3 hours ago, diceman said:

I'm not here to be 'convinced' of anything. I would like hear truth and facts from both sides. You have given an argument for what is so bad about trump, would you like to add some negatives about the Democrats?

They are incapable of being objective. It's part of what being a modern "democrat" is all about.

1 hour ago, ModdaPunk said:

Trump can't be a threat to democracy. The US ain't a democracy. Never have been.

This is a great comment.

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

His past includes ... inciting an insurrection.

No, it does not, he has never faced charges of that, never mind been convicted of it.

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Trump would have no chance at all if it was not for an undemocratic Electoral College.

The dopey Dems have that same advantage too. not just Trump!

4 hours ago, diceman said:

So the question remains, how exactly is Donald Trump a threat to democracy. Please be aware I have no horse in this race, like many around the world I am watching in shock and horror as the most powerful country on the planet seems to be destroying itself, and that's a concern for every (western) citizen. 

 

excellent post. i was thinking of writing something like this, but the problem is there are too many neo democrats with horse blinds here who dont realise that the world didnt end after trump. actually... if you look at history most of the time when the dems are in power there is an escalation of world wide conflicts... strange innit... the proponents of peace actually seem to like violence.

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, it does not, he has never faced charges of that, never mind been convicted of it.

doesnt appear to matter to some on here. i asked a genuine question and instead of factual evidence the whole thread descends into insults. i guess thats the problem in a nutshell. 

3 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

I'll repeat only one more time, read "Project 2025." It spells out in very clear terms what he plans on doing.

He has made it very clear that Project 2025 is not on his agenda at all, it was not his project.

16 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

3 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

I'll repeat only one more time, read "Project 2025."

Thank <deleted> you're not going to mention it again, it was <deleted> the first time you brought it up.

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He has made it very clear that Project 2025 is not on his agenda at all, it was not his project.

best advice i was given growing up was 'never argue with an idiot. they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience'

3 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Did you miss the part where he is the most prolific, blatant liar in politics at this level?

That is not factual, though, that is just your opinion and it is well worth missing.

3 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Hmmm . . . "new" member, posting a very loaded question of a topic, trying to change the parameters of the argument mid-stream?

 

Yeah . . . nope, not gonna take this bait.

No, he was not changing the parameters, it was an addendum to HIS topic!

Lots of reasons not to like Trump. The threat to democracy comes from:

• his lack of acceptance of the outcome of last election culminating in January 6 and the other pending court matters e.g. Georgia. If someone doesn't accept when they lose is that not a sign something is up and very wrong. He still apparently doesn't accept it;
• the sense that he and those closest were actually to dumb and lame to find an effective pathway to being dictator last time e.g. fake electors but this time he is likely to take further steps to attempt it if necessary. The Project 2025 is a concern - too many Trump people involved to ignore it e.g. replacing many government workers with those who pledge allegiance to Trump. He says not involved - I believe him - he's not smart enough to come up with such stuff - but those who have his ear likely are;
• his approach to dictators who don't believe in free and fair elections.

That's a start. But there are many other things I don't like about Trump e.g. he simply isn't smart in terms of policy. 

Edited September 18, 20241 yr by Fat is a type of crazy

1 hour ago, gargamon said:

There are sure a lot of gullible suckers on here.

OP (with less thanks 50 posts) is a Russian troll.

"Less thanks"?

1 minute ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Lots of reasons not to like Trump. The threat to democracy comes from:

• his lack of acceptance of the outcome of last election culminating in January 6 and the other pending court matters e.g. Georgia. If someone doesn't accept when they lose is that not a sign something is up and very wrong. He still apparently doesn't accept it;
• the sense that he and those closest were actually to dumb and lame to find an effective pathway to being dictator last time e.g. fake electors but this time he is likely to take further steps to attempt it if necessary. The Project 2025 is a concern - too many Trump people involved to ignore it e.g. replacing many government workers with those who pledge allegiance to Trump. He says not involved - I believe him - he's not smart enough to come up with such stuff - but those who have his ear likely are;
• his approach to dictators who don't believe in free and fair elections.

That's a start. But there are many other things I don't like about Trump e.g. he simply isn't smart in terms of policy. 

thank you. thats the kind of reply i was hoping for. 

So Bob is now political? Never liked you with your BS stories and this is even worse. No clue what you are talking about and just trying to impose your weird why of looking at the world. Go back to "Spain"

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"Less thanks"?

Spelling police again !

13 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He has made it very clear that Project 2025 is not on his agenda at all, it was not his project.

Gullible thinking Lou. Whenever he says it's not him, it's him.

16 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Lots of reasons not to like Trump. The threat to democracy comes from:

• his lack of acceptance of the outcome of last election culminating in January 6 and the other pending court matters e.g. Georgia. If someone doesn't accept when they lose is that not a sign something is up and very wrong. He still apparently doesn't accept it;
• the sense that he and those closest were actually to dumb and lame to find an effective pathway to being dictator last time e.g. fake electors but this time he is likely to take further steps to attempt it if necessary. The Project 2025 is a concern - too many Trump people involved to ignore it e.g. replacing many government workers with those who pledge allegiance to Trump. He says not involved - I believe him - he's not smart enough to come up with such stuff - but those who have his ear likely are;
• his approach to dictators who don't believe in free and fair elections.

That's a start.

"That's a start".

But, to use your own well-chosen words, a "dumb and lame" start.  And, ironically, considering that you're calling others dumb and lame, you posted "...those closest were actually to dumb and lame..."!

Edited September 18, 20241 yr by Liverpool Lou

12 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

15 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"Less thanks"?

Spelling police again !

Not at all, I was asking what he meant by "Less thanks".

A number of off topic, bickering posts and replies removed. Please try to discuss the topic.

11 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

26 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He has made it very clear that Project 2025 is not on his agenda at all, it was not his project.

Gullible thinking Lou. Whenever he says it's not him, it's him.

That is just your opinion, not a fact.

4 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

I'll repeat only one more time, read "Project 2025." It spells out in very clear terms what he plans on doing.

Please cite exactly what when and where Trump has stated created supports project 2025, or are you reiterating the media in zombie mode?

Edited September 18, 20241 yr by novacova

7 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"That's a start".

But, to use your own well-chosen words, a "dumb and lame" start.  And, ironically, considering that you're calling others dumb and lame, you posted "...those closest were actually to dumb and lame..."!

You the man Lou. If there's a trivial point to be made you'll find it and make it. 

6 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

15 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"That's a start".

But, to use your own well-chosen words, a "dumb and lame" start.  And, ironically, considering that you're calling others dumb and lame, you posted "...those closest were actually to dumb and lame..."!

You the man Lou. If there's a trivial point to be made you'll find it and make it.

At least I was able to make a rational point.

13 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

At least I was able to make a rational point.

You the man Lou

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Not the first time candidates have been shot at, ever killed, along with presidents themselves, or bystanders.   RFK, G. Wallace come to mind.  JFK killed, and then Reagan shot.  That's just my lifetime.

 

It's politics ... same worldwide 

 

7 shot (15%), 4 killed (8.6%), out of 46.  

 

I disagree, old bean. While assassinating politicians may be par for the course in the 'New World', we tend to frown upon that type of  behaviour in the 'Mother Country'. Bad form, don't you know?

5 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Yet, somehow, he is also the most lied about figure in American politics.

 

Flawless victory. 

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

I disagree, old bean. While assassinating politicians may be par for the course in the 'New World', we tend to frown upon that type of  behaviour in the 'Mother Country'. Bad form, don't you know?

More than a few people didn't get the memo ... 😎

6 hours ago, Cameroni said:

He has said clearly he will not implement it.

This is sarcasm, right?

 

When he says something clearly... he is clearly lying... otherwise he speaks in a most disorganized manner.