutor's role.  It is your personal opinion that she is clueless to world and local issues.  Meanwhile, she had enough understanding of her local issues to ensure being elected as a prosecutor and state attorney general. She has been in the national administration for the past 4 years and is aware of world events. Because you are unaware does not mean  your are correct.