Brits, hope may be on the way: Musk!

[BigStar]

X owner Elon Musk might be preparing to give $100 million to Nigel Farage in order to transform British politics, leading U.K. business executives and Conservative Party officials believe, The Times reported.

 

Musk suggested last week that Farage's Reform Party should form the next government.

 

     --Musk Might Donate $100M to Help Farage Become UK PM

[RayC]

15 hours ago, BigStar said:

X owner Elon Musk might be preparing to give $100 million to Nigel Farage in order to transform British politics, leading U.K. business executives and Conservative Party officials believe, The Times reported.

 

Musk suggested last week that Farage's Reform Party should form the next government.

 

     --Musk Might Donate $100M to Help Farage Become UK PM

 

With any luck, Labour will act on their manifesto commitment before Musk has the opportunity to act on this possibility.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/02/what-are-the-rules-on-uk-political-donations-and-how-might-labour-change-them

 

As for Musk becoming a UK citizen: Is this what right-wingers want? I thought that they wanted to clamp down on immigration?

[Will B Good]

Elon Musk, or any foreign national, cannot legally donate $100 million to Nigel Farage or any other UK politician or political party under UK electoral law. Here’s why:

 

UK Laws on Political Donations

 

The UK has strict laws governing political donations to ensure transparency and prevent undue foreign influence.

 

1. Who Can Donate to UK Politicians or Parties?

 

Only the following are permitted to make donations to political parties, candidates, or campaigners in the UK:

• UK citizens or individuals on the electoral register.

• Companies registered and carrying out business in the UK.

• Trade unions and other registered organisations in the UK.

 

Since Elon Musk is a foreign national and primarily conducts business in the US through companies like Tesla and SpaceX, he would not meet these criteria.

 

2. Foreign Donations Are Illegal

 

Section 54 of the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 (PPERA) explicitly prohibits foreign donations to political parties or campaigns. A foreign national, like Musk, cannot make a donation of any amount to:

• A UK political party.

• An individual politician.

• A political campaign or referendum.

 

The purpose of this law is to prevent foreign interference in UK politics.

 

3. Donations to Third-Party Organisations

 

If Musk tried to give the money indirectly—say, through a third-party organisation or a think tank that supports Farage—that organisation would still need to comply with UK laws. If it operates as a political campaigner, it would also be restricted from accepting foreign donations.

 

Penalties for Violating Donation Laws

 

Violating UK donation laws can lead to:

• Fines from the UK Electoral Commission.

• Criminal charges, potentially resulting in imprisonment for those involved.

• Political consequences, including reputational damage for the recipient.

 

Alternative: Non-Political Donations

 

Musk could legally give Nigel Farage a personal gift or donation for non-political purposes (e.g., a business venture or charity) as long as:

• The money is not used for political campaigning.

• Proper tax and financial reporting requirements are followed.

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

As I observed elsewhere, Reform UK/Farage would be very foolish to allow Musk and Trump to get involved.

 

It would kill the movement, which arguably British politics needs desperately, stone dead.

 

Mr Musk seems to think he can buy his way into politics. That may work with Trump, to whom money is central. It would not be well received in the UK, and as @Will B Goodpoints out, would be illegal. That said, the illegality is unlike to concern Musk, he believes that money trumps (see what I have done there - good isn't it?) the laws when it comes to politics!

[Nick Carter icp]

On 12/3/2024 at 11:53 AM, Will B Good said:

Elon Musk, or any foreign national, cannot legally donate $100 million to Nigel Farage or any other UK politician or political party under UK electoral law. Here’s why:

 

UK Laws on Political Donations

 

The UK has strict laws governing political donations to ensure transparency and prevent undue foreign influence.

 

1. Who Can Donate to UK Politicians or Parties?

 

Only the following are permitted to make donations to political parties, candidates, or campaigners in the UK:

• UK citizens or individuals on the electoral register.

• Companies registered and carrying out business in the UK.

• Trade unions and other registered organisations in the UK.

 

Since Elon Musk is a foreign national and primarily conducts business in the US through companies like Tesla and SpaceX, he would not meet these criteria.

 

2. Foreign Donations Are Illegal

 

Section 54 of the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 (PPERA) explicitly prohibits foreign donations to political parties or campaigns. A foreign national, like Musk, cannot make a donation of any amount to:

• A UK political party.

• An individual politician.

• A political campaign or referendum.

 

The purpose of this law is to prevent foreign interference in UK politics.

 

3. Donations to Third-Party Organisations

 

If Musk tried to give the money indirectly—say, through a third-party organisation or a think tank that supports Farage—that organisation would still need to comply with UK laws. If it operates as a political campaigner, it would also be restricted from accepting foreign donations.

 

Penalties for Violating Donation Laws

 

Violating UK donation laws can lead to:

• Fines from the UK Electoral Commission.

• Criminal charges, potentially resulting in imprisonment for those involved.

• Political consequences, including reputational damage for the recipient.

 

Alternative: Non-Political Donations

 

Musk could legally give Nigel Farage a personal gift or donation for non-political purposes (e.g., a business venture or charity) as long as:

• The money is not used for political campaigning.

• Proper tax and financial reporting requirements are followed.

 

 

 

   Did you read this bit ?

 

 

The donation from Musk would likely be made through the British branch of X, which allows Musk to bypass rules regarding foreign donations to a political party, The Times reported.

[Will B Good]

On 12/3/2024 at 12:02 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Did you read this bit ?

 

 

The donation from Musk would likely be made through the British branch of X, which allows Musk to bypass rules regarding foreign donations to a political party, The Times reported.

Since Elon Musk is a foreign national and primarily conducts business in the US through companies like Tesla and SpaceX, he would not meet these criteria.

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

Since Elon Musk is a foreign national and primarily conducts business in the US through companies like Tesla and SpaceX, he would not meet these criteria.

 

But the Times seems to think it'll work. I'll take their speculation over yours.

[BigStar]

2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

As I observed elsewhere, Reform UK/Farage would be very foolish to allow Musk and Trump to get involved.

 

 

But that's just you, and you don't like Trump.

 

2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

It would kill the movement, which arguably British politics needs desperately, stone dead.

 

Or it may re-energize the movement. Politicians need a lot of money to get elected.

 

2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Mr Musk seems to think he can buy his way into politics. That may work with Trump, to whom money is central. It would not be well received in the UK

 

Depends on who's receiving and who isn't. 🙂 

 

[jvs]

On 12/3/2024 at 12:02 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Did you read this bit ?

 

 

The donation from Musk would likely be made through the British branch of X, which allows Musk to bypass rules regarding foreign donations to a political party, The Times reported.

By passing the rules would be illegal?

Or is that only for normal/poor people?

[Will B Good]

13 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

But the Times seems to think it'll work. I'll take their speculation over yours.

Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 (PPERA)

 

Quoted in the post.

[Nick Carter icp]

37 minutes ago, jvs said:

By passing the rules would be illegal?

Or is that only for normal/poor people?

 

   No, it wouldn't be illegal to bypass the rules 

[G_Money]

Forget Musk.

 

America’s greatest contribution to the UK is Ellen Degenerates.

 

You got her now!  Or is it him?

 

 

 

 

 

[BigStar]

4 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Forget Musk.

 

America’s greatest contribution to the UK is Ellen Degenerates.

 

You got her now!  Or is it him?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Karma got her. New estate flooded and she had to get out of it. Heh. Always rent, never buy?

[impulse]

3 hours ago, Will B Good said:

• Companies registered and carrying out business in the UK.

• Trade unions and other registered organisations in the UK.

 

Since Elon Musk is a foreign national and primarily conducts business in the US through companies like Tesla and SpaceX, he would not meet these criteria.

 

So you don't figure X or Tesla or Space-X have incorporated in the UK?

 

 

[Will B Good]

5 hours ago, impulse said:

 

So you don't figure X or Tesla or Space-X have incorporated in the UK?

 

 

primarily conducts business in the US through

[Nick Carter icp]

23 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

primarily conducts business in the US through

 

   Space is everywhere though .

His satellites go all over the World , not just above the USA

[Will B Good]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Space is everywhere though .

His satellites go all over the World , not just above the USA

Where the satellites are is totally irrelevant.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Will B Good said:

Where the satellites are is totally irrelevant.

 

   The satellites can drop the money as they are flying over the UK

[mdr224]

Musk is using his money to make the world better

[riclag]

7 hours ago, G_Money said:

Forget Musk.

 

America’s greatest contribution to the UK is Ellen Degenerates.

 

You got her now!  Or is it him?

 

 

 

 

 

Looks like howdy doody !

 

Musk sending over notes of dead presidents would be a improvement vs 

Received boat loads of migrants!

methinks

[SunnyinBangrak]

13 hours ago, RayC said:

 

With any luck, Labour will act on their manifesto commitment before Musk has the opportunity to act on this possibility.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/02/what-are-the-rules-on-uk-political-donations-and-how-might-labour-change-them

 

As for Musk becoming a UK citizen: Is this what right-wingers want? I thought that they wanted to clamp down on immigration?

I think Musk is more interested in acquiring Hawaiian born citizenship, he can probably afford it. Of course, it is beyond the pale to investigate preposterous birth certs by anyone. Totally forbidden.

 He could be President in 2028. The second African-American President. And both from Hawaii. Very cool.

[wavodavo]

Settle down boys.. Elon Musk has got the money  $$$$ to move to the U.K. buy a 500 million pound Castle and buy any company he likes..e.g. British Airways or a bank and then watch the government deny his donation. I don't think so.

[Thingamabob]

19 hours ago, Will B Good said:

Elon Musk, or any foreign national, cannot legally donate $100 million to Nigel Farage or any other UK politician or political party under UK electoral law. Here’s why:

 

UK Laws on Political Donations

 

The UK has strict laws governing political donations to ensure transparency and prevent undue foreign influence.

 

1. Who Can Donate to UK Politicians or Parties?

 

Only the following are permitted to make donations to political parties, candidates, or campaigners in the UK:

• UK citizens or individuals on the electoral register.

• Companies registered and carrying out business in the UK.

• Trade unions and other registered organisations in the UK.

 

Since Elon Musk is a foreign national and primarily conducts business in the US through companies like Tesla and SpaceX, he would not meet these criteria.

 

2. Foreign Donations Are Illegal

 

Section 54 of the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 (PPERA) explicitly prohibits foreign donations to political parties or campaigns. A foreign national, like Musk, cannot make a donation of any amount to:

• A UK political party.

• An individual politician.

• A political campaign or referendum.

 

The purpose of this law is to prevent foreign interference in UK politics.

 

3. Donations to Third-Party Organisations

 

If Musk tried to give the money indirectly—say, through a third-party organisation or a think tank that supports Farage—that organisation would still need to comply with UK laws. If it operates as a political campaigner, it would also be restricted from accepting foreign donations.

 

Penalties for Violating Donation Laws

 

Violating UK donation laws can lead to:

• Fines from the UK Electoral Commission.

• Criminal charges, potentially resulting in imprisonment for those involved.

• Political consequences, including reputational damage for the recipient.

 

Alternative: Non-Political Donations

 

Musk could legally give Nigel Farage a personal gift or donation for non-political purposes (e.g., a business venture or charity) as long as:

• The money is not used for political campaigning.

• Proper tax and financial reporting requirements are followed.

 

 

Musk has several companies registered in the UK who can legally contribute. As an aside. he has a British grandparent. That, combined with his financial status, would easily qualify him for British citizenship should he ever apply.

[Thingamabob]

19 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

As I observed elsewhere, Reform UK/Farage would be very foolish to allow Musk and Trump to get involved.

 

It would kill the movement, which arguably British politics needs desperately, stone dead.

 

Mr Musk seems to think he can buy his way into politics. That may work with Trump, to whom money is central. It would not be well received in the UK, and as @Will B Goodpoints out, would be illegal. That said, the illegality is unlike to concern Musk, he believes that money trumps (see what I have done there - good isn't it?) the laws when it comes to politics!

He would contribute from one of his many registered British sources. Farage has already said he would welcome Musk's support.

[Thingamabob]

19 hours ago, Will B Good said:

Since Elon Musk is a foreign national and primarily conducts business in the US through companies like Tesla and SpaceX, he would not meet these criteria.

Nonsense.

[josephbloggs]

20 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

He would contribute from one of his many registered British sources. Farage has already said he would welcome Musk's support.

Of course he would - he is an amoral grubby little grifter who would accept money from anyone for anything.

[Thingamabob]

15 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Of course he would - he is an amoral grubby little grifter who would accept money from anyone for anything.

5 1/2 feet tall, 150 pounds weight. That indeed makes him quite small. Amoral. grubby and a grifter ? That's a matter of opinion.

[Purdey]

It all seems beside the point if the residents of Clacton, who have hardly seen Farage, don't reelect him.

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Will B Good said:

Companies registered and carrying out business in the UK.

LOL. he could just buy a British company, and hey presto it's legal.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Of course he would - he is an amoral grubby little grifter who would accept money from anyone for anything.

If he is being attacked by such as yourself it probably means he is on the correct path.

If liberals were praising him I would not give him time of day.